Xeztin wrote:I would say the strong suits for SSG and SSB would be SSG can heal wounds, while SSB is much stronger. That's a way to make the forms diverse and useful, If that's the case I hope the pattern continues.
The wound heal thing was only in the show and its never come back (surprise surprise)
I don't want them to have it anyhow because really, do Goku & Vegeta need Piccolo-esque healing factors too?
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How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Xeztin wrote:I would say the strong suits for SSG and SSB would be SSG can heal wounds, while SSB is much stronger. That's a way to make the forms diverse and useful, If that's the case I hope the pattern continues.
The wound heal thing was only in the show and its never come back (surprise surprise)
I don't want them to have it anyhow because really, do Goku & Vegeta need Piccolo-esque healing factors too?
Oh right! and not really they are already OP, If the SSG wasn't just a one-off for Hit in the manga, I could see SSG playing a crucial part in a later transformation which will cause Vegeta to have to obtain it.
The official, Korean IQ Jump twitter account posted an images of their Super manga materials. Interestingly, they replaced the "cho" kani with hangul. So I can't help but wonder what might befall our logo when we get it?
Spoiler:
Direct translations of the Korean DB Online timeline and guidebook.
My personal "canon" and BP list. (Coming Soon)
They'll probably turn it into a big S or something.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Just replace the kanji with the Superman shield and let shit hit the fan.
At last, a controversy to over shadow Yamamoto's!
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Just replace the kanji with the Superman shield and let shit hit the fan.
God, I want that to happen.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
As expected, the pacing was quite rushed for the latest chapter, but it was a decent enough take on the fight. I liked the battle damage on Hit at the end.
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Augenis wrote:The power level view into the series has trained a significant portion of the fan base into real life stereotypical members of the Freeza empire, where each and every individual is reduced to a floating number above their heads and any sudden changes to said number are met with shock and confusion.
dbgtFO wrote:While I prefer the manga's take in regards to not even implying that SSG is part of their base forms now, I vastly prefer the over-the-top SSB Kaio-ken x10 scene in the anime, even if I find it non-sensical. I just love its epicness and the feelings it brought forth along with Chozetsu Dynamic being played in the background!
I feel the same, but I'm glad the manga had a different perspective. I always found interesting when we have the main product and the adaptation telling the same story differently. It was a pleasant surprise to see how he worked with Goku different upgrades. He did justice for Vegeta too.
Duo wrote:Unreal. The collective shit-fit in this thread since the Chapter 13 raw dropped has got to me one of the most shameful display of posts in Kanzenshuu memory. I don't even know where to begin.
Yeah.. When I started reading this thread in those moments I refrained myself about making any comment. Too much lack of comprehension and harsh posts. Basically, you said everything I've wanted to say. Count on me to congratulate @TheDevilsCorpse's contributions.
And thank you, Toyotaro, to have brought Super Saiyan God again! I missed him. I hope kaioken will have some use further in the story.
Hugo Boss wrote:And thank you, Toyotaro, to have brought Super Saiyan God again! I missed him. I hope kaioken will have some use further in the story.
This comment makes me ponder what the draft originally said. Surely Toriyama didn't write, "Goku uses his red form against Hit. I forget what it's called, but you know what I mean.", and both productions had their own take on that!
Hugo Boss wrote:And thank you, Toyotaro, to have brought Super Saiyan God again! I missed him. I hope kaioken will have some use further in the story.
This comment makes me ponder what the draft originally said. Surely Toriyama didn't write, "Goku uses his red form against Hit. I forget what it's called, but you know what I mean.", and both productions had their own take on that!
This is totally canon
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White Oni wrote:In the animation it's implied that base goku/vegeta are nearly as strong as BoG SsjG Goku, if not stronger.
We have this confirmed in several places, one being slime base vegeta completely stomping ssj3 gotenks.
What I want to know is, is there anything indicating they're this strong in base, in the manga? Because that's an enormous divergence, if not, and in light of SsjG form still being a thing, it seems like that may be the case.
Besides Goku having a silhouette of God appear behind him in the F manga there's nothing that says these guys are anywhere close to SSG power in base or in Super Saiyan. Goku only fights Beerus in SSG in the manga.
I'd think that Goku not getting immediately taken out by SSB Vegeta or Hit would indicate that. He took a hit from SSB Vegeta in their training and stood up immediately afterwards. Later on, Base Goku in the manga faced Hit exactly like in the anime too. Of course, you can go with "they were holding back", but that's not very convincing without anything to indicate that in the manga.
Well, Hit was holding back, but still at a level where he could take hits from a SSJ God without getting destroyed. And obviously Vegeta wasn't intending to kill him, but the idea that he'd jump to SSB, and yet only use an attack on SSJ level, for example, is completely baseless. There's no reason to not take those scenes at face value.
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Neon Z wrote:I'd think that Goku not getting immediately taken out by SSB Vegeta or Hit would indicate that. He took a hit from SSB Vegeta in their training and Base Goku in the manga faces Hit exactly like in the anime.
Eh, not necessarily. Hit can sense power and apparently has issues with holding himself back, him not immediately taking out Goku can easily get explained away by him holding back to avoid accidentally losing by delivering a killing blow. Wouldn't be the first time a stronger opponent dropped his power for a weaker one, Cell's a good example of this. Goku's IT Kamehameha wouldn't do jack to Cell if he was at max power but suppressed and taken by surprise? Gave him some good damage.
Vegeta using Blue on him is weird but I think that was Vegeta just trying to goad Goku into a battle at their strongest, which worked until Goku bit his tongue
Sandubadear wrote:
Nejishiki wrote:
Hugo Boss wrote:And thank you, Toyotaro, to have brought Super Saiyan God again! I missed him. I hope kaioken will have some use further in the story.
This comment makes me ponder what the draft originally said. Surely Toriyama didn't write, "Goku uses his red form against Hit. I forget what it's called, but you know what I mean.", and both productions had their own take on that!
This is totally canon
Yup, that's what happened, calling it right now.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
It's always good to have another view of a shot.
