Listen to the fans or not

[PsionicWarrior]

But how do we seperate the "good" fans fron the "bad" ones..

That's for the writer to worry about.

[Bansho64]

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That's for the writer to worry about.

Then how are the other fans supposed to feel? Like I said earlier, that kind exclusion is gonna cause a divide in the fanbase.

[PsionicWarrior]

Fans who have followed the stories for years also bring their own biases.

Ofc and the creator also has his owns.

Feedback can come from anyone, critics, fans, editors, friends, co-workers, etc.

Weren't you saying fans shouldn't be listened to just a minute ago?

[Bansho64]

Ofc and the creator also has his owns.

Well, he's the creator. He doesn't really have a bias considering that he's the one who right the freakin' thing in the first place.

[PsionicWarrior]

Then how are the other fans supposed to feel? Like I said earlier, that kind exclusion is gonna cause a divide in the fanbase.

Sorry I wasn't clear, it's not about "good fans" or "bad fans", it's about the writer being lucid enough through the massive feedback.

Well, he's the creator. He doesn't really have a bias considering that he's the one who right the freakin' thing in the first place.

Who said creators can't have their own bias? They're the most biased of all!

[ABED]

Ofc and the creator also has his owns.

Well, he's the creator. He doesn't really have a bias considering that he's the one who right the freakin' thing in the first place.

Sorry, that's confusing, I mean through fans indirectly. If you have a bunch of people stop watching your show in a short period of time, then you might want to rethink your approach, but that doesn't mean pandering to them. And usually it's VERY obvious in those cases why viewers or readers are fleeing. You don't need to poll them. For instance, in Lois and Clark fans stopped watching because of the terrible amnesia and frog eating clone story where at the end of it, the couple didn't even get married. The show was missing the banter that made it interesting, and now had resorted to hacky clichés and stunts like promising a wedding. In pro wrestling, the formula is stale and the characters and angles feel artificial instead of organic.

Who said creators can't have their own bias? They're the most biased of all!

True, but at least it's one vision and the one that allowed there to be fans to begin with.

[PsionicWarrior]

True, but at least it's one vision and the one that allowed there to be fans to begin with.

Absolutely, but how do you get from there to "don't listen fans" is what escapes me.

[ABED]

True, but at least it's one vision and the one that allowed there to be fans to begin with.

Absolutely, but how do you get from there to "don't listen fans" is what escapes me.

Because there are too many all with differing opinions. Whom do you listen to? I don't know why I have to keep stating this obvious point. There's also the issue of information. The fans don't have the information about where a story is going.

[PsionicWarrior]

But I don't mean to say fans should write the story as it goes, I say feedback happens from what we already saw, then from there some input can be given. And it's not your or anyone else's place but the author to worry about who gets listened and who doesn't, who better judge than him?

[ABED]

But I don't mean to say fans should write the story as it goes, I say feedback happens from what we already saw, then from there some input can be given. And it's not your or anyone else's place but the author to worry about who gets listened and who doesn't, who better judge than him?

And what sort of feedback do you think they'll give that an author will find of value?

[sangofe]

Toriyama already ruined dragon after he started catering more to infants and pre schooled kids instead of to actual fans.

Toriyama and Toei have made it very clear that they're in this for the $$$ and the $$$ only which is why they're putting in the bare minimum effort into Super.

Artistic quality ? that died alongside the manga in 1995 and the #1 and only focus right now is selling toys and cards.

Eh, no, Toei yes, toriyama no.

[sintzu]

Toriyama already ruined dragon after he started catering more to infants and pre schooled kids instead of to actual fans.

Toriyama and Toei have made it very clear that they're in this for the $$$ and the $$$ only which is why they're putting in the bare minimum effort into Super.

Artistic quality ? that died alongside the manga in 1995 and the #1 and only focus right now is selling toys and cards.

Eh, no, Toei yes, toriyama no.

The quality of his last 2 stories and character designs say otherwise.

[ABED]

The quality of his last 2 stories and character designs say otherwise.

I see the exact opposite. He looked like he was having a lot of fun and created a really enjoyable story, way moreso than the Buu arc.

[PsionicWarrior]

And what sort of feedback do you think they'll give that an author will find of value?

How can you expect me to answer this? Only the author would know what is it he finds of value or trash.

[ABED]

And what sort of feedback do you think they'll give that an author will find of value?

How can you expect me to answer this? Only the author would know what is it he finds of value or trash.

Well what do you think he's going to get from a diverse audience that he will find helpful (without pandering to them) that he couldn't get from a trusted editor or friend or mentor?

[PsionicWarrior]

Well what do you think he's going to get from a diverse audience that he will find helpful (without pandering to them) that he couldn't get from a trusted editor or friend or mentor?

Full of mysteries, life is.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

The quality of his last 2 stories and character designs say otherwise.

Could you provide an explanation? We can't read your min?

In case your argument boilds down to "they're/it's bad", let me say:

Toriyama could have joined the project because he's actually interested and cares about the project. His writing skills and character designed being "bad" is not imhirently tied to just caring about $$$ only, maybe his skills are just simply deteriorated and nothing else but genuinelly cares about what he does, despite his skills not being what his fans hope they were.

[MCDaveG]

Never... The time when fans will dictate their own series instead of liking it will be the end of time.