Dragon Ball Super: TV Ratings Discussion Thread

[Bigivel]

I'm afraid you're mistaken. It was detailed here before, but Kai actually managed to decrease sales, or at least, it never boosted any merchandising.

Not being able to boost sales is a big jump from being a flop. Also do you know how Dragon Ball Franchise would do in those years without the anime? And what was the parts involved expecting? We don't know nothing of that, so we shouldn't be guessing. What we have are the numbers it did and of the competition, from that we can see if it is a flop or not.

Here is a little comparison of how Dragon Ball franchise and other strong franchises did during Dragon Ball Kai(and 1 year later):

Bandai Sales (Biggest Sponsor of DB and One Piece franchises) -> Billion Yen
2009 - 15.5(Dragon Ball), 6.3 (OP)
2010 - 11(DB), 22.2 (OP)
2011 - 16.2(DB), 40(OP), <10(Toriko)
--- After Anime ---
2012- 13.7(DB), 42.2(OP), <13.6(Toriko)

Bandai didn't had any problem with 6.3 Billion of One Piece(and in previous years it was doing worse), but it would have with the 11 Billion of DB Kai! Really?

Overall Merchandise -> Billion Yen
2008 - 209.4 (DB), 73.9 (OP), 107.8 (Naruto)
2009(No Data)
2010 - 205.4 (DB), 407.5 (OP), 72.8 (Naruto)
2011 - 78.7 (DB), 727.5 (OP), 65.8 (Naruto)
--- After Anime ---
2012 - 76.7 (DB), 658.9 (OP), 61.4(Naruto), 19.9(Toriko)

If Naruto is highly popular with 61 Billion and is still in TOP 50 Character Merchandise with that, There is no reason that Dragon Ball with 75+ doesn't.

Toei Animation (Domestic and Overseas Licensing + Overseas Film) ->Billion Yen
2009 - 3.1 (DB), 1.1 (OP)
2010 - 2.0 (DB), 4.1(OP)
2011 - 1.3 (DB), 5.8(OP), 0.2 (Toriko)
--- After Anime ---
2012 - 1.1 (DB), 5.3(OP), 0.2(Toriko)

During 1+ Billion Yen of Dragon Ball, it was the 2nd best profitable series of Toei!

If Dragon Ball during Kai was a flop(failing miserably!) than almost every other anime during that time was a bigger flop.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm afraid you're mistaken. It was detailed here before, but Kai actually managed to decrease sales, or at least, it never boosted any merchandising.

Not being able to boost sales is a big jump from being a flop. Also do you know how Dragon Ball Franchise would do in those years without the anime? And what was the parts involved expecting? We don't know nothing of that, so we shouldn't be guessing. What we have are the numbers it did and of the competition, from that we can see if it is a flop or not.

Here is a little comparison of how Dragon Ball franchise and other strong franchises did during Dragon Ball Kai(and 1 year later):

Bandai Sales (Biggest Sponsor of DB and One Piece franchises) -> Billion Yen
2009 - 15.5(Dragon Ball), 6.3 (OP)
2010 - 11(DB), 22.2 (OP)
2011 - 16.2(DB), 40(OP), <10(Toriko)
--- After Anime ---
2012- 13.7(DB), 42.2(OP), <13.6(Toriko)

Bandai didn't had any problem with 6.3 Billion of One Piece(and in previous years it was doing worse), but it would have with the 11 Billion of DB Kai! Really?

Overall Merchandise -> Billion Yen
2008 - 209.4 (DB), 73.9 (OP), 107.8 (Naruto)
2009(No Data)
2010 - 205.4 (DB), 407.5 (OP), 72.8 (Naruto)
2011 - 78.7 (DB), 727.5 (OP), 65.8 (Naruto)
--- After Anime ---
2012 - 76.7 (DB), 658.9 (OP), 61.4(Naruto), 19.9(Toriko)

If Naruto is highly popular with 61 Billion and is still in TOP 50 Character Merchandise with that, There is no reason that Dragon Ball with 75+ doesn't.

Toei Animation (Domestic and Overseas Licensing + Overseas Film) ->Billion Yen
2009 - 3.1 (DB), 1.1 (OP)
2010 - 2.0 (DB), 4.1(OP)
2011 - 1.3 (DB), 5.8(OP), 0.2 (Toriko)
--- After Anime ---
2012 - 1.1 (DB), 5.3(OP), 0.2(Toriko)

During 1+ Billion Yen of Dragon Ball, it was the 2nd best profitable series of Toei!

If Dragon Ball during Kai was a flop(failing miserably!) than almost every other anime during that time was a bigger flop.

I don't think you have the right numbers.

[Bigivel]

I'm afraid you're mistaken. It was detailed here before, but Kai actually managed to decrease sales, or at least, it never boosted any merchandising.

Not being able to boost sales is a big jump from being a flop. Also do you know how Dragon Ball Franchise would do in those years without the anime? And what was the parts involved expecting? We don't know nothing of that, so we shouldn't be guessing. What we have are the numbers it did and of the competition, from that we can see if it is a flop or not.

Here is a little comparison of how Dragon Ball franchise and other strong franchises did during Dragon Ball Kai(and 1 year later):

Bandai Sales (Biggest Sponsor of DB and One Piece franchises) -> Billion Yen
2009 - 15.5(Dragon Ball), 6.3 (OP)
2010 - 11(DB), 22.2 (OP)
2011 - 16.2(DB), 40(OP), <10(Toriko)
--- After Anime ---
2012- 13.7(DB), 42.2(OP), <13.6(Toriko)

Bandai didn't had any problem with 6.3 Billion of One Piece(and in previous years it was doing worse), but it would have with the 11 Billion of DB Kai! Really?

Overall Merchandise -> Billion Yen
2008 - 209.4 (DB), 73.9 (OP), 107.8 (Naruto)
2009(No Data)
2010 - 205.4 (DB), 407.5 (OP), 72.8 (Naruto)
2011 - 78.7 (DB), 727.5 (OP), 65.8 (Naruto)
--- After Anime ---
2012 - 76.7 (DB), 658.9 (OP), 61.4(Naruto), 19.9(Toriko)

If Naruto is highly popular with 61 Billion and is still in TOP 50 Character Merchandise with that, There is no reason that Dragon Ball with 75+ doesn't.

Toei Animation (Domestic and Overseas Licensing + Overseas Film) ->Billion Yen
2009 - 3.1 (DB), 1.1 (OP)
2010 - 2.0 (DB), 4.1(OP)
2011 - 1.3 (DB), 5.8(OP), 0.2 (Toriko)
--- After Anime ---
2012 - 1.1 (DB), 5.3(OP), 0.2(Toriko)

During 1+ Billion Yen of Dragon Ball, it was the 2nd best profitable series of Toei!

If Dragon Ball during Kai was a flop(failing miserably!) than almost every other anime during that time was a bigger flop.

I don't think you have the right numbers.

Japanese companies report their sales from the beginning of April of a given year to the end of March of the following. This makes that 2010 reported sales are in fact 9 months in 2009 and 3 in 2010. So it should be count 2009. 1 Year before.

2009(2010 reported) -> 12.5(Group Total) + 3.3(Toys and Hobby Business) = 15.8(Indeed mistaked it for 15.5)
2010(2011 reported) -> 8.3(Group Total) + 2.7(Toys and Hobby Business) = 11
2011(2012 reported) -> 11.8(Group Total) + 4.4(Toys and Hobby Business) = 16.2
2012(2013 reported) -> 8.5(Expected) -> 13.7(Done)

[Lord Beerus]

Overall Merchandise -> Billion Yen
2008 - 209.4 (DB), 73.9 (OP), 107.8 (Naruto)
2009(No Data)
2010 - 205.4 (DB), 407.5 (OP), 72.8 (Naruto)
2011 - 78.7 (DB), 727.5 (OP), 65.8 (Naruto)
--- After Anime ---
2012 - 76.7 (DB), 658.9 (OP), 61.4(Naruto), 19.9(Toriko)

I have to question where you got those figures from or what numbers you used to get those totals.

[Bigivel]

Overall Merchandise -> Billion Yen
2008 - 209.4 (DB), 73.9 (OP), 107.8 (Naruto)
2009(No Data)
2010 - 205.4 (DB), 407.5 (OP), 72.8 (Naruto)
2011 - 78.7 (DB), 727.5 (OP), 65.8 (Naruto)
--- After Anime ---
2012 - 76.7 (DB), 658.9 (OP), 61.4(Naruto), 19.9(Toriko)

I have to question where you got those figures from or what numbers you used to get those totals.

Charabiz, the company that makes the overall character merchandise Top 100 results every year. Here is the site with results from 1999 to 2012(Some years are missing, and some years doesn't show all the 100 series! Ah, and it is in Japanese and Chinese, though some series name is universally in english, like One Piece. Dragon Ball is -> ドラゴンボール): http://tieba.baidu.com/photo/p?kw=%E6%B ... 9bbb14/pn1

This site here has the Top 10 of 2013 and 2014 at the end(Unfortunately only has percentage of all the market and not the total sales): http://hanabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/mas ... 4226/188-n

2013
1 Anpanman 7.61%
2 Mickey Mouse 6.32%
3 Hello Kitty 5.60%
4 Pokemon 5.54%
5 Precure 3.93%
6 ONE PIECE 3.87%
7 Rilakkuma 3.06%
8 Winnie-the-Pooh 2.93%
9 Snoopy 2.53%
10 Super Mario Brothers 2.36%

2014
1 Youkai Watch 9.76%
2 Mickey Mouse 6.53%
3 Anpanman 6.38%
4 Hello Kitty 5.11%
5 Pokemon 4.25%
6 ONE PIECE 2.88%
7 Rilakkuma 2.78%
8 Snoopy 2.71%
9 Frozen 2.70%
10 Precure 2.69%

[alakazam^]

Why did Kai get canceled, then?

[Sodhi]

Live ratings for the week of 19-26 June are here:
Sazae-San - 12.8
Chibi Maruko-chan: 8.7
Crayon Shin-chan: 8.5
Doraemon TV Asahi: 7.4
one piece: 7.4
Dragon Ball Super(Episode #48): 6.1
Detective Conan: 5.9
Disney Sunday Sofia the First: 3.7
Ace Attorney: 3.4
GO! GO! Chuggington : 3.4


Back to normal I guess.

[Sonicjamareiz]

Its a bit lower then before I expected as much I only care about DBS current top 10 status which is always good.

[irreality]

Live ratings for the week of 19-26 June are here:
Sazae-San - 12.8
Chibi Maruko-chan: 8.7
Crayon Shin-chan: 8.5
Doraemon TV Asahi: 7.4
one piece: 7.4
Dragon Ball Super(Episode #48): 6.1
Detective Conan: 5.9
Disney Sunday Sofia the First: 3.7
Ace Attorney: 3.4
GO! GO! Chuggington : 3.4


Back to normal I guess.

Not normal -- we are still above detective conan -- this is only the second episode that has accomplished that.

[Sodhi]

Live ratings for the week of 19-26 June are here:
Sazae-San - 12.8
Chibi Maruko-chan: 8.7
Crayon Shin-chan: 8.5
Doraemon TV Asahi: 7.4
one piece: 7.4
Dragon Ball Super(Episode #48): 6.1
Detective Conan: 5.9
Disney Sunday Sofia the First: 3.7
Ace Attorney: 3.4
GO! GO! Chuggington : 3.4


Back to normal I guess.

Not normal -- we are still above detective conan -- this is only the second episode that has accomplished that.

I think its normal for us, but not for Conan. That is the lowest rating I have seen for Conan in a while.

[Konig]

Live ratings for the week of 19-26 June are here:
Sazae-San - 12.8
Chibi Maruko-chan: 8.7
Crayon Shin-chan: 8.5
Doraemon TV Asahi: 7.4
one piece: 7.4
Dragon Ball Super(Episode #48): 6.1
Detective Conan: 5.9
Disney Sunday Sofia the First: 3.7
Ace Attorney: 3.4
GO! GO! Chuggington : 3.4


Back to normal I guess.

Damn. I knew this episode would have much lower rating than 47, but I believed it would still be around the 7.0 mark (a little less or more). 6.1 is a good rating, though.

Furthermore, One Piece got pretty meh ratings this week, and when OP had such ratings in the past (around the 7.5 mark), Super usually had ratings ranging from 5.0 to 5.5. So, it's a clear growth for Super, nonetheless.

[Hit!!]

Well, on the positive side, during the ROF arc a 6.1 rating was considered pretty high compared to what we were getting. The fact that we currently see 6.1 as low, is a sign of progress.

There was a time where 4.1-5.5 was the norm. Thank god those retellings ended.

[Bigivel]

Why did Kai get canceled, then?

Same reason why Super is planned for 2 years(100 episodes placeholder), and why almost every, if not really every, extension(including DB GT) and every remake from Toei until now gets around 1 and 2 years only! Is basically the way Toei Animation has been operating since the beginning of the company. Almost certainly is to give a chance to other titles. Though if Dragon Ball franchise continues to be as popular as One Piece, during DB Super running, is possible it will turn into an exception and run for longer.

[HeroR]

Well, on the positive side, during the ROF arc a 6.1 rating was considered pretty high compared to what we were getting. The fact that we currently see 6.1 as low, is a sign of progress.

There was a time where 4.1-5.5 was the norm. Thank god those retellings ended.

But even with those 4.1-5.5, Super was still 6 and 7 in the rankings with 9 being the lowest. So even with the increased numbers, the ranking themselves are about the same.

[Lord Beerus]

Live ratings for the week of 19-26 June are here:
Sazae-San - 12.8
Chibi Maruko-chan: 8.7
Crayon Shin-chan: 8.5
Doraemon TV Asahi: 7.4
one piece: 7.4
Dragon Ball Super(Episode #48): 6.1
Detective Conan: 5.9
Disney Sunday Sofia the First: 3.7
Ace Attorney: 3.4
GO! GO! Chuggington : 3.4


Back to normal I guess.

Woof. Quite a drop from last week. Back to normal, I guess. But what the hell happened to Detective Conan?

Overall Merchandise -> Billion Yen
2008 - 209.4 (DB), 73.9 (OP), 107.8 (Naruto)
2009(No Data)
2010 - 205.4 (DB), 407.5 (OP), 72.8 (Naruto)
2011 - 78.7 (DB), 727.5 (OP), 65.8 (Naruto)
--- After Anime ---
2012 - 76.7 (DB), 658.9 (OP), 61.4(Naruto), 19.9(Toriko)

I have to question where you got those figures from or what numbers you used to get those totals.

Charabiz, the company that makes the overall character merchandise Top 100 results every year. Here is the site with results from 1999 to 2012(Some years are missing, and some years doesn't show all the 100 series! Ah, and it is in Japanese and Chinese, though some series name is universally in english, like One Piece. Dragon Ball is -> ドラゴンボール): http://tieba.baidu.com/photo/p?kw=%E6%B ... 9bbb14/pn1

I honestly don't believe any of those numbers, especially what Dragon Ball pulled in. Those numbers goes directly against the overall merchandise sale figures and total revenue that Bandai Namco reported for those years. I mean, Dragon Ball making 205 Billion Yen ($1,960,943,900) in 2010 and One Piece making 727 Billion Yen ($6,954,176,660) in 2011? No, I don't buy that for a second. Dragon Ball and One Piece may be big in Japan, but no way in hell are they that big. Because if they are, I would love to see the numbers that Gundam pulled in for those years.

[Bigivel]

Overall Merchandise -> Billion Yen
2008 - 209.4 (DB), 73.9 (OP), 107.8 (Naruto)
2009(No Data)
2010 - 205.4 (DB), 407.5 (OP), 72.8 (Naruto)
2011 - 78.7 (DB), 727.5 (OP), 65.8 (Naruto)
--- After Anime ---
2012 - 76.7 (DB), 658.9 (OP), 61.4(Naruto), 19.9(Toriko)

I honestly don't believe any of those numbers, especially what Dragon Ball pulled in. Those numbers goes directly against the overall merchandise sale figures and total revenue that Bandai Namco reported for those years. I mean, Dragon Ball making 205 Billion Yen ($1,960,943,900) in 2010 and One Piece making 727 Billion Yen ($6,954,176,660) in 2011? No, I don't buy that for a second. Dragon Ball and One Piece may be big in Japan, but no way in hell are they that big. Because if they are, I would love to see the numbers that Gundam pulled in for those years.

Bandai Namco is just the biggest sponsor and licensor of Toei, specially One Piece and Dragon Ball. Though, not only does Toei himself sells products of those franchises, do you know the One Piece stores? they are exclusively Toei's! But there are a innumerable number of other companies(from micro to huge ones) that license products of those series. So the overall merchandise is a lot bigger than just what Bandai Namco sells.

To note, is important to see that opposite to Financial Report of companies, that are made from April to March(of next year), the Charabiz Top 100 is of the entire year(Possible the same span of time of Viz manga sales, from 2nd half of November to 1st half of next year November). So the dates aren't the same for both things.

One Piece is huge in japan, and certainly Dragon Ball also is. Read this: https://ithinkincomics.net/2012/07/04/o ... y-of-life/

Also, Charabiz is a big and trustworthy company that targets the companies themselves, that buy the yearly book(Charabiz Data) to see how the state of the industry is doing(The most expensive version of their book costs 4,784 dollars, and without taxes). Charabiz is basically the same as Oricon, but Merchandise. Here is their site: https://www.charabiz.com/

Gundam Sales are this(I will add the Precure Number as fanservice ):

Gundam in Japanese -> 機動戦士ガンダム
Precure in Japanese -> プリキュア

2008 -> 317.2(Gundam), 499(Precure)
2009(No Data)
2010 -> 391.3(Gundam), 766.5(Precure)
2011 -> 353.3(Gundam), 631.2(Precure)
--- After Dragon Ball Kai anime ---
2012 -> 335.9(Gundam), 635.1(Precure)

Live ratings for the week of 19-26 June are here:
Sazae-San - 12.8
Chibi Maruko-chan: 8.7
Crayon Shin-chan: 8.5
Doraemon TV Asahi: 7.4
one piece: 7.4
Dragon Ball Super(Episode #48): 6.1
Detective Conan: 5.9
Disney Sunday Sofia the First: 3.7
Ace Attorney: 3.4
GO! GO! Chuggington : 3.4


Back to normal I guess.

It got really down from last week, but it was to be expected that it would have a decline, now is to expect that gets an increase next episodes. Is good that it surpassed Detective Conan and got in 6th position.
Precure didn't air, or got down from the top 10?

[dbs fanboy]

Damn!!!!! well it's still not bad. And this episode was great, so maybe the rating could be higher next week?, idk

[Lord Beerus]

Overall Merchandise -> Billion Yen
2008 - 209.4 (DB), 73.9 (OP), 107.8 (Naruto)
2009(No Data)
2010 - 205.4 (DB), 407.5 (OP), 72.8 (Naruto)
2011 - 78.7 (DB), 727.5 (OP), 65.8 (Naruto)
--- After Anime ---
2012 - 76.7 (DB), 658.9 (OP), 61.4(Naruto), 19.9(Toriko)

I honestly don't believe any of those numbers, especially what Dragon Ball pulled in. Those numbers goes directly against the overall merchandise sale figures and total revenue that Bandai Namco reported for those years. I mean, Dragon Ball making 205 Billion Yen ($1,960,943,900) in 2010 and One Piece making 727 Billion Yen ($6,954,176,660) in 2011? No, I don't buy that for a second. Dragon Ball and One Piece may be big in Japan, but no way in hell are they that big. Because if they are, I would love to see the numbers that Gundam pulled in for those years.

Bandai Namco is just the biggest sponsor and licensor of Toei, specially One Piece and Dragon Ball. Though, not only does Toei himself sells products of those franchises, do you know the One Piece stores? they are exclusively Toei's! But there are a innumerable number of other companies(from micro to huge ones) that license products of those series. So the overall merchandise is a lot bigger than just what Bandai Namco sells.

To note, is important to see that opposite to Financial Report of companies, that are made from April to March(of next year), the Charabiz Top 100 is of the entire year(Possible the same span of time of Viz manga sales, from 2nd half of November to 1st half of next year November). So the dates aren't the same for both things.

One Piece is huge in japan, and certainly Dragon Ball also is. Read this: https://ithinkincomics.net/2012/07/04/o ... y-of-life/

Also, Charabiz is a big and trustworthy company that targets the companies themselves, that buy the yearly book(Charabiz Data) to see how the state of the industry is doing(The most expensive version of their book costs 4,784 dollars, and without taxes). Charabiz is basically the same as Oricon, but Merchandise. Here is their site: https://www.charabiz.com/

Gundam Sales are this(I will add the Precure Number as fanservice ):

Gundam in Japanese -> 機動戦士ガンダム
Precure in Japanese -> プリキュア

2008 -> 317.2(Gundam), 499(Precure)
2009(No Data)
2010 -> 391.3(Gundam), 766.5(Precure)
2011 -> 353.3(Gundam), 631.2(Precure)
--- After Dragon Ball Kai anime ---
2012 -> 335.9(Gundam), 635.1(Precure)

Precure making nearly double the amount of overall merchandise sale figures than Gundam? Now I know for sure those numbers are inaccurate or just made up. Gundam in the No.1 merch puller in all of Japan by a wide margin and has been so for decades. Gundam is a cultural icon in Japan, for crying out loud. I mean, Precure making more than $7 billion dollars in profit than 2010? Bullshit. Not even Marvel can pull in those numbers.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

I don't think you quite get the situation here Beerus.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

I don't think you quite get the situation here Beerus.

Care to elaborate on it?