Plot Holes

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Re: Plot Holes

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:38 am

Kami justifies his inaction re:Piccolo by saying gods can't kill themselves. Then suddenly he's willing to kill Piccolo (and by extension, himself) at the 23rd Budokai.
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Re: Plot Holes

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:44 pm

Goku did reach to Beerus planet the other week and yet Goku was unable to reach to Beerus Planet earlier. So how can Goku reach it now when he could never reach it before?
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Re: Plot Holes

Post by ekrolo2 » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:58 pm

There' a couple of ones I noticed in the Boo Saga recently:

When Piccolo says Goku cannot fuse with either Gohan or Vegeta in the afterlife as he cannot ever return once he leaves again. Later we see that Vegetto, a fusion of a living and dead man is alive. Now, this one does admittedly have wiggle room as Piccolo might just assume even a fusion wouldn't allow Goku to "break the rules".

Another one shows up when Goku tells everyone Gohan and Vegeta are dead and Boo killed them. Before that they use the Dragon Balls to revive all the good people who died that day. Gohan and Vegeta dying takes place before this so everyone should've been aware of the fact at least Gohan would be alive.
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Re: Plot Holes

Post by nite_jay » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:17 pm

Goku says he can't do the Super Kamehameha at the 23rd Budokai because it might kill Ma Jr, resulting in Kami dying. Kuririn reassures Goku that he can because the Dragonballs can resurrect Kami. Goku does it, but later tells Kami himself that he can't be ressurected if he kills Ma Jr., because he knows the Dragonballs will become inert if his kills him. This means that Goku knew that Kami couldn't be resurrected if he killed Ma Jr, but did the Super Kamehameha anyway.

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Re: Plot Holes

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:54 pm

In the Majin Boo arc, when Goku, Vegeta, Majin Boo are fighting Kid Boo and Kibito Kai teleport Dende and Old Kai to New Namek to wish for Earth to be restored after Kid Boo completely obliterated it and then to resurrect everyone who had died since the World Martial Arts Tournament when Babidi and his forces first attacked, except the evil ones, Moori and the other Namekians know of the situation that is going on, and have already gathered the Dragon Balls for the situation. How the hell did they know what was going on on Supreme Kai's planet with the Z-Fighters talking on Kid Boo or what was going on with Majin Boo and the rest of the bullshit that happened on Earth when Babidi and his cronies arrived?

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Re: Plot Holes

Post by ShadowBardock89 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:58 pm

Is Future Trunks having blue hair in Super, despite never once prior been depicted as such (including the Kai flashback), while Kid Trunks still having purple hair a plot hole?
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Re: Plot Holes

Post by GTx10 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:37 am

nite_jay wrote:Goku says he can't do the Super Kamehameha at the 23rd Budokai because it might kill Ma Jr, resulting in Kami dying. Kuririn reassures Goku that he can because the Dragonballs can resurrect Kami. Goku does it, but later tells Kami himself that he can't be ressurected if he kills Ma Jr., because he knows the Dragonballs will become inert if his kills him. This means that Goku knew that Kami couldn't be resurrected if he killed Ma Jr, but did the Super Kamehameha anyway.
It's a lapse of logic for sure. It kinda sounds like Son being his usual dickish self thou. Think of it:

Son Goku: "I'm blast Piccolo with my muffins! But that might kill Jesus."

Kuririn: "You mean God. But don't worry, cuz Dragon Balls yo!"

Son Goku: "But then the balls will become stone... But I wanna shoot my muffin! Oh well. Bye, bye Jesus."

That is Son's logic. (In DBZA style of course)
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Re: Plot Holes

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:06 pm

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nite_jay wrote:Goku says he can't do the Super Kamehameha at the 23rd Budokai because it might kill Ma Jr, resulting in Kami dying. Kuririn reassures Goku that he can because the Dragonballs can resurrect Kami. Goku does it, but later tells Kami himself that he can't be ressurected if he kills Ma Jr., because he knows the Dragonballs will become inert if his kills him. This means that Goku knew that Kami couldn't be resurrected if he killed Ma Jr, but did the Super Kamehameha anyway.
It's a lapse of logic for sure. It kinda sounds like Son being his usual dickish self thou. Think of it:

Son Goku: "I'm blast Piccolo with my muffins! But that might kill Jesus."

Kuririn: "You mean God. But don't worry, cuz Dragon Balls yo!"

Son Goku: "But then the balls will become stone... But I wanna shoot my muffin! Oh well. Bye, bye Jesus."

That is Son's logic. (In DBZA style of course)
Goku could have just realized later on that the death of God meant no more Dragon Balls, so when he fired his Super Kamehameha he thought everything would be fine.

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Re: Plot Holes

Post by ChaosLordBrandon » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:33 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Goku did reach to Beerus planet the other week and yet Goku was unable to reach to Beerus Planet earlier. So how can Goku reach it now when he could never reach it before?
He sensed SSB Vegeta's Ki.

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Re: Plot Holes

Post by ShadowBardock89 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:09 pm

This thread brought up a couple of BoG plot holes:
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sintzu wrote:Bulma didn't recognize Pilaf.

Pilaf didn't recognize Piccolo.

Beerus didn't recognize Buu.

Pilaf tried to kill her and I doubt she's seen many creatures like him so forgetting about him is very far fetched.

Pilaf was the one who released Piccolo and after that he tried to kill him so like Bulma, the chances of him forgetting about him are slim to none.

Buu pretty much took over Beerus' job for awhile yet he doesn't know him ? we know Whis doesn't sleep so even if Beerus was sleeping through the whole thing Whis would've at least mentioned it. Freeza knew about Buu so he might've mentioned him as well.
Theophrastus wrote: Most everyone should have immediately recognized Piccolo at the 23rd Budokai, too, yet somehow that stayed under wraps until he announced who he was to everyone present.

I'm inclined to think that people in Dragon World are really, really bad at recognizing faces.
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