Araki wrote: No one was supposed to be above the Kaioshin, but Beerus is. No one is supposed to be above Beerus, but Whis is.
How does that make sense when they were introduced together? You're making it sound like that wasn't the case.
And hierarchically, Whis isn't above Beerus.
Regardless of whether you look at it from a point of view of sheer power or deity hierarchy (which in turn is most of the times based on sheer power itself...), my point was that in a relatively extremely short period of time we were introduced in the last few years to a number of characters, not necessarily opponents (Beerus, Whis, Champa, Vados, Zen-ou-sama) that it's hard to fit it into the entire DBZ storyline. When the Kaioshin first appeared they were supposed to be the highest deity in existence, Kaiou-sama wasn't even allowed to meet him, now they communicate just fine. But above that, we learned in recent years that there's actually Hakaishins, and their respective attendants, who are even stronger than them, and if that wasn't enough, there's an entity who oversees all of the Hakaishins and their attendants and EVERYTHING in all 12 universes, having in fact destroyed 6 of the initial ones in an instant just because he got slightly annoyed. Going back to the Majin Buu arc, where we met what were supposed to be the highest deities in existence reigning sovereign and untouched and unchallenged watching over all other deities in terms of hierarchy - the Kaioshin -, now we know that in fact there's a number of beings a lot higher than them BOTH in terms of power and in terms of deity hierarchy, and they were all introduced in a matter of a few episodes. That's all I meant.
Noah wrote:I don't give a f*** about Zeno, I still hate that the lord of all the existence looks like a f****** pokémon, it make this series even more childish than already is, he could have at least have an imposing design, I can only hope for Black or Zamasu owns his smug ass.
Same here. I feel the introduction of Zen-ou-sama as absolutely unnecessary and I believe it was hastily thought of. Someone above Beerus, the Hakaishin, above Whis? Someone who can wipe out EVERYTHING, EVERYONE and ANYTHING in a flash, in all of 12 universes, including whatever and EVERYTHING and EVERYONE they possibly contain in all their dimensions? Including Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, Whis? And on top of that we get presented with a childish-looking thing? Not to mention the introduction with the new "type" of power that I always wished I didn't see in the Dragonball franchise and we see in many other animes, such as absolute power, reality, time and space manipulation, etc. I prefer the old-style method of measuring an individual's strength: by fighting them, getting your shit beat out of you, training to get stronger and stronger and then beating the shit out of them. This is what DBZ is partly about. This unnecessary introduction of this new character begs the question: how the hell is Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, etc., not to mention weaker characters who we previously loved, supposed to stand a chance at beating and overcoming Zen-ou-sama? They'll have to reach that new, unnecessary "type" of absolute power themselves, since the kind of power they have, although absolutely immense, is NOTHING to Zen-ou-sama as he can wipe them out instantly along with ANYTHING and EVERYTHING else. There's no way around it, Zen-ou-sama's introduction to the series f****** me over pretty bad. I don't really give a sh** who eventually overcomes him, if anybody ever will, I could go for Goku, Vegeta, Black, Beerus, Whis, Puar, whatever. This is exactly the kind of power I didn't want ever to see in the franchise. Beerus and the other Hakaishin, the Beerus/Whis duo are (were, to be precise) already more than enough to mean and pose an objective or goal for Goku and Vegeta to attain in terms of power, and they were introduced just years ago. They did a really bad job with them after BoG, they mishandled Beerus and Whis as characters and made them far, FAR too "reachable" in terms of interaction, relationship and power. They go from the strongest entities there ever were in Dragonball to a duo that basically just eat and watch others fight, training Goku and Vegeta and making stupid jokes at each other. Great potential for seriousness and serious character development missed here. Their introduction was great, their handling post-BoG was absolutely catastrophic. After a few episodes we see Hakaishin Beerus already bowing to another entity, and if that wasn't enough, it looks like a five year old doll.
Yet another instance and example of how DBSuper contains fantastic concepts but also has HUGE shortcomings that came to be pretty much the same way GT's shortcomings did. It's only better than GT because, although having gradually become comparable when at first it wasn't, DBSuper does have fantastic concepts, when GT lacks them completely.
