Your Problem(s) with DragonBall Super

[sintzu]

To enjoy this show requires some outright horrible taste that's for sure.

I wouldn't go that far but they need a new writing team and the basic plots need to be longer and a bit more original.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

The writing is so bad. So fucking bad. Just an all around terrible series that is only tolerated because it bears the Dragonball name. To enjoy this show requires some outright horrible taste that's for sure.

Could you elaborate on why exactly the writing is bad? That single line doesn´t tells us what´s exactly your problem with DBS.

[TheMikado]

People love DBZ. So Super had to be like DBZ, with all the same tropes. That why people complain about so much. Hey guys, wake up: DBZ ENDED.

If expecting it to be at least as good as a 20+ year old show is too much then that alone proves there's a lot wrong with Super.

Expecting a successor to at least live up to what came before it is completely normal and is the slandered for everything else so why doesn't this apply to Super ? because it has Toriyama's name on it ? I'm 100% sure that this would be the most hated DB product if it didn't have his name on it and vice versa, if GT had his name on it, it wouldn't get nearly as much hate as it does.

This man speaks the truth.

[Anime Kitten]

To enjoy this show requires some outright horrible taste that's for sure.

I guess I have horrible taste!

[fadeddreams5]

I'd write an essay if I were to list all my complaints, so I'll say something I don't believe has been said here yet:
I wish Beerus and Whis went the **** away. I swear to Kami, they are shoehorned every-****ing-where. After the BoG arc, Beerus should have gone back to his deep sleep, and Whis should have remained guarding him. Goku and Vegeta shouldn't have needed Whis' training help, as they had access to SSJG, and could have trained on their own to achieve SSJB or whatever.

If it's established that Beerus is asleep and Whis cannot leave his post, even if Bulma offers him ramen, then we could actually have legitimate threats in the series without thinking in the back of our minds, "oh wait, if Beerus and Whis are offered a sundae, they can handle this."

The writing is so bad. So fucking bad. Just an all around terrible series that is only tolerated because it bears the Dragonball name. To enjoy this show requires some outright horrible taste that's for sure.

Could you elaborate on why exactly the writing is bad? That single line doesn´t tells us what´s exactly your problem with DBS.

Really, there's not much to elaborate that hasn't been said already, as far as the writing goes.

[Gyt Kaliba]

People love DBZ. So Super had to be like DBZ, with all the same tropes. That why people complain about so much. Hey guys, wake up: DBZ ENDED.

If expecting it to be at least as good as a 20+ year old show is too much then that alone proves there's a lot wrong with Super.

Expecting a successor to at least live up to what came before it is completely normal and is the slandered for everything else so why doesn't this apply to Super ? because it has Toriyama's name on it ? I'm 100% sure that this would be the most hated DB product if it didn't have his name on it and vice versa, if GT had his name on it, it wouldn't get nearly as much hate as it does.

This man speaks the truth.

The man speaks an opinion. One he is fully entitled to, and one that others are more than free to agree with of course, but an opinion none-the-less.

I also question the logic of a statement like 'to enjoy this series must mean some outright horrible taste'. ...Okay? People have said that about DBZ fans in general. If someone enjoys something, then maybe they just actually enjoy it? Just because some don't, it doesn't mean that others can't enjoy it. I enjoy lots of things that aren't generally liked that well by the main nerd populace.

Super has a ton of problems, but to say that people are only accepting it because of Toriyama's name on it is just ludicrous. That certainly hasn't stopped things like Dragon Ball Minus from catching their share of flack.

[saiyanvegetable]

Negroni

The man speaks an opinion. One he is fully entitled to, and one that others are more than free to agree with of course, but an opinion none-the-less.

I also question the logic of a statement like 'to enjoy this series must mean some outright horrible taste'. ...Okay? People have said that about DBZ fans in general. If someone enjoys something, then maybe they just actually enjoy it? Just because some don't, it doesn't mean that others can't enjoy it. I enjoy lots of things that aren't generally liked that well by the main nerd populace.

Super has a ton of problems, but to say that people are only accepting it because of Toriyama's name on it is just ludicrous. That certainly hasn't stopped things like Dragon Ball Minus from catching their share of flack.

Dbz is like Independence Day. At the end of the day it's a guilty pleasure, not enjoyed by all. It's a simple, charming series that has a wide appeal thanks to it's relatable characters, simple story, and over the top kung fu ki blasting action. It's not Deathnote, but it isn't terribly written. It's not overly complex, but it has it's own mythos and lore. There are plenty of shows I don't like but I can see why people would.

Super on the other hand, is horrible. The writing is 5 year old pandering garbage that erases any sort of character the predecessor spent building. The animation and art is something you see when a studio churns a bunch of smelly shit because they know it'll sell regardless. Because fuck everything, you all damn well know you wouldn't watch this shit if it wasn't for the fact that the characters look so familiar and sport the same spiky hair as it's predecessor. So yes, I do question your taste if you say you enjoy DB Super because from a subjective point of view, the whole thing just fucking sucks. It's not an opinion. From top to bottom the show is a goddamn mess (up until right now - Goku Black) and you'd be lying through your teeth if you said if you didn't notice.

[Anime Kitten]

Pure. Opinion.
And that's all there is to it. You don't know everyone watching it only does because of the name or characters. I'm not trying to change your opinion, just asking you to treat it as one.

[TheMikado]

@saiyanvegetable ^ more truth. Just dropping truth bombs everywhere in here I see.

[dbzfan7]

Then why do you even bother following Super at all? I can understand criticism and being more in the negative, but if there is absolutely no enjoyment you get out of Super, then what's the point in following it? Might as well just abandon it instead of tuning into disappointment. I know I cut my ties with forums when I have absolutely nothing left to enjoy. If you still enjoy Dragon Ball, then maybe stick to the topics you have enjoyment towards.

I hate Sonic and Sonic Boom, and everything they stand for. Yet I don't keep on following it. I abandon it because it's pointless to follow something I have no enjoyment in. If it's cancer to me, then it's best to not bother with something that just isn't meant for me. If there's nothing for you to enjoy about Super, why bother joining in discussions about it? Especially since most contributions I see from you are "Everything sucks". If that's all you can add, then cut ties with Super, and stick to the parts of Dragon Ball you can enjoy.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Dbz is like Independence Day. At the end of the day it's a guilty pleasure, not enjoyed by all. It's a simple, charming series that has a wide appeal thanks to it's relatable characters, simple story, and over the top kung fu ki blasting action. It's not Deathnote, but it isn't terribly written. It's not overly complex, but it has it's own mythos and lore. There are plenty of shows I don't like but I can see why people would.

Super on the other hand, is horrible. The writing is 5 year old pandering garbage that erases any sort of character the predecessor spent building. The animation and art is something you see when a studio churns a bunch of smelly shit because they know it'll sell regardless. Because fuck everything, you all damn well know you wouldn't watch this shit if it wasn't for the fact that the characters look so familiar and sport the same spiky hair as it's predecessor. So yes, I do question your taste if you say you enjoy DB Super because from a subjective point of view, the whole thing just fucking sucks. It's not an opinion. From top to bottom the show is a goddamn mess (up until right now - Goku Black) and you'd be lying through your teeth if you said if you didn't notice.

That's just it though - you don't have to understand. Others are still just as validly allowed to like something whether you understand it or not. Again using myself as an example, I don't see the appeal of True Blood, but if others are enjoying it, then clearly it's doing something right for them. Just because I personally don't like it doesn't mean I'm any more entitled to sit there and moan and groan about others enjoying it though.

So yes, it's very much an opinion. One doesn't have to be blind to the issues the show has to enjoy it. If I can overlook the poor animation in lots of DBZ episodes, the questionable filler in DBZ, and the out-of-character moments present in DBZ, then why can't I do the same for Super? Because I can, and do.

Question my taste all you want, but I'll enjoy what I enjoy, in spite of (or even sometimes because of) it's flaws, as will others.

Then why do you even bother following Super at all? I can understand criticism and being more in the negative, but if there is absolutely no enjoyment you get out of Super, then what's the point in following it? Might as well just abandon it instead of tuning into disappointment. I know I cut my ties with forums when I have absolutely nothing left to enjoy. If you still enjoy Dragon Ball, then maybe stick to the topics you have enjoyment towards.

See, look, you've made me and dbzfan7 agree on a Super topic. Do you realize how hard that is to do?! That's like a sign of the end times or something.

[Anime Kitten]

dbzfan7: TRUTH! That's what I always think when people insult Super. I never say it because I don't want another argument to start.

[dbzfan7]

dbzfan7: TRUTH! That's what I always think when people insult Super. I never say it because I don't want another argument to start.

Well no people can insult Super all they want. I insult Super and question it a lot. But I still find stuff I enjoy. There's still something I can like...except for the F arc....that has all of my hate .

Then why do you even bother following Super at all? I can understand criticism and being more in the negative, but if there is absolutely no enjoyment you get out of Super, then what's the point in following it? Might as well just abandon it instead of tuning into disappointment. I know I cut my ties with forums when I have absolutely nothing left to enjoy. If you still enjoy Dragon Ball, then maybe stick to the topics you have enjoyment towards.

See, look, you've made me and dbzfan7 agree on a Super topic. Do you realize how hard that is to do?! That's like a sign of the end times or something.

Well I disagree that you agree with me. YOU'RE WRONG SOMEHOW!....There....universe restored.

[Anime Kitten]

I dunno how hard it is to get people to agree with me... maybe I just don't try?

Anyway, sorry but I gave the Resurrection 'F' Arc 75/100...

[TheMikado]

I happen to like the characters, and very interested in seeing what happens to some of my favorite characters. I've actually stopped coming to the forums as often, I've stopped walking Super as regularly. I'm enjoying the manga much more and tend to stick to it. So yes Super the anime has lots of problems and issues.

I could make a complete list but I've done it too many times in this forum already. Look there is plenty to enjoy in super if you like that kind of thing but there is plenty that makes it a much technically lesser version of its predecessors.

[sintzu]

Anyway, sorry but I gave the Resurrection 'F' Arc 75/100...

I gave it a 9 and you don't see me apologizing.

Sure it messed up a lot of things but Vegeta got to shine in it so all is forgiven.

[Anime Kitten]

Too bad he didn't kill Frieza...

I'm really glad you actually like it, though!

[Gyt Kaliba]

I dunno how hard it is to get people to agree with me... maybe I just don't try?

Anyway, sorry but I gave the Resurrection 'F' Arc 75/100...

Eh, I wouldn't worry too much about it. That was just me poking some fun at the numerous back-and-forths there have been between dbzfan7 and myself, to try and lighten the mood a bit. We might not always agree, but I'd hardly call us 'foes', so seemed like a safe enough lighter note to go out on with my post.

Don't think I've ever really numerically scored any of the arcs myself. If I did it'd probably have to be just a 'Top Ten' style thing, going from favorite to least favorite or vice versa.

[Anime Kitten]

Well, there's that thread if you decide to numerically rate them.

Now back on topic.

[sintzu]

Too bad he didn't kill Frieza...

At least he got to beat him and unlike the movie Goku was being destroyed during their fight so to see Vegeta be the one to finally get him on his knees after everything he did was great and is hopefully the beginning of things to come.