"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[LonelyShadow]

Even with all its flaws, I prefer the anime. It felt much more epic, the display of strategy and power was amazing compared to this (even if things like God Kaio-ken completely screwed up the power level scale). The explanation for Vegeta’s defeat in order to let Goku fight Hit in the manga was just sad.

I also found Hit to be much more likeable and unique in the anime.

If the idea of SSG's return was to replace SBG I'll take it; much less confusing. Even if it's nice to see the base forms being used in combat for some time before the imminent transformation.

[Saiyan007]

But the super manga follows the movies which ties in with the Toyotaro Freeza arc.

Where Goku when sparring with Whis saw the silhouette of SSG Goku implying his base form is god level or near it.Yet here Goku goes ssj then He turns into a Super Saiyan God on top of that then into a Super Saiyan Blue

Toriyama already said Goku won't need to be a god again because he already absorbed the power

The manga is just as bad with the scaling

[ekrolo2]

No the explanation of Toriyama reagarding this and SSB makes absolutely sense, evne if he never would ahve used this words. Why shoud Il hype a new blue haired Super Saiyan with god ki if they can still use this red version?

The manga makes no sense

Why even invent Blue at all when he also stated in an interview Vegeta and Goku would focus on their base forms and regular Super Saiyan? How long did that last exactly? Never and not at all?

But the super manga follows the movies which ties in with the Toyotaro Freeza arc.

Where Goku when sparring with Whis saw the silhouette of SSG Goku implying his base form is god level or near it.Yet here Goku goes ssj then He turns into a Super Saiyan God on top of that then into a Super Saiyan Blue

Toriyama already said Goku won't need to be a god again because he already absorbed the power

The manga is just as bad with the scaling

Super's manga follows its own continuity and the F manga, both of which have similar but different versions of the film. And (seriously people) if we're going to get hung up over everything Toriyama says in interviews I better fucking see someone bust his balls over even making Blue a form at all after he said Goku and Vegeta would exclusively focus on Base & SSJ.

[Kishido]

Oh god... The "we got explanation for everything" patrol is coming...

Really now... It makes no sense!

[Kishido]

No the explanation of Toriyama reagarding this and SSB makes absolutely sense, evne if he never would ahve used this words. Why shoud Il hype a new blue haired Super Saiyan with god ki if they can still use this red version?

The manga makes no sense

Why even invent Blue at all when he also stated in an interview Vegeta and Goku would focus on their base forms and regular Super Saiyan? How long did that last exactly? Never and not at all?

Have you read the explaianation of SSGSS? Super Saiyan with god ki... Da end.

[dbzfan7]

No the explanation of Toriyama reagarding this and SSB makes absolutely sense, evne if he never would ahve used this words. Why shoud Il hype a new blue haired Super Saiyan with god ki if they can still use this red version?

The manga makes no sense

Why even invent Blue at all when he also stated in an interview Vegeta and Goku would focus on their base forms and regular Super Saiyan? How long did that last exactly? Never and not at all?

He also said blue was a weak color, and ended up using it anyways. This after he said red was a strong color, hence used for SSJ God.

[HeroR]

Well, it doesn't matter what he said if it wasn't said in the film, anyways. The explanations given outside of a product doesn't have any sense. He could have changed his mind after saying that.

Even in film Beerus said that Goku absorbed Super Saiyan God, which is why his power didn't drop after he lost his god form. So, Toriyama's statement supports what is said in the film that he wrote. And Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan draining that much energy makes little sense both Goku and Vegeta mocked Freeza for not mastering his golden form that drained his power. Even in the manga, Goku and Vegeta used their Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan forms more than in the anime and never had problems, now we're being told it a 1/10 power drain.

[ekrolo2]

No the explanation of Toriyama reagarding this and SSB makes absolutely sense, evne if he never would ahve used this words. Why shoud Il hype a new blue haired Super Saiyan with god ki if they can still use this red version?

The manga makes no sense

Why even invent Blue at all when he also stated in an interview Vegeta and Goku would focus on their base forms and regular Super Saiyan? How long did that last exactly? Never and not at all?

Have you read the explaianation of SSGSS? Super Saiyan with god ki... Da end.

After Toriyama said Goku and Vegeta would focus on base and Super Saiyan. Never, not once did he say anything about God Ki altering his SSJ or any thing of the sort.

So let me speak this bluntly, if you're going to bitch and moan over Toriyama's interviews, fucking bitch about all of them people. Don't pick and choose information from them and the 3 different versions of Super to have good reason to bitch about something. If you're gonna complain, fucking stay consistent about it. If Toyotaro's a bastard for not sticking to an interview Toriyama did, then Toriyama himself is a bastard for inventing a new form after retire ring 2 and 3 so Base and SSJ could get more focus, until they wouldn't anymore cause fuck you, he wants to make another form.

[SansrivaaL]

Sometimes I wish Toriyama would make a Light Novel out of Dragon Ball Super, I want to read his story, not people adding stuffs on his work.

[Saiyan007]

As much as I dislike the chapter it's pretty cool that Goku can tap into the Super Saiyan god form freely always liked the form.

[Xeztin]

Sometimes I wish Toriyama would make a Light Novel out of Dragon Ball Super, I want to read his story, not people adding stuffs on his work.

I'm sure that if it strays to far from his original story he'll intervene. I'd say more than like he gave them free reign over how Hit would be defeated. I'm still trying to figure out if SSG Goku has his skiny frame in the Bog arc of the manga and if SSG Goku in the latest chapter is consistent with that. It's hard to tell! Also whether or not the 30 min time limit still applys.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Sometimes I wish Toriyama would make a Light Novel out of Dragon Ball Super, I want to read his story, not people adding stuffs on his work.

Just publish his notes the same way they did his Resurrection "F" script in Volume "F". I'd pay for them, even if technically an incomplete product, just to know what was from him.

Go back and release the Battle of Gods script too, while they're at it.

[pacz360]

This chapter just creates more problems then there needed to be in super it shouldve just follow the anime and try to make things much more clear than this mess we got at this point we should just treat these two as different continuities to save the trouble.

[Kishido]

No the explanation of Toriyama reagarding this and SSB makes absolutely sense, evne if he never would ahve used this words. Why shoud Il hype a new blue haired Super Saiyan with god ki if they can still use this red version?

The manga makes no sense

Why even invent Blue at all when he also stated in an interview Vegeta and Goku would focus on their base forms and regular Super Saiyan? How long did that last exactly? Never and not at all?

Have you read the explaianation of SSGSS? Super Saiyan with god ki... Da end.

After Toriyama said Goku and Vegeta would focus on base and Super Saiyan. Never, not once did he say anything about God Ki altering his SSJ or any thing of the sort.

So let me speak this bluntly, if you're going to bitch and moan over Toriyama's interviews, fucking bitch about all of them people. Don't pick and choose information from them and the 3 different versions of Super to have good reason to bitch about something. If you're gonna complain, fucking stay consistent about it. If Toyotaro's a bastard for not sticking to an interview Toriyama did, then Toriyama himself is a bastard for inventing a new form after retire ring 2 and 3 so Base and SSJ could get more focus, until they wouldn't anymore cause fuck you, he wants to make another form.

I bitch over the manga not over Toriyama's words... And over the fact that both are so different to each other.

Actually I bitch about the manga and anime being different from each other after all.
Further more it makes no sense storywise to have red and blue forms... No matter what Toriyama or whoever said... I'm basing this on the manga

[batistabus]

Really surprising that the anime staff made up Kaioken Super Saiyan Blue. All things considered, they did a pretty good job with it. That being said...this just feels better than the anime. There were a lot of small details that I didn't really like, but let go because of how much the anime had improved since it started.

Other things I'd like to comment on:

Just because it takes a lot of energy to transform into Super Saiyan Blue, that doesn't mean you lose power at a rapid rate while in the form. Everything we've seen shows us that isn't the case.

Based on the Toriyama/Toyotaro joint interview, it seems pretty clear that the manga is closer to Toriyama's outline than the anime is. I completely agree with Chelentano's reasoning. That doesn't mean that Toyotaro never takes liberties, or that his work is therefore inherently better, although I consistently prefer the manga over the anime.

"I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God."

That may have been Toriyama's idea at the time, but things seem to have played out differently. If Goku was always using God ki, what would be the difference between Super Saiyan (yellow) and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan (blue)? It appears that Goku and Vegeta decide to sparingly - if at all - use God ki while in their base and Super Saiyan forms.

[dbgtFO]

Is SSG Goku skinny in the BoG arc of the manga? if he has his skinny frame like in the anime, something is a miss, because in this chapter of the manga, SSG Goku has his normal frame that he has in Base and SSJB.

That's because Toyotarou is so used to drawing Goku with the skinny frame, that he now has them all with the same skinny frame.

[ekrolo2]

No the explanation of Toriyama reagarding this and SSB makes absolutely sense, evne if he never would ahve used this words. Why shoud Il hype a new blue haired Super Saiyan with god ki if they can still use this red version?

The manga makes no sense

Why even invent Blue at all when he also stated in an interview Vegeta and Goku would focus on their base forms and regular Super Saiyan? How long did that last exactly? Never and not at all?

Have you read the explaianation of SSGSS? Super Saiyan with god ki... Da end.

After Toriyama said Goku and Vegeta would focus on base and Super Saiyan. Never, not once did he say anything about God Ki altering his SSJ or any thing of the sort.

So let me speak this bluntly, if you're going to bitch and moan over Toriyama's interviews, fucking bitch about all of them people. Don't pick and choose information from them and the 3 different versions of Super to have good reason to bitch about something. If you're gonna complain, fucking stay consistent about it. If Toyotaro's a bastard for not sticking to an interview Toriyama did, then Toriyama himself is a bastard for inventing a new form after retire ring 2 and 3 so Base and SSJ could get more focus, until they wouldn't anymore cause fuck you, he wants to make another form.

I bitch over the manga not over Toriyama's words... And over the fact that both are so different to each other.

Actually I bitch about the manga and anime being different from each other after all.
Further more it makes no sense storywise to have red and blue forms... No matter what Toriyama or whoever said... I'm basing this on the manga

Except you blatantly did use Toriyama's words to try and complain about the manga, the words of a man who called blue a weak color then used it to "hype up" his new blue form. The guy who said Goku and Vegeta would focus more on Base and SSJ before inventing said Blue Form as the superior of the two.

There is nothing in the Super Manga itself that makes Red and Blue impossible to exist. No one ever says its temporary, no one ever says "Base/SSJ Goku is as strong as his God form!" in the manga, the only conflicts come in if you try to shoehorn in details or explanations from other versions of events that're incompatible with the manga.

[Kishido]

No the explanation of Toriyama reagarding this and SSB makes absolutely sense, evne if he never would ahve used this words. Why shoud Il hype a new blue haired Super Saiyan with god ki if they can still use this red version?

The manga makes no sense

Why even invent Blue at all when he also stated in an interview Vegeta and Goku would focus on their base forms and regular Super Saiyan? How long did that last exactly? Never and not at all?

Have you read the explaianation of SSGSS? Super Saiyan with god ki... Da end.

After Toriyama said Goku and Vegeta would focus on base and Super Saiyan. Never, not once did he say anything about God Ki altering his SSJ or any thing of the sort.

So let me speak this bluntly, if you're going to bitch and moan over Toriyama's interviews, fucking bitch about all of them people. Don't pick and choose information from them and the 3 different versions of Super to have good reason to bitch about something. If you're gonna complain, fucking stay consistent about it. If Toyotaro's a bastard for not sticking to an interview Toriyama did, then Toriyama himself is a bastard for inventing a new form after retire ring 2 and 3 so Base and SSJ could get more focus, until they wouldn't anymore cause fuck you, he wants to make another form.

I bitch over the manga not over Toriyama's words... And over the fact that both are so different to each other.

Actually I bitch about the manga and anime being different from each other after all.
Further more it makes no sense storywise to have red and blue forms... No matter what Toriyama or whoever said... I'm basing this on the manga

Except you blatantly did use Toriyama's words to try and complain about the manga, the words of a man who called blue a weak color then used it to "hype up" his new blue form. The guy who said Goku and Vegeta would focus more on Base and SSJ before inventing said Blue Form as the superior of the two.

There is nothing in the Super Manga itself that makes Red and Blue impossible to exist. No one ever says its temporary, no one ever says "Base/SSJ Goku is as strong as his God form!" in the manga, the only conflicts come in if you try to shoehorn in details or explanations from other versions of events that're incompatible with the manga.

OK you won

[Neon Z]

But the super manga follows the movies which ties in with the Toyotaro Freeza arc.

Where Goku when sparring with Whis saw the silhouette of SSG Goku implying his base form is god level or near it.Yet here Goku goes ssj then He turns into a Super Saiyan God on top of that then into a Super Saiyan Blue

Toriyama already said Goku won't need to be a god again because he already absorbed the power

The manga is just as bad with the scaling

The end of the original Battle of Gods movie still portrayed SSJ God as a power up above SSJ. Toyotaro likely based this power scaling on that, even though that scene wasn't in the manga (where Goku never went back to base or SSJ during the battle). Still, that power scaling doesn't contradict the manga version of the battle either. It only causes problems with the Super anime or statements from a Toriyama interview that already clashed with an existing movie.

[Chuquita]

Yay ssjg!! That was a great hospital treat! Can't wait to buy the tankoubon.