So who or what is Black?

[ryou766]

Nozawa voicing him must somehow indicate that he's Goten. That definitely must be it.

[Lord Beerus]

If the leaked episode titles are anything to go by, we're gonna find out in about 7 weeks.

[fadeddreams5]

It's Goku Jr. He's pissed his timeline got retconned.

[MadSaiyantist]

If the leaked episode titles are anything to go by, we're gonna find out in about 7 weeks.

Seven? I thought it was only going to be about 4-5 weeks.

[Amph]

by following the occam razor, i want to keep it simple, and just choose the first assumption, which is that this goku is from the universe 6 earth that was created and he had not beaten his head and thus remained evil

[Lord Beerus]

If the leaked episode titles are anything to go by, we're gonna find out in about 7 weeks.

Seven? I thought it was only going to be about 4-5 weeks.

Super is taking a one week break before EP 53, the episode in which Goku Black's identity is revealed, airs. Actually, I've just realised I've counted the weeks wrong. It's actually going to be five weeks before we find out the true identity of Goku Black. My mistake.

[Kishido]

If... Just if... He turns out to be Goten for some really stuoid reasons... I will drop the show

[ryou766]

@Kishido: Really? You wouldn't find it to be humorous?

[Kishido]

@Kishido: Really? You wouldn't find it to be humorous?

No

[Neon Z]

Goku and the others also called the Namekians a bunch of Piccolos and we had Nail who was practically a Piccolo-clone, however, none of them are Piccolo. Frost looked and sound like Freeza, so Goku and the others called him U6 Freeza because they tend to do that. That doesn't mean he is an alternative Freeza, he is just from the same clan and has a similar line of work.

Frost also happens to have the same mutation as Freeza's, or something very similar, that gives him extraordinary power and forces him to create lower forms to control it. It's just way too coincidental for him to be just another random member of Freeza's race.

The stuff you named on Black Goku is so subtile that it barely counts. The fully outline eyes, for example, is to highlight that he's evil since all evil characters in the series have outline eyes. Him being thinner can easily be an artistic choice since Toriyama tend to draw his characters thin and they wanted to reflect that, much like Future Trunks' hair color is now blue, just like Toriyama's drawing.

Turles and Ginyu in Goku's body didn't have the fully outlined eyes in spite of being evil.

[HeroR]

Goku and the others also called the Namekians a bunch of Piccolos and we had Nail who was practically a Piccolo-clone, however, none of them are Piccolo. Frost looked and sound like Freeza, so Goku and the others called him U6 Freeza because they tend to do that. That doesn't mean he is an alternative Freeza, he is just from the same clan and has a similar line of work.

Frost also happens to have the same mutation as Freeza's, or something very similar, that gives him extraordinary power and forces him to create lower forms to control it. It's just way too coincidental for him to be just another random member of Freeza's race.

The stuff you named on Black Goku is so subtile that it barely counts. The fully outline eyes, for example, is to highlight that he's evil since all evil characters in the series have outline eyes. Him being thinner can easily be an artistic choice since Toriyama tend to draw his characters thin and they wanted to reflect that, much like Future Trunks' hair color is now blue, just like Toriyama's drawing.

Turles and Ginyu in Goku's body didn't have the fully outlined eyes in spite of being evil.

Since we literally no nothing of Frieza's race outside of Freeza himself, we don't know what is considered normal for them. You're also making an assumption that he's a mutant. He could have worked for his power or be naturally gifted like Vegeta without being a mutant. And given how Frost lied about everything else, he probably didn't need forms to control his power like Freeza. That just could be the way he chose to suppress his power since he doesn't know how to hide it like the main cast. Frost is a counterpart to Freeza, not Freeza if he chose to be evil in a different way.

Turles wasn't made by Toriyama and he was given dark skin to show that he was evil. Ginyu in Goku's body acted more like a goof than evil, which is why some of his expressions were disturbing. It could also be early instatment weirdness since Toriyama gave Super Saiyan Goku outlined eyes and he wasn't evil. Just extremely ticked off.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Toriyama has stated multiple times in Q&As that Freeza is a mutant. The latest, I believe, is the interview in the Episode of Bardock "Super Kanzenban".

[Zephyr]

we must acknowledge the fact that it is Masako Nozawa who's playing him. We clearly know she's known for voicing almost everyone of Goku's family, and that little detail will stand in favor for those who believe he's Goten

That stands in favor of Black being Goten about as much as it does Black being Goku, Gohan, Bardock, Tullece, or Goku jr.

Or an entirely new character. Because, you know, Nozawa has voiced new characters before. Like when she voiced Goten.

[Lord Beerus]

@Kishido: Really? You wouldn't find it to be humorous?

No

I would. I'd die laughing if that happened, purely because the fanbase would fucking implode if that were the case.

[Xeztin]

I'm more interested in why he looks like Goku rather than who he actually is

[ryou766]

@Kishido: Really? You wouldn't find it to be humorous?

No

I would. I'd die laughing if that happened, purely because the fanbase would fucking implode if that were the case.

This. You'd have one half who would find it to be nothing more than shits and giggles, then the other half would be done with the series.

[Grimlock]

That stands in favor of Black being Goten about as much as it does Black being Goku, Gohan, Bardock, Tullece, or Goku jr.

Or an entirely new character. Because, you know, Nozawa has voiced new characters before. Like when she voiced Goten.

It can't be Gohan as he never had Goku's hair; It can't be Bardock because he has scar; It can't be Goku Jr because... Well, I highly doubt Toriyama would take such big deal from GT. But I'll give you Turles for obvious reasons. My point still stands, though. Obviously that doesn't necessary mean what I said, but it's something that should be taken into consideration.

[Xeztin]

I would. I'd die laughing if that happened, purely because the fanbase would fucking implode if that were the case.

This. You'd have one one half who would find it to be nothing more than shits and giggles, then the other half would be done with the series.

I've seen people say they are "done" if a certain thing happens with multiple series, and once it turns out to be the exact thing they said they'd rage quit over, they stick around. I think a lot of people say that just to hope Toei see's it or something, I don't even know. I'm one of those that doesn't really care if it's Goten or Goku's real grandpa. As long as the story's good it could be GT Goku for all I care. I know a lot of people get "butt hurt" if you even mention it could "possibly" be someone that they don't like or want to be.

[Zephyr]

That stands in favor of Black being Goten about as much as it does Black being Goku, Gohan, Bardock, Tullece, or Goku jr.

Or an entirely new character. Because, you know, Nozawa has voiced new characters before. Like when she voiced Goten.

It can't be Gohan as he never had Goku's hair; It can't be Bardock because he has scar; It can't be Goku Jr because... Well, I highly doubt Toriyama would take such big deal from GT. But I'll give you Turles for obvious reasons. My point still stands, though. Obviously that doesn't necessary mean what I said, but it's something that should be taken into consideration.

Gohan can change his hair. Bardock could get facial reconstruction surgery to remove the scar, or have it magically removed. This entire arc was the idea of the editorial department, so they could have suggested some GT stuff to Toriyama.

Yes, all of this is reaching incredibly far. Suggesting that Black is Goten is no different. Goten wasn't even born in that timeline, as far as any and all information on the matter up to this point appears to have been concerned.

I don't see how somebody could look at what we've been shown and told about Black, and assume "oh man it might be Goten!" any more than they would assume "oh man it might be Gohan/Bardock!"

[HeroR]

That stands in favor of Black being Goten about as much as it does Black being Goku, Gohan, Bardock, Tullece, or Goku jr.

Or an entirely new character. Because, you know, Nozawa has voiced new characters before. Like when she voiced Goten.

It can't be Gohan as he never had Goku's hair; It can't be Bardock because he has scar; It can't be Goku Jr because... Well, I highly doubt Toriyama would take such big deal from GT. But I'll give you Turles for obvious reasons. My point still stands, though. Obviously that doesn't necessary mean what I said, but it's something that should be taken into consideration.

Gohan can change his hair. Bardock could get facial reconstruction surgery to remove the scar, or have it magically removed. This entire arc was the idea of the editorial department, so they could have suggested some GT stuff to Toriyama.

Yes, all of this is reaching incredibly far. Suggesting that Black is Goten is no different. Goten wasn't even born in that timeline, as far as any and all information on the matter up to this point appears to have been concerned.

I don't see how somebody could look at what we've been shown and told about Black, and assume "oh man it might be Goten!" any more than they would assume "oh man it might be Gohan/Bardock!"

The entire arc wasn't the idea of the editorial. Toriyama said that he wrote the arc with the editorial staff suggesting. As far as we know, the editorial could have just said to Toriyama, 'hey, why don't you bring Future Trunks back or will it be cool to have a real evil Goku'. And if he was going to take idea from other sources, like you are suggesting, why didn't he use Time Patrol Trunks or, stick Mira and Towa in here instead of making new Kai. There is nothing so far that suggest that things are recycled. Even the Turlus stuff is silly since Turlus had dark skin and was proud to be a Saiyan, while Black Goku is not. If he is Turlus, it would be Turlus in name only since they have nothing in common other than looking like Goku.