"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[kinisking]

Bra prevents Vegeta from dying. He can't die until she's conceived.

I think Bra has been born at this stage, and much like Pan, her existence will be briefly acknowledged for a few moments in-universe, like:

Goku: "So Vegeta, how's Bra doing?"
Vegeta: "She's asleep like any other infant would be at this time."
Goku: "I hope Bulma's breasts don't sag too much from feeding her!"
Vegeta: "KAKAROTTO!!!"
Goku: "Saggy tits! lol ftw"
*cue Benny Hill theme*

Or if she's lucky like Pan, she'll get a filler episode with her as a central character.

No offense, but if Black is powerful enough to kill both Vegeta and Goku, and is no nonsense, how the hell is anyone else suppose to shine? Everyone would be dead by the next episode unless you think everyone can surpass Goku and Vegeta before Black destroys the world. You know, the same Goku and Vegeta whose base forms make Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks look like a weakling.

Have Gohan, Goten and Trunks all become SSJB's and their potenial with the form higher than Goku and Vegeta, give Piccolo a new power up via Namekian Book of Legends plot device, thrown in Majin Boo for shits and giggles. Done.

Seriously, at this stage, anyone can be as strong as they want to in Super. There really is nothing stopping them from having SSJB Gohan having a higher threshold of power within the form than Goku and Vegeta did or SSJB Gotenks becoming a thing, or Piccolo getting another insane power up out of nowhere that puts him ahead of the Saiyans again.

Seems extra to take down 1 or 2 enemies

Android arc?

[HeroR]

Bra prevents Vegeta from dying. He can't die until she's conceived.

I think Bra has been born at this stage, and much like Pan, her existence will be briefly acknowledged for a few moments in-universe, like:

Goku: "So Vegeta, how's Bra doing?"
Vegeta: "She's asleep like any other infant would be at this time."
Goku: "I hope Bulma's breasts don't sag too much from feeding her!"
Vegeta: "KAKAROTTO!!!"
Goku: "Saggy tits! lol ftw"
*cue Benny Hill theme*

Or if she's lucky like Pan, she'll get a filler episode with her as a central character.

No offense, but if Black is powerful enough to kill both Vegeta and Goku, and is no nonsense, how the hell is anyone else suppose to shine? Everyone would be dead by the next episode unless you think everyone can surpass Goku and Vegeta before Black destroys the world. You know, the same Goku and Vegeta whose base forms make Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks look like a weakling.

Have Gohan, Goten and Trunks all become SSJB's and their potenial with the form higher than Goku and Vegeta, give Piccolo a new power up via Namekian Book of Legends plot device, thrown in Majin Boo for shits and giggles. Done.

Seriously, at this stage, anyone can be as strong as they want to in Super. There really is nothing stopping them from having SSJB Gohan having a higher threshold of power within the form than Goku and Vegeta did or SSJB Gotenks becoming a thing, or Piccolo getting another insane power up out of nowhere that puts him ahead of the Saiyans again.

Problem, it took Vegeta six months to catch up with Goku and another four to get Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. That is not including the three years they did in the Hypobolic Time Chamber. So even if they grind with Whis, Black will destroy the world since it will literally take years to reach that level or maybe three days in the Hypobolic Time Chamber, and that's if Black allows them to train at all, which if he is no nonsense, won't happen. And Piccolo getting a power-up by an off mention book that will make him the level of Goku and Vegeta sounds like a Piccolo's fan fantasy.

[Lord Beerus]

Bra prevents Vegeta from dying. He can't die until she's conceived.

I think Bra has been born at this stage, and much like Pan, her existence will be briefly acknowledged for a few moments in-universe, like:

Goku: "So Vegeta, how's Bra doing?"
Vegeta: "She's asleep like any other infant would be at this time."
Goku: "I hope Bulma's breasts don't sag too much from feeding her!"
Vegeta: "KAKAROTTO!!!"
Goku: "Saggy tits! lol ftw"
*cue Benny Hill theme*

Or if she's lucky like Pan, she'll get a filler episode with her as a central character.

No offense, but if Black is powerful enough to kill both Vegeta and Goku, and is no nonsense, how the hell is anyone else suppose to shine? Everyone would be dead by the next episode unless you think everyone can surpass Goku and Vegeta before Black destroys the world. You know, the same Goku and Vegeta whose base forms make Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks look like a weakling.

Have Gohan, Goten and Trunks all become SSJB's and their potenial with the form higher than Goku and Vegeta, give Piccolo a new power up via Namekian Book of Legends plot device, thrown in Majin Boo for shits and giggles. Done.

Seriously, at this stage, anyone can be as strong as they want to in Super. There really is nothing stopping them from having SSJB Gohan having a higher threshold of power within the form than Goku and Vegeta did or SSJB Gotenks becoming a thing, or Piccolo getting another insane power up out of nowhere that puts him ahead of the Saiyans again.

Problem, it took Vegeta six months to catch up with Goku and another four to get Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. That is not including the three years they did in the Hypobolic Time Chamber. So even if they grind with Whis, Black will destroy the world since it will literally take years to reach that level or maybe three days in the Hypobolic Time Chamber, and that's if Black allows them to train at all, which if he is no nonsense, won't happen. And Piccolo getting a power-up by an off mention book that will make him the level of Goku and Vegeta sounds like a Piccolo's fan fantasy.

Raging SSJ2 Vegeta being 10% of Beerus and then reaching SSJB level in less than a year by just training with Whis was nothing but Vegeta fan fantasy and power wanking of the nth degree. If Golden Freeza and Vegeta's transition for SSJ2 tier to SSJB tier have taught us anything is that there is most definitely no set standard for how long it takes any character to reach certain thresholds of strength at any given time. There is nothing working against Gohan becoming a SSJB and having a threshold of power within that form that is higher than what Goku and Vegeta achieved with the same form or Piccolo gaining a new power up that puts him on the same level, or slightly above SSJB, because there is no set standard of strength in Dragon Ball. Anybody can be as powerful as they want to be, if the plot allows it or the plot wants it to happen.

[Big Black Sayian]

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Android arc?

That's not really a good example since only character was useful at one particular time.

[kinisking]

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Android arc?

That's not really a good example since only character was useful at one particular time.

Who said the same couldn't be done now? And also, not true. Future trunks and Vegeta were useful, then Goku and Gohan.

[kinisking]

Bra prevents Vegeta from dying. He can't die until she's conceived.

I think Bra has been born at this stage, and much like Pan, her existence will be briefly acknowledged for a few moments in-universe, like:

Goku: "So Vegeta, how's Bra doing?"
Vegeta: "She's asleep like any other infant would be at this time."
Goku: "I hope Bulma's breasts don't sag too much from feeding her!"
Vegeta: "KAKAROTTO!!!"
Goku: "Saggy tits! lol ftw"
*cue Benny Hill theme*

Or if she's lucky like Pan, she'll get a filler episode with her as a central character.

No offense, but if Black is powerful enough to kill both Vegeta and Goku, and is no nonsense, how the hell is anyone else suppose to shine? Everyone would be dead by the next episode unless you think everyone can surpass Goku and Vegeta before Black destroys the world. You know, the same Goku and Vegeta whose base forms make Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks look like a weakling.

Have Gohan, Goten and Trunks all become SSJB's and their potenial with the form higher than Goku and Vegeta, give Piccolo a new power up via Namekian Book of Legends plot device, thrown in Majin Boo for shits and giggles. Done.

Seriously, at this stage, anyone can be as strong as they want to in Super. There really is nothing stopping them from having SSJB Gohan having a higher threshold of power within the form than Goku and Vegeta did or SSJB Gotenks becoming a thing, or Piccolo getting another insane power up out of nowhere that puts him ahead of the Saiyans again.

Problem, it took Vegeta six months to catch up with Goku and another four to get Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. That is not including the three years they did in the Hypobolic Time Chamber. So even if they grind with Whis, Black will destroy the world since it will literally take years to reach that level or maybe three days in the Hypobolic Time Chamber, and that's if Black allows them to train at all, which if he is no nonsense, won't happen. And Piccolo getting a power-up by an off mention book that will make him the level of Goku and Vegeta sounds like a Piccolo's fan fantasy.

These are the half saiyans, they can catch up in less than a year. Especially if the plot demands it.

[HeroR]

Raging SSJ2 Vegeta being 10% of Beerus and then reaching SSJB level in less than a year by just training with Whis was nothing but Vegeta fan fantasy and power wanking of the nth degree. If Golden Freeza and Vegeta's transition for SSJ2 tier to SSJB tier have taught us anything is that there is most definitely no set standard for how long it takes any character to reach certain thresholds of strength at any given time. There is nothing working against Gohan becoming a SSJB and having a threshold of power within that form that is higher than what Goku and Vegeta achieved with the same form or Piccolo gaining a new power up that puts him on the same level, or slightly above SSJB, because there is no set standard of strength in Dragon Ball. Anybody can be as powerful as they want to be, if the plot allows it or the plot wants it to happen.

And Piccolo reaching Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan level by some off-mentioned book that has never been reference again isn't power wanking? Whis is also the greatest martial artist in the 7th universe, so Vegeta getting so powerful in a short amount of time makes sense and he had an extra three years of training. And he also worked for his power, while you're suggesting Piccolo use a book. Freeza did become powerful in a short time, but that actually worked against him because he didn't take the time to master him new form, and he got his butt kicked because of the severe power drain.

Gohan does have more hidden power than Goku and Vegeta, but it will take him time to do it. If Black isn't screwing around like the androids, Cell, Fat Buu, they won't have time to do a day's worth of training, even with the Hypobolic Time Chamber. And may we remember that Future Gohan, the badass Gohan who trained, died at the hands of 17 and 18, and didn't even get 17 to half his power in the manga. Gohan's history of training is really spotty.

[kinisking]

Raging SSJ2 Vegeta being 10% of Beerus and then reaching SSJB level in less than a year by just training with Whis was nothing but Vegeta fan fantasy and power wanking of the nth degree. If Golden Freeza and Vegeta's transition for SSJ2 tier to SSJB tier have taught us anything is that there is most definitely no set standard for how long it takes any character to reach certain thresholds of strength at any given time. There is nothing working against Gohan becoming a SSJB and having a threshold of power within that form that is higher than what Goku and Vegeta achieved with the same form or Piccolo gaining a new power up that puts him on the same level, or slightly above SSJB, because there is no set standard of strength in Dragon Ball. Anybody can be as powerful as they want to be, if the plot allows it or the plot wants it to happen.

And Piccolo reaching Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan level by some off-mentioned book that has never been reference again isn't power wanking? Whis is also the greatest martial artist in the 7th universe, so Vegeta getting so powerful in a short amount of time makes sense and he had an extra three years of training. And he also worked for his power, while you're suggesting Piccolo use a book. Freeza did become powerful in a short time, but that actually worked against him because he didn't take the time to master him new form, and he got his butt kicked because of the severe power drain.

Gohan does have more hidden power than Goku and Vegeta, but it will take him time to do it. If Black isn't screwing around like the androids, Cell, Fat Buu, they won't have time to do a day's worth of training, even with the Hypobolic Time Chamber. And may we remember that Future Gohan, the badass Gohan who trained, died at the hands of 17 and 18, and didn't even get 17 to half his power in the manga. Gohan's history of training is really spotty.

This is proof that time spent training doesn't mean anything. The plot does.

[namekiansaiyan]

Raging SSJ2 Vegeta being 10% of Beerus and then reaching SSJB level in less than a year by just training with Whis was nothing but Vegeta fan fantasy and power wanking of the nth degree. If Golden Freeza and Vegeta's transition for SSJ2 tier to SSJB tier have taught us anything is that there is most definitely no set standard for how long it takes any character to reach certain thresholds of strength at any given time. There is nothing working against Gohan becoming a SSJB and having a threshold of power within that form that is higher than what Goku and Vegeta achieved with the same form or Piccolo gaining a new power up that puts him on the same level, or slightly above SSJB, because there is no set standard of strength in Dragon Ball. Anybody can be as powerful as they want to be, if the plot allows it or the plot wants it to happen.

And Piccolo reaching Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan level by some off-mentioned book that has never been reference again isn't power wanking? Whis is also the greatest martial artist in the 7th universe, so Vegeta getting so powerful in a short amount of time makes sense and he had an extra three years of training. And he also worked for his power, while you're suggesting Piccolo use a book. Freeza did become powerful in a short time, but that actually worked against him because he didn't take the time to master him new form, and he got his butt kicked because of the severe power drain.

Gohan does have more hidden power than Goku and Vegeta, but it will take him time to do it. If Black isn't screwing around like the androids, Cell, Fat Buu, they won't have time to do a day's worth of training, even with the Hypobolic Time Chamber. And may we remember that Future Gohan, the badass Gohan who trained, died at the hands of 17 and 18, and didn't even get 17 to half his power in the manga. Gohan's history of training is really spotty.

If Piccolo getting a Power up from a book is bullshit so is Goku becoming a Super Saiyan God as that was a ritual from the Book. Super Saiyan God just came out of Toriyama's arse.

[kinisking]

Raging SSJ2 Vegeta being 10% of Beerus and then reaching SSJB level in less than a year by just training with Whis was nothing but Vegeta fan fantasy and power wanking of the nth degree. If Golden Freeza and Vegeta's transition for SSJ2 tier to SSJB tier have taught us anything is that there is most definitely no set standard for how long it takes any character to reach certain thresholds of strength at any given time. There is nothing working against Gohan becoming a SSJB and having a threshold of power within that form that is higher than what Goku and Vegeta achieved with the same form or Piccolo gaining a new power up that puts him on the same level, or slightly above SSJB, because there is no set standard of strength in Dragon Ball. Anybody can be as powerful as they want to be, if the plot allows it or the plot wants it to happen.

And Piccolo reaching Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan level by some off-mentioned book that has never been reference again isn't power wanking? Whis is also the greatest martial artist in the 7th universe, so Vegeta getting so powerful in a short amount of time makes sense and he had an extra three years of training. And he also worked for his power, while you're suggesting Piccolo use a book. Freeza did become powerful in a short time, but that actually worked against him because he didn't take the time to master him new form, and he got his butt kicked because of the severe power drain.

Gohan does have more hidden power than Goku and Vegeta, but it will take him time to do it. If Black isn't screwing around like the androids, Cell, Fat Buu, they won't have time to do a day's worth of training, even with the Hypobolic Time Chamber. And may we remember that Future Gohan, the badass Gohan who trained, died at the hands of 17 and 18, and didn't even get 17 to half his power in the manga. Gohan's history of training is really spotty.

If Piccolo getting a Power up from a book is bullshit so is Goku becoming a Super Saiyan God as that was a ritual from the Book. Super Saiyan God just came out of Toriyama's arse.

No it didn't. Toei came up with the idea of a super saiyan god. But yeah, powerlevels are fucked. Might as well make things interesting if it's going to be that way. People are really trying to limit the story which is funny seeing how this is the same one that had Vegeta having an insane rage boost, goku becoming a god by holding hands, hit becoming stronger out of nowhere, mother fucking freeza in 4 months etc.

[HeroR]

Raging SSJ2 Vegeta being 10% of Beerus and then reaching SSJB level in less than a year by just training with Whis was nothing but Vegeta fan fantasy and power wanking of the nth degree. If Golden Freeza and Vegeta's transition for SSJ2 tier to SSJB tier have taught us anything is that there is most definitely no set standard for how long it takes any character to reach certain thresholds of strength at any given time. There is nothing working against Gohan becoming a SSJB and having a threshold of power within that form that is higher than what Goku and Vegeta achieved with the same form or Piccolo gaining a new power up that puts him on the same level, or slightly above SSJB, because there is no set standard of strength in Dragon Ball. Anybody can be as powerful as they want to be, if the plot allows it or the plot wants it to happen.

And Piccolo reaching Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan level by some off-mentioned book that has never been reference again isn't power wanking? Whis is also the greatest martial artist in the 7th universe, so Vegeta getting so powerful in a short amount of time makes sense and he had an extra three years of training. And he also worked for his power, while you're suggesting Piccolo use a book. Freeza did become powerful in a short time, but that actually worked against him because he didn't take the time to master him new form, and he got his butt kicked because of the severe power drain.

Gohan does have more hidden power than Goku and Vegeta, but it will take him time to do it. If Black isn't screwing around like the androids, Cell, Fat Buu, they won't have time to do a day's worth of training, even with the Hypobolic Time Chamber. And may we remember that Future Gohan, the badass Gohan who trained, died at the hands of 17 and 18, and didn't even get 17 to half his power in the manga. Gohan's history of training is really spotty.

This is proof that time spent training doesn't mean anything. The plot does.

That's a bit of a cop-out answer since everything is plot in a story. And nothing so far in the plot suggest Black will sit on his add and let his enemies grow stronger than him. Future Trunks is a half- breed too who spent a year fighting Black. He had no time to train unlike the androids since Black hunted him the entire time. What makes you believe he will just let Gohan train.

[HeroR]

Raging SSJ2 Vegeta being 10% of Beerus and then reaching SSJB level in less than a year by just training with Whis was nothing but Vegeta fan fantasy and power wanking of the nth degree. If Golden Freeza and Vegeta's transition for SSJ2 tier to SSJB tier have taught us anything is that there is most definitely no set standard for how long it takes any character to reach certain thresholds of strength at any given time. There is nothing working against Gohan becoming a SSJB and having a threshold of power within that form that is higher than what Goku and Vegeta achieved with the same form or Piccolo gaining a new power up that puts him on the same level, or slightly above SSJB, because there is no set standard of strength in Dragon Ball. Anybody can be as powerful as they want to be, if the plot allows it or the plot wants it to happen.

And Piccolo reaching Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan level by some off-mentioned book that has never been reference again isn't power wanking? Whis is also the greatest martial artist in the 7th universe, so Vegeta getting so powerful in a short amount of time makes sense and he had an extra three years of training. And he also worked for his power, while you're suggesting Piccolo use a book. Freeza did become powerful in a short time, but that actually worked against him because he didn't take the time to master him new form, and he got his butt kicked because of the severe power drain.

Gohan does have more hidden power than Goku and Vegeta, but it will take him time to do it. If Black isn't screwing around like the androids, Cell, Fat Buu, they won't have time to do a day's worth of training, even with the Hypobolic Time Chamber. And may we remember that Future Gohan, the badass Gohan who trained, died at the hands of 17 and 18, and didn't even get 17 to half his power in the manga. Gohan's history of training is really spotty.

If Piccolo getting a Power up from a book is bullshit so is Goku becoming a Super Saiyan God as that was a ritual from the Book. Super Saiyan God just came out of Toriyama's arse.

And Goku still got his ass kicked by Beerus even after he absorbed godhood. The only reason Earth was spared was because of Beerus' mercy. Even Vegeta's rage boost amounted to shit in the long run since Beerus just slapped him out of Super Saiyan form. So, if Piccolo gets a power-up from a book and then still gets his add kicked, I guess Piccolo's fans will feel better.

[dbzfan7]

Super's already been looney tunes nuts with power levels, might as well just take advantage of that and hand that shit out like candy on Halloween.

[kinisking]

Raging SSJ2 Vegeta being 10% of Beerus and then reaching SSJB level in less than a year by just training with Whis was nothing but Vegeta fan fantasy and power wanking of the nth degree. If Golden Freeza and Vegeta's transition for SSJ2 tier to SSJB tier have taught us anything is that there is most definitely no set standard for how long it takes any character to reach certain thresholds of strength at any given time. There is nothing working against Gohan becoming a SSJB and having a threshold of power within that form that is higher than what Goku and Vegeta achieved with the same form or Piccolo gaining a new power up that puts him on the same level, or slightly above SSJB, because there is no set standard of strength in Dragon Ball. Anybody can be as powerful as they want to be, if the plot allows it or the plot wants it to happen.

And Piccolo reaching Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan level by some off-mentioned book that has never been reference again isn't power wanking? Whis is also the greatest martial artist in the 7th universe, so Vegeta getting so powerful in a short amount of time makes sense and he had an extra three years of training. And he also worked for his power, while you're suggesting Piccolo use a book. Freeza did become powerful in a short time, but that actually worked against him because he didn't take the time to master him new form, and he got his butt kicked because of the severe power drain.

Gohan does have more hidden power than Goku and Vegeta, but it will take him time to do it. If Black isn't screwing around like the androids, Cell, Fat Buu, they won't have time to do a day's worth of training, even with the Hypobolic Time Chamber. And may we remember that Future Gohan, the badass Gohan who trained, died at the hands of 17 and 18, and didn't even get 17 to half his power in the manga. Gohan's history of training is really spotty.

That's a bit of a cop-out answer since everything is plot in a story. And nothing so far in the plot suggest Black will sit on his add and let his enemies grow stronger than him. Future Trunks is a half- breed too who spent a year fighting Black. He had no time to train unlike the androids since Black hunted him the entire time. What makes you believe he will just let Gohan train.

They'res a possibility he won't let Gohan or FT train. Youre absolutely right. I'm just saying it wouldn't be surprising for Gohan and FT to train much less than Goku and Vegeta to get the same amount of power. Not only are they more talented, Gohan even more so, time spent training has never really mattered in this series. There have been plenty of moments where training for years didn't matter. 3 years in anticipation for androids, FT and Vegeta's second year in the HTC, the period in between dragonball and Z, 4 years in between Buu and BOG, 3 years in HTC with Goku and Vegeta. None of these lead to huge boosts, but once an actual threat came along the Z-fighters grew in power much quicker.

And Goku still got his ass kicked by Beerus even after he absorbed godhood. The only reason Earth was spared was because of Beerus' mercy. Even Vegeta's rage boost amounted to shit in the long run since Beerus just slapped him out of Super Saiyan form. So, if Piccolo gets a power-up from a book and then still gets his add kicked, I guess Piccolo's fans will feel better.

At the end of the day, everyone besides for Goku will get their ass kicked. Might as well look strong doing it

[namekiansaiyan]

I predict someone else will have to get stronger in this arc by the way it has started due to Goku fighting against Black. The Gohan and Future Trunks episode can't be about training as what could they possibly do since Goku and Vegeta trained in the Chamber for 3 years plus there time before it. I say that it is Future Trunks retreating and them discussing a plan.

Also by episode 50 I expect to see all the Z fighters becuase if they can't sense the battle then Toriyama and Toei have lost the plot.

And Piccolo reaching Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan level by some off-mentioned book that has never been reference again isn't power wanking? Whis is also the greatest martial artist in the 7th universe, so Vegeta getting so powerful in a short amount of time makes sense and he had an extra three years of training. And he also worked for his power, while you're suggesting Piccolo use a book. Freeza did become powerful in a short time, but that actually worked against him because he didn't take the time to master him new form, and he got his butt kicked because of the severe power drain.

Gohan does have more hidden power than Goku and Vegeta, but it will take him time to do it. If Black isn't screwing around like the androids, Cell, Fat Buu, they won't have time to do a day's worth of training, even with the Hypobolic Time Chamber. And may we remember that Future Gohan, the badass Gohan who trained, died at the hands of 17 and 18, and didn't even get 17 to half his power in the manga. Gohan's history of training is really spotty.

If Piccolo getting a Power up from a book is bullshit so is Goku becoming a Super Saiyan God as that was a ritual from the Book. Super Saiyan God just came out of Toriyama's arse.

And Goku still got his ass kicked by Beerus even after he absorbed godhood. The only reason Earth was spared was because of Beerus' mercy. Even Vegeta's rage boost amounted to shit in the long run since Beerus just slapped him out of Super Saiyan form. So, if Piccolo gets a power-up from a book and then still gets his add kicked, I guess Piccolo's fans will feel better.

Piccolo fans would be extremely happy with him if he got a power up and had a decent fight with a villain. He should have a go at Golu Black just becuase he is the only person alive who has killed a Goku.

[Lord Beerus]

Super's already been looney tunes nuts with power levels, might as well just take advantage of that and hand that shit out like candy on Halloween.

Amen. Super might as well goes balls to wall and start giving out power ups or new transformations to members of the cast when the plot suits for it. Much like GT. There's no point in Super to be consistent with power scaling at this stage. That ship has sailed.

[HeroR]

To be clear, I am not saying Future Trunks, Gohan, or any of the other hybrids can't surpassed their fathers. They definitely can, especially Gohan. The issue is time. Black isn't going to give them a day or a month to train given what he done to Future Trunks' world. And if he kills Goku and Vegeta with ease, everyone would need to surpass Goku and Vegeta to a great degree, not just equal them. Also, it seem Toriyama and Toei are not doing a Super Saiyan bargain sell on Super Saiyan God or Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Only Goku got Super Saiyan God after all this time and only Goku and Vegeta have Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan since its introduction. Seems like they're trying to keep these form somewhat exclusive so they will remain special.

[kinisking]

All I really want out of this arc is Gohan having a proper fight and Vegeta giving a beating to Goku Black. I don't need anyone to tell me how likely this is so don't bother

[dbzfan7]

Super's already been looney tunes nuts with power levels, might as well just take advantage of that and hand that shit out like candy on Halloween.

Amen. Super might as well goes balls to wall and start giving out power ups or new transformations to members of the cast when the plot suits for it. Much like GT. There's no point in Super to be consistent with power scaling at this stage. That ship has sailed.

Exactly. They've dropped the ball way too much. So it's best to just embrace that insanity, and let it benefit more people. Then less people will give a shit about how ludicrous everything is, as now it lead to more prominent people. If it leads to something good, then it's fine to sacrifice some logic for it. If the prominence of cast members can shoot up from nonsensical gains like we've already have, go for it. That's more characters, more products to buy, and more excitement.

[HeroR]

Super's already been looney tunes nuts with power levels, might as well just take advantage of that and hand that shit out like candy on Halloween.

Amen. Super might as well goes balls to wall and start giving out power ups or new transformations to members of the cast when the plot suits for it. Much like GT. There's no point in Super to be consistent with power scaling at this stage. That ship has sailed.

This argument makes no sense since Dragon Ball has never been constant with power levels. And if the power ups was really as crazy as some of you are suggesting, everyone except the Saiyans wouldn't be stuck at Semi-Perfect Cell level for ten years.

I personally don't want them to hand out Super Saiyan forms like candy since that was one of the primary complaints about the series from the Cell Saga onward. And even then, Super Saiyan 3 was only given to Goku and Gotenks, Vegeta and especially Piccolo was left in the dust.