Dragon Ball Super: TV Ratings Discussion Thread

[Bigivel]

Precure making nearly double the amount of overall merchandise sale figures than Gundam? Now I know for sure those numbers are inaccurate or just made up. Gundam in the No.1 merch puller in all of Japan by a wide margin and has been so for decades. Gundam is a cultural icon in Japan, for crying out loud. I mean, Precure making more than $7 billion dollars in profit than 2010? Bullshit. Not even Marvel can pull in those numbers.

You're totally in denial! There are a ton of other franchises that do better than Gundam in Japan! You have Hello Kitty, you have Anpanman, you have Pokemon, you have Mickey Mouse, and others.

You know that Precure is the number 1 franchise for girls in japan right? Basically every girl loves it. Even Oda daughters.

Gundam is obviously a big franchise, and a very old one, so it really has an enormous cultural impact, but you're naive if you think it is the No.1 merch puller in all of Japan for decades.

In fact I give you the site of the official data gathering company, and you argue the value with a wikipedia that only talks of Bandai numbers.

Remember that the Merchandise numbers, isn't how much a company earns for a given franchise, is not about how much Marvel earns with let's say Avengers, with their sales + licenses royalties. But what the avengers franchise as a all earns(sales of marvel + the entirety of the licensee money earned).
Now I can have made a mistake translating the numbers, Japan indeed uses different way of counting this, though it doesn't change the fact that Gundam isn't the best franchise and that Precure is above it, by almost double. I'm gonna look to see if indeed it was my mistake.

So in 2011 it was confirmed that the merchandise industry achieved 1.6 trillion yen earning(1,600,000,000,000 yen)s: Here. One Piece made 4.53% of the entire industry so (72,480,000,000 yen). So indeed I increased by 10 every number that I placed since now. Seems that they show by hundred of Million and not Billion. I will change the results in all my previous posts(Something that I now noticed is not possible ).

Overall Merchandise -> Billion Yen
2008 - 20.94 (DB), 7.39 (OP), 10.78 (Naruto)
2009(No Data)
2010 - 20.54 (DB), 40.75 (OP), 7.28 (Naruto)
2011 - 7.87 (DB), 72.75 (OP), 6.58 (Naruto)
--- After Anime ---
2012 - 7.67 (DB), 65.89 (OP), 61.4(Naruto), 1.99(Toriko)

About Marvel Merchandise. Doesn't Marvel right now belongs to Disney? Global License! that is the company that sees worldwide license companies earnings, recorded for 2015 Disney in first place with 52.7 Billion dollars. I don't know what portion of that money came from Marvel, but at least 7 Billion seems plausible.
Pokemon Company is in 29 with 2.1 Billion dollars.
Toei Animation is in 89th place with 300 Million dollars.
Link here

[alakazam^]

Why did Kai get canceled, then?

Same reason why Super is planned for 2 years(100 episodes placeholder), and why almost every, if not really every, extension(including DB GT) and every remake from Toei until now gets around 1 and 2 years only! Is basically the way Toei Animation has been operating since the beginning of the company. Almost certainly is to give a chance to other titles. Though if Dragon Ball franchise continues to be as popular as One Piece, during DB Super running, is possible it will turn into an exception and run for longer.

I don't think this makes sense. Boo is part of the main story so why would they stop at Cell and require Funimation's money to continue it if they didn't want to can the series, especially considering it was only intended to air abroad?

[Bigivel]

Why did Kai get canceled, then?

Same reason why Super is planned for 2 years(100 episodes placeholder), and why almost every, if not really every, extension(including DB GT) and every remake from Toei until now gets around 1 and 2 years only! Is basically the way Toei Animation has been operating since the beginning of the company. Almost certainly is to give a chance to other titles. Though if Dragon Ball franchise continues to be as popular as One Piece, during DB Super running, is possible it will turn into an exception and run for longer.

I don't think this makes sense. Boo is part of the main story so why would they stop at Cell and require Funimation's money to continue it if they didn't want to can the series, especially considering it was only intended to air abroad?

Yep, is part of the main story, but like I said it has nothing to do with it being part or not. They when do remakes normally, or always, just do 1-2 years of it. Dr. Slump also had 5 years of content, and in the remake they only made 1.5 years of episodes.
Toei animation never said anything about it being only intended to air abroad! In fact in their IR they explicitly say that the return is to renew their old library, something that they do in a long time, and most popular series get a remake around every 10 or 20 years.

How it was only intended to air abroad, when both Kai remakes start airing in Japan 1 year before going abroad? It seems like it was a normal license deal to me. Also where it was said such a thing?

Here is Toei Animation IR presentation when they decided to do Dragon Ball Kai: Here
Here is Toei Animation IR presentation when they got the US license: Here

Everything indicates that the series was done the normal way. For Japan and then later abroad.

[Lord Beerus]

So in 2011 it was confirmed that the merchandise industry achieved 1.6 trillion yen earning(1,600,000,000,000 yen)s: Here. One Piece made 4.53% of the entire industry so (72,480,000,000 yen). So indeed I increased by 10 every number that I placed since now. Seems that they show by hundred of Million and not Billion. I will change the results in all my previous posts(Something that I now noticed is not possible ).

Overall Merchandise -> Billion Yen
2008 - 20.94 (DB), 7.39 (OP), 10.78 (Naruto)
2009(No Data)
2010 - 20.54 (DB), 40.75 (OP), 7.28 (Naruto)
2011 - 7.87 (DB), 72.75 (OP), 6.58 (Naruto)
--- After Anime ---
2012 - 7.67 (DB), 65.89 (OP), 61.4(Naruto), 1.99(Toriko)

I knew something was wrong with those numbers. I'm kinda shocked that Anpanman is so popular, but to be fair, that was five years ago, it would be interesting to what the figures are for 2015/16. Also, where is stated that One Piece made 4.53% of the entire industry? Or did you calculate that?

About Marvel Merchandise. Doesn't Marvel right now belongs to Disney? Global License! that is the company that sees worldwide license companies earnings, recorded for 2015 Disney in first place with 52.7 Billion dollars. I don't know what portion of that money came from Marvel, but at least 7 Billion seems plausible.
Pokemon Company is in 29 with 2.1 Billion dollars.
Toei Animation is in 89th place with 300 Million dollars.
Link here

To be fair, the Pokemon games sell by the truckload and make a crap load of money. But given how big Pokemon is, I'm not surprised it's worth/made that much. So I very much stand corrected on Gundam being the biggest merch puller in Japan.

[Bigivel]

So in 2011 it was confirmed that the merchandise industry achieved 1.6 trillion yen earning(1,600,000,000,000 yen)s: Here. One Piece made 4.53% of the entire industry so (72,480,000,000 yen). So indeed I increased by 10 every number that I placed since now. Seems that they show by hundred of Million and not Billion. I will change the results in all my previous posts(Something that I now noticed is not possible ).

Overall Merchandise -> Billion Yen
2008 - 20.94 (DB), 7.39 (OP), 10.78 (Naruto)
2009(No Data)
2010 - 20.54 (DB), 40.75 (OP), 7.28 (Naruto)
2011 - 7.87 (DB), 72.75 (OP), 6.58 (Naruto)
--- After Anime ---
2012 - 7.67 (DB), 65.89 (OP), 61.4(Naruto), 1.99(Toriko)

I knew something was wrong with those numbers. I'm kinda shocked that Anpanman is so popular, but to be fair, that was five years ago, it would be interesting to what the figures are for 2015/16. Also, where is stated that One Piece made 4.53% of the entire industry? Or did you calculate that?

About Marvel Merchandise. Doesn't Marvel right now belongs to Disney? Global License! that is the company that sees worldwide license companies earnings, recorded for 2015 Disney in first place with 52.7 Billion dollars. I don't know what portion of that money came from Marvel, but at least 7 Billion seems plausible.
Pokemon Company is in 29 with 2.1 Billion dollars.
Toei Animation is in 89th place with 300 Million dollars.
Link here

To be fair, the Pokemon games sell by the truckload and make a crap load of money. But given how big Pokemon is, I'm not surprised it's worth/made that much. So I very much stand corrected on Gundam being the biggest merch puller in Japan.

We don't have the exact numbers but we have the percentage of the Top 10 titles from 2013 and 2014, so just 2 years ago(I had already posted them):

2013
1 Anpanman 7.61%
2 Mickey Mouse 6.32%
3 Hello Kitty 5.60%
4 Pokemon 5.54%
5 Precure 3.93%
6 ONE PIECE 3.87%
7 Rilakkuma 3.06%
8 Winnie-the-Pooh 2.93%
9 Snoopy 2.53%
10 Super Mario Brothers 2.36%

2014
1 Youkai Watch 9.76%
2 Mickey Mouse 6.53%
3 Anpanman 6.38%
4 Hello Kitty 5.11%
5 Pokemon 4.25%
6 ONE PIECE 2.88%
7 Rilakkuma 2.78%
8 Snoopy 2.71%
9 Frozen 2.70%
10 Precure 2.69%

Anpanman is like that for a long time and is still going strong. In 2015 Anpanman received its first oversea business and with that a press release where this is said:

Adapted from a popular children’s picture book, “ANPANMAN” is a TV
animation series that has risen to unparalleled fame and has become a franchise that boasts a total
market size of USD 1 billion.In Japan, every household with a preschool child owns at least one
ANPANMAN product.

Link: http://www.tms-e.co.jp/english/pdf/20150727anpanman.pdf

@alakazam^ The 2nd file I linked from Toei Presentation is corrupted, unfortunately Toei animation doesn't allow to directly link the file, so here is the page where you can find the file(Is the last file from 2009): http://corp.toei-anim.co.jp/en/ir/mater ... php?y=2010

[Lord Beerus]

Okay, I just double checked the numbers Bandai Namco had for One Piece and Dragon Ball and something still doesn't add up. As you stated, you got the numbers wrong and the overall merchandise sales recorded by CharaBiz Data is by the hundred of million of Yen, and not hundreds of billion of Yen. If that is the case, then the overall merchandise sales recorded by CharaBiz Data is less than what Bandai Namco reported. For example, in 2011 according to CharaBiz Data, One Piece's total is 72.75 hundred million yen, which is basically 7.275 billion yen. And yet, Bandai Namco recorded merchandise sales of 15.4 billion yen for the fiscal year of 2011. And in the very next year, One Piece had supposedly generated 65.89 hundred million yen (6.589 billion yen), but Bandai Namco have One Piece making 11.8 billion yen in the first half of the 2012 fiscal year and making a grand total of 28.8 billion yen for the full 2012 fiscal year. It's a similar case with Dragon Ball, as the numbers Bandai Namco have are higher then the overall merchandise sale totals that CharaBiz Data have. Am I misunderstanding things again? Because it seems as though CharaBiz Data have gotten the numbers wrong.

[Bigivel]

Okay, I just double checked the numbers Bandai Namco had for One Piece and Dragon Ball and something still doesn't add up. As you stated, you got the numbers wrong and the overall merchandise sales recorded by CharaBiz Data is by the hundred of million of Yen, and not hundreds of billion of Yen. If that is the case, then the overall merchandise sales recorded by CharaBiz Data is less than what Bandai Namco reported. For example, in 2011 according to CharaBiz Data, One Piece's total is 72.75 hundred million yen, which is basically 7.275 billion yen. And yet, Bandai Namco recorded merchandise sales of 15.4 billion yen for the fiscal year of 2011. And in the very next year, One Piece had supposedly generated 65.89 hundred million yen (6.589 billion yen), but Bandai Namco have One Piece making 11.8 billion yen in the first half of the 2012 fiscal year and making a grand total of 28.8 billion yen for the full 2012 fiscal year. It's a similar case with Dragon Ball, as the numbers Bandai Namco have are higher then the overall merchandise sale totals that CharaBiz Data have. Am I misunderstanding things again? Because it seems as though CharaBiz Data have gotten the numbers wrong.

Let's see:

Nope, by 2011 One Piece isn't 72.75 hundred million yen, but 727.5 hundred million yen. So 72.75 Billion yen(In my correction I transformed the actual number to the Billion already).

(I'm assuming the merchandise in Bandai is just the Toys and Hobby Business)
So we have
(One Piece)
2011: 72.75(Total Merchandise) and 11.2(Bandai Namco).
2012: 65.89(Total Merchandise) and 8.3(Bandai Namco).

(Dragon Ball)
2011: 7.87(Total Merchandise) and 4.4(Bandai Namco)
2012: 7.67(Total Merchandise) and 4.8(Bandai Namco)

It seems to not have any problem.

Is important also to notice:

- The reported dates of Charabiz is not the same as Bandai Namco. Charabiz is a "product report" while Bandai Namco is "Public Financial Report". Public Financial Reports, in Japan, are forced to be made between Beginning of April and Ending of March of the following year. Product reports have no such limitations, I took a look at the CharaBiz Data and it seems that it data ended in May of the following year(So June to May), though I'm not sure if that is the date the data is collected or just the release of the book.

- While Bandai Namco is an exact report of data, or should be(Normally when it isn't can be considered fraud and that can get jail), Charabiz is just a collection of data done by the company, is impossible for Charabiz to go to every seller of merchandise of every franchise and see the exact numbers they made in the given period of time. Just like Oricon, they probably just focus in a sphere of interest that shows with good level of accuracy what each franchise is doing.

Still it seems like Charabiz is always able to show bigger numbers than Bandai Namco. Well they probably also get data from Bandai + other companies, so is almost impossible to get a shorter value.

[alakazam^]

Yep, is part of the main story, but like I said it has nothing to do with it being part or not. They when do remakes normally, or always, just do 1-2 years of it. Dr. Slump also had 5 years of content, and in the remake they only made 1.5 years of episodes.
Toei animation never said anything about it being only intended to air abroad! In fact in their IR they explicitly say that the return is to renew their old library, something that they do in a long time, and most popular series get a remake around every 10 or 20 years.

How it was only intended to air abroad, when both Kai remakes start airing in Japan 1 year before going abroad? It seems like it was a normal license deal to me. Also where it was said such a thing?

Here is Toei Animation IR presentation when they decided to do Dragon Ball Kai: Here
Here is Toei Animation IR presentation when they got the US license: Here

Everything indicates that the series was done the normal way. For Japan and then later abroad.

Mayumi Tanaka tweeted that Boo Kai wasn't gonna air in Japan. Also, Boo Kai has the Japanese version and the "Last Chapters (was it?)" version, which have different total episode numbers, sometimes different score and different opening and endings. Seeing that the Japanese version (that aired first) had awkward edits in the first episodes but then would correspond 1:1 to the Last Chapters version, it's possible to see the Japanese version was an afterthought to fill Toriko's timeslot.

[Bigivel]

Yep, is part of the main story, but like I said it has nothing to do with it being part or not. They when do remakes normally, or always, just do 1-2 years of it. Dr. Slump also had 5 years of content, and in the remake they only made 1.5 years of episodes.
Toei animation never said anything about it being only intended to air abroad! In fact in their IR they explicitly say that the return is to renew their old library, something that they do in a long time, and most popular series get a remake around every 10 or 20 years.

How it was only intended to air abroad, when both Kai remakes start airing in Japan 1 year before going abroad? It seems like it was a normal license deal to me. Also where it was said such a thing?

Here is Toei Animation IR presentation when they decided to do Dragon Ball Kai: Here
Here is Toei Animation IR presentation when they got the US license: Here

Everything indicates that the series was done the normal way. For Japan and then later abroad.

Mayumi Tanaka tweeted that Boo Kai wasn't gonna air in Japan. Also, Boo Kai has the Japanese version and the "Last Chapters (was it?)" version, which have different total episode numbers, sometimes different score and different opening and endings. Seeing that the Japanese version (that aired first) had awkward edits in the first episodes but then would correspond 1:1 to the Last Chapters version, it's possible to see the Japanese version was an afterthought to fill Toriko's timeslot.

That was that kind of announcement that is made just to evade/cover some previous mistake! Is just like the one made by Toei for Sailor Moon Crystal 2(called 3rd) season. Someone of them talked to the Portuguese and French licensees that they would later make more, but when it leaked to people they denied. Just so later they would announce it.

In this case another guy from the Voice Acting team said he was doing records for Dragon Ball, leaking the info(2 years prior to its return). And so Luffy's Voice Actor said it wasn't for Japan(Note it was in response to the leak, it was something really deliberate!). Though if you think a little, why would they need the voice actors to work in the project, and with that pay them, when there wouldn't exist the Japanese version? Also she is just a voice actor, she really doesn't know the plans of Toei Management.
Note that a voice actor from the west around that time also tweeted about not working in any Dragon Ball Kai Buu Saga(SeanSchemmel)

Yep, the "International" version got some more episodes, but that doesn't change from being a normal license.

There is nothing in the tweet that says anything about Funimation. From where did you brought that up?

Also, what the Buu Saga being made just for International release, has anything to do with the series being a flop? It just means that the overseas licensee were so interested that were able to convince them to create more content for them. Even when they had already ended and were not expecting to do more domestically.
Like I said before, A series that does 7.87 Billion Yen(75,111,280 dollars) in merchandise overall, getting a 34th best Character Merchandise in Japan, 4.4 Billion Yen (41,993,600 dollars) in Bandai Merchandise and 16.2 Billion Yen(154,612,800 dollars) in Bandai Namco Overall. Is in no single meaning a flop.

[Bullza]

So it turns out nobody has posted the DVR ratings for any of the episodes since #43. I'm not sure if it's just been forgotten about or what but if someone could find out what the DVR ratings were for Episodes 44-46 (I don't suppose #47 would be out yet) then perhaps I could send a mod a PM with the info asking them to edit it into the OP so it'd still be up to date.

[Bigivel]

So it turns out nobody has posted the DVR ratings for any of the episodes since #43. I'm not sure if it's just been forgotten about or what but if someone could find out what the DVR ratings were for Episodes 44-46 (I don't suppose #47 would be out yet) then perhaps I could send a mod a PM with the info asking them to edit it into the OP so it'd still be up to date.

I can do that, but later.

[kenneth9265]

This is like the thread for Dragon Ball Kai's ratings except for Super. I'll be curious to see how well this show does and hope it's successful because it'll guarantee it a longer run.

Episode 1 - TV 7.9% (4th) - DVR 43.3 (6th)
Episode 2 - TV 5.6% (7th) - DVR 83.4 (2nd)
Episode 3 - TV 7.0% (5th) - DVR 94.2 (2nd)
Episode 4 - TV 6.3% (7th) - DVR 75.8 (3rd)
Episode 5 - TV 5.3% (5th) - DVR 65.3 (5th)
Episode 6 - TV 5.2% (6th) - DVR 55.5 (6th)
Episode 7 - TV 6.0% (7th) - DVR 100.0 (1st)
Episode 8 - TV 6.2% (7th) - DVR 56.8 (7th)
Episode 9 - TV 6.1% (6th) - DVR 100.0 (1st)
Episode 10 - TV 5.1% (8th) - DVR 59.7 (7th)
Episode 11 - TV 5.0% (5th) - DVR 61.0 (6th)
Episode 12 - TV 4.7% (7th) - DVR 56.6 (6th)
Episode 13 - TV 6.6% (6th) - DVR 57.9 (5th)
Episode 14 - TV 5.5% (8th) - DVR 61.8 (7th)
Episode 15 - TV 6.5% (7th) - DVR 56.7 (8th)
Episode 16 - TV 5.5% (8th) - DVR 53.2 (9th)
Episode 17 - TV 5.6% (9th) - DVR 51.3 (8th)
Episode 18 - TV 5.8% (8th) - DVR N/A
Episode 19 - TV 6.6% (7th) - DVR 51.2 (9th)
Episode 20 - TV 5.5% (8th) - DVR 50.7 (9th)
Episode 21 - TV 5.0% (7th) - DVR 55.5 (8th)
Episode 22 - TV 5.8% (7th) - DVR 47.6 (8th)
Episode 23 - TV 4.7% (9th) - DVR 52.4 (9th)
Episode 24 - TV 6.2% (5th) - DVR 53.4 (6th)
Episode 25 - TV 5.7% (3rd) - DVR 50.5 (6th)
Episode 26 - TV 4.9% (7th) - DVR 50.4 (7th)
Episode 27 - TV 5.2% (7th) - DVR 58.0 (9th)
Episode 28 - TV 6.0% (7th) - DVR 58.0 (9th)
Episode 29 - TV 5.3% (9th) - DVR 53.8 (10th)
Episode 30 - TV 6.7% (6th) - DVR 53.5 (10th)
Episode 31 - TV 6.6% (8th) - DVR 54.7 (10th)
Episode 32 - TV 7.3% (7th) - DVR 54.6 (10th)
Episode 33 - TV 5.7% (8th) - DVR 60.4 (9th)
Episode 34 - TV 5.7% (7th) - DVR 56.9 (10th)
Episode 35 - TV 6.3% (5th) - DVR 58.0 (9th)
Episode 36 - TV 5.4% (5th) - DVR 63.5 (8th)
Episode 37 - TV 6.3% (7th) - DVR 89.8 (3rd)
Episode 38 - TV 5.8% (5th) - DVR 70.2 (5th)
Episode 39 - TV 7.1% (7th) - DVR 70.4 (7th)
Episode 40 - TV 6.2% (7th) - DVR 67.3 (6th)
Episode 41 - TV 5.1% (8th) - DVR 64.9 (8th)
Episode 42 - TV 5.0% (7th) - DVR 84.1 (4th)
Episode 43 - TV 6.9% (6th) - DVR 84.3 (4th)
Episode 44 - TV 5.2% (7th)
Episode 45 - TV 5.7% (7th)

Why aren't you updating the Episode rating list on the front page of the thread....

[Lord Beerus]

This is like the thread for Dragon Ball Kai's ratings except for Super. I'll be curious to see how well this show does and hope it's successful because it'll guarantee it a longer run.

Episode 1 - TV 7.9% (4th) - DVR 43.3 (6th)
Episode 2 - TV 5.6% (7th) - DVR 83.4 (2nd)
Episode 3 - TV 7.0% (5th) - DVR 94.2 (2nd)
Episode 4 - TV 6.3% (7th) - DVR 75.8 (3rd)
Episode 5 - TV 5.3% (5th) - DVR 65.3 (5th)
Episode 6 - TV 5.2% (6th) - DVR 55.5 (6th)
Episode 7 - TV 6.0% (7th) - DVR 100.0 (1st)
Episode 8 - TV 6.2% (7th) - DVR 56.8 (7th)
Episode 9 - TV 6.1% (6th) - DVR 100.0 (1st)
Episode 10 - TV 5.1% (8th) - DVR 59.7 (7th)
Episode 11 - TV 5.0% (5th) - DVR 61.0 (6th)
Episode 12 - TV 4.7% (7th) - DVR 56.6 (6th)
Episode 13 - TV 6.6% (6th) - DVR 57.9 (5th)
Episode 14 - TV 5.5% (8th) - DVR 61.8 (7th)
Episode 15 - TV 6.5% (7th) - DVR 56.7 (8th)
Episode 16 - TV 5.5% (8th) - DVR 53.2 (9th)
Episode 17 - TV 5.6% (9th) - DVR 51.3 (8th)
Episode 18 - TV 5.8% (8th) - DVR N/A
Episode 19 - TV 6.6% (7th) - DVR 51.2 (9th)
Episode 20 - TV 5.5% (8th) - DVR 50.7 (9th)
Episode 21 - TV 5.0% (7th) - DVR 55.5 (8th)
Episode 22 - TV 5.8% (7th) - DVR 47.6 (8th)
Episode 23 - TV 4.7% (9th) - DVR 52.4 (9th)
Episode 24 - TV 6.2% (5th) - DVR 53.4 (6th)
Episode 25 - TV 5.7% (3rd) - DVR 50.5 (6th)
Episode 26 - TV 4.9% (7th) - DVR 50.4 (7th)
Episode 27 - TV 5.2% (7th) - DVR 58.0 (9th)
Episode 28 - TV 6.0% (7th) - DVR 58.0 (9th)
Episode 29 - TV 5.3% (9th) - DVR 53.8 (10th)
Episode 30 - TV 6.7% (6th) - DVR 53.5 (10th)
Episode 31 - TV 6.6% (8th) - DVR 54.7 (10th)
Episode 32 - TV 7.3% (7th) - DVR 54.6 (10th)
Episode 33 - TV 5.7% (8th) - DVR 60.4 (9th)
Episode 34 - TV 5.7% (7th) - DVR 56.9 (10th)
Episode 35 - TV 6.3% (5th) - DVR 58.0 (9th)
Episode 36 - TV 5.4% (5th) - DVR 63.5 (8th)
Episode 37 - TV 6.3% (7th) - DVR 89.8 (3rd)
Episode 38 - TV 5.8% (5th) - DVR 70.2 (5th)
Episode 39 - TV 7.1% (7th) - DVR 70.4 (7th)
Episode 40 - TV 6.2% (7th) - DVR 67.3 (6th)
Episode 41 - TV 5.1% (8th) - DVR 64.9 (8th)
Episode 42 - TV 5.0% (7th) - DVR 84.1 (4th)
Episode 43 - TV 6.9% (6th) - DVR 84.3 (4th)
Episode 44 - TV 5.2% (7th)
Episode 45 - TV 5.7% (7th)

Why aren't you updating the Episode rating list on the front page of the thread....

After a certain period of time, it seems as though you can't edit your posts.

[Bullza]

Forum made a change and stopped you from editing old posts unfortunately. Only mods can do it now so I'm gonna see if I get a mod to update it every once in a while.

[Bigivel]

So here it is for DRagon Ball Super

IMPORTANT: The ones you being showing is just the Terrestrial Video Recording Reservation, there are 3 more that show different things. The Terrestrial Video Recording Viewing(the Timeshift), Satellite Video Recording Reservation and Satellite Video Recording Viewing. Dragon Ball Super normally also appears in the Terrestrial Viewing! Do you want me to also show it here? I will do it just to see if you are interested.


Terrestrial DVR top 10 ranking, 2016 May 16 - 22 (episode 44)

Reservation
100.0 - One Piece
*96.6 - Doraemon
*93.3 - Youkai Watch
*76.6 - Detective Conan
*73.7 - Gundam Unicorn RE:0096
*71.2 - Assassination Classroom 2nd Season
*68.6 - Dragon Ball Super
*68.1 - Don't you know? I'm Sakamoto!
*62.6 - Kabaneri of the iron fortress
*58.0 - Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable

Viewing
100.0 - Doraemon
*75.4 - Youkai Watch
*62.5 - Crayon Shin-chan
*51.4 - Assassination Classroom
*49.9 - Anpanman
*42.6 - One Piece
*40.9 - Dragon Ball Super
*39.8 - Kabaneri of the iron fortress
*39.5 - Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable
*39.1 - Don't you know? I'm Sakamoto!

Terrestrial DVR top 10 ranking, 2016 May 23 - 29 (episode 45)

Reservation
100.0 - One Piece
*93.5 - Doraemon
*74.8 - Detective Conan
*71.5 - Gundam Unicorn RE: 0096
*70.7 - Youkai Watch
*68.5 - Assassination Classroom
*66.2 - Dragon Ball Super
*65.3 - Don't you know? I'm Sakamoto!
*60.7 - Kabaneri of the iron fortress
*56.4 - Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable

Viewing
100.0 - Doraemon
*61.7 - Crayon Shin-chan
*56.3 - Assassination Classroom
*54.9 - Anpanman
*48.8 - One Piece
*46.5 - Detective Conan
*42.8 - Don't you know? I'm Sakamoto!
*42.7 - Dragon Ball Super
*41.5 - Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable
*39.9 - Kabaneri of the iron fortress

Terrestrial DVR top 10 ranking, 2016 May 30 - June 5 (episode 46)

Reservation
100.0 - One Piece
*99.7 - Doraemon
*95.4 - Youkai Watch
*79.2 - Detective Conan
*76.3 - Gundam Unicorn RE: 0096
*70.6 - Dragon Ball Super
*70.2 - Assassination Classroom
*68.4 - Don't you know? I'm Sakamoto!
*64.7 - Kabaneri of the iron fortress
*60.0 - Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable

Viewing
100.0 - Doraemon
*78.9 - Youkai Watch
*54.5 - Anpanman
*52.2 - Assassination Classroom
*50.0 - One Piece
*47.0 - Detective Conan
*43.5 - Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable
*40.2 - Dragon Ball Super
*39.2 - Don't you know? I'm Sakamoto!
*38.7 - Kabaneri of the iron fortress

[Bullza]

Well I can't say I'm not a little lost by all that .

So if I were to use the same DVR numbers as all those that have been posted in the past by others and what I have in the OP then would it be

Epispde 44 - DVR 68.6 (7th)
Episode 45 - DVR 66.2 (7th)
Episode 46 - DVR 70.6 (6th)

Is that right?

[Konig]

Well I can't say I'm not a little lost by all that .

So if I were to use the same DVR numbers as all those that have been posted in the past by others and what I have in the OP then would it be

Epispde 44 - DVR 68.6 (7th)
Episode 45 - DVR 66.2 (7th)
Episode 46 - DVR 70.6 (6th)

Is that right?

Precisely. The DVR rating normally posted in the thread relate to the video recording reservation. But it's nice to see how well Super does on the terrestrial viewing ratings.

[Bigivel]

Well I can't say I'm not a little lost by all that .

So if I were to use the same DVR numbers as all those that have been posted in the past by others and what I have in the OP then would it be

Epispde 44 - DVR 68.6 (7th)
Episode 45 - DVR 66.2 (7th)
Episode 46 - DVR 70.6 (6th)

Is that right?

Yep.

Basically think of then as;
. viewing being people only wanting to watch the episode one time on TV(like normal) but not being able to watch at the hour it airs.
. Reservation being people wanting to rewatch the episode and maybe even keep it for a long time. I believe is legal to save into a hard disk or burn into a CD the episode recorded.

. Terrestrial is the normal way of watching TV. The timeslots and TV Channels we know about are majority Terrestrial.
. Satellite I don't think it needs any saying, though in the West is kind of a obsolete TV broadcasting method, we're now in the Cable era. Though Japan never really got into it I believe. The Channels in Satellite are quite different and air quite different content. I believe there isn't any Dragon Ball Super airing in Satellite right now, I'm almost certain that the last time a Dragon Ball appeared in the ratings it was Dragon Ball Z, and around the end of Frieza and hat was still this year. One Piece I believe is around the beginning of the Timeskip. Normally night-time anime, get Terrestrial and Satellite airings simultaneous(sometimes only Satellite), opposed with the long running/mainstream series.

[Konig]

DVR Ratings - June 6 to June 12 (Episode 47)
http://www.tvguide.or.jp/ranking/timerr ... index.html

1. One Piece [100.0]
2. Doraemon [99.7]
3. Yokai Watch [94.7]
4. Detective Conan [79.3]
5. Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn RE: 0096 [76.1]
6. Assassination Classroom [72.3] - Up 1
7. Dragon Ball Super [70.9] - Down 1
8. Sakamoto Desu Ga [68.0]
9. Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress [64.1]
10. JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable [60.3]

Pretty steady week. The ratings are practically the same as those from last week.

[alakazam^]

That was that kind of announcement that is made just to evade/cover some previous mistake! Is just like the one made by Toei for Sailor Moon Crystal 2(called 3rd) season. Someone of them talked to the Portuguese and French licensees that they would later make more, but when it leaked to people they denied. Just so later they would announce it.

In this case another guy from the Voice Acting team said he was doing records for Dragon Ball, leaking the info(2 years prior to its return). And so Luffy's Voice Actor said it wasn't for Japan(Note it was in response to the leak, it was something really deliberate!). Though if you think a little, why would they need the voice actors to work in the project, and with that pay them, when there wouldn't exist the Japanese version? Also she is just a voice actor, she really doesn't know the plans of Toei Management.
Note that a voice actor from the west around that time also tweeted about not working in any Dragon Ball Kai Buu Saga(SeanSchemmel)

Yep, the "International" version got some more episodes, but that doesn't change from being a normal license.

There is nothing in the tweet that says anything about Funimation. From where did you brought that up?

Also, what the Buu Saga being made just for International release, has anything to do with the series being a flop? It just means that the overseas licensee were so interested that were able to convince them to create more content for them. Even when they had already ended and were not expecting to do more domestically.
Like I said before, A series that does 7.87 Billion Yen(75,111,280 dollars) in merchandise overall, getting a 34th best Character Merchandise in Japan, 4.4 Billion Yen (41,993,600 dollars) in Bandai Merchandise and 16.2 Billion Yen(154,612,800 dollars) in Bandai Namco Overall. Is in no single meaning a flop.

Toshio Furukawa didn't even hint at what their recording was about so why would Mayumi Tanaka cover up for him? In fact, she bluntly said they were recording for Kai, and that it wouldn't be airing in Japan, which they hoped it would. Obviously, they would need to know beforehand it was just for international audiences because why would she mention that when she would just assume it was continuing for Japanese audiences?

There are several reasons for them to record the audio and not air it on Japanese networks, just like the continuation of Sonic X. Most likely bilingual DVD/BD.

Where did I talk about Funimation?

My point is that we have strong hints of Kai flopping and how Boo Kai turned out also points in that direction. If it didn't flop in the first place, they'd have continued until the end and not stop at Cell. And even if they'd still end at Cell, they'd be airing Boo anyway instead of tailoring it for international audiences only. I'm not talking about the Dragon Ball franchise, I'm talking about Kai.