So who or what is Black?

[Bullza]

Yeah at the moment I'd guess that Zamasu used some unique Potara earring to take over his body.

He has the time ring, he knows Beerus and he coincidentally has white hair.

Perhaps this Zamasu guy has evil plans in mind but lacks the power to be able to pull them off so he took over Goku's who if was anything like the main timelines Goku would be the strongest being in the afterlife.

[HeroR]

The more I hear people pin everything on Zamasu, the more I can't help but think when everyone was sure that Vados was the main villain of the Champa Saga and she was planning something with Hit.

I don't think Zamasu is actually in Goku's body since they're clearly separate people in the intro. I could see Black Goku working or controlled by Zamasu, but not Zamasu actually being inside Goku as the controller.

[ClinicalBM]

With eposide 50 now out and more info. As the time-ring apparently has limitations and reacts to time interruptions. So, I now feel as Black is God King Zamasu (likely an evil green supreme kai or Makaiōshin), who inspired by Goku’s insane ability/potential somehow took dead Goku’s body while he was training in other world in Trunks timeline. Like Ginyu did once.

Maybe by gathering the super dragon balls in that timeline or with a kai/Makaiōshin technique/element we don't know about to take Goku’s life back but at the same time to also to steal his body. His ki is purple, probably after that evil kai/Makaiōshin. This also explains how he knows Vegeta (from other world) and Beerus. While they don’t know him – yet. Similar but different to what the elderly supreme Kai did, who just gave his life to Goku during the buu saga.

[GodKaio-Ken]

We have no clues whether Zamasu is good/bad and in the intro it appears as if he is 100% good to me.

I'm still going with the theory that Zamasu was the master/trainer of Black before something happened to make him show/pursue darkness one day. Zamasu very obviously looks saddened and broken by an event.

[Shinomori]

With this latest episode, a lot of people are now speculating that Black took over Goku's body, yet I don't think it's that simple. If that were the case, what's up with the black clothes? Once he took over Goku's body, did he pull an Android 18 and go shopping for a new wardrobe? No, that can't be it. The better explanation can be seen on his left earlobe. The promotional art for this Goku Black arc highlighted his green potara earring. We know when two people fuse with the potara earrings, their clothes fuse as well. The only exception was with the older supreme kai and that witch. Perhaps it was because it was a male and female fusing. Anyway, it's most likely whoever Black is, he's fused with the dead version of Future Goku.

When you think about it, when Goku died against Cell in our present timeline, he continued to train and have adventures in the afterlife, even meeting different kais though that part was filler. Who's to say once Future Goku died of the heart virus, he didn't go on his own adventures and along the way met a makaioshin with a vendetta. Once they fused, a new being was created (as much as Vegito was his own being, yet possessed the knowledge of both Goku and Vegeta) called Goku Black.

[Chuquita]

The thing that bothers me most about Gokû Black is his eyes. Those aren't Gokû's eyes. Is it possible that if he is a fusion that the only physical change would be his eyes?

[Cetra]

They just gave him typical dead serious Super Saiyajin eyes, like Vegeta always has. Serious Goku does not necessarily have them like this in base but it is fitting to make his body have them to differ and make him look a bit more evil.

[Shinomori]

Some have also stated Goku Black looks thinner compared to Goku. So if this is a fusion, which I'm almost wiling to put money on it, we could surmise the guy Future Goku is fused with is skinner and have those evil/crazy facial expressions.

[ryou766]

I don't think Zamasu is actually in Goku's body since they're clearly separate people in the intro..

Are you implying that they are separate people because they were shown in separate shots?

[HeroR]

I don't think Zamasu is actually in Goku's body since they're clearly separate people in the intro..

Are you implying that they are separate people because they were shown in separate shots?

I don't see why they would show Zamasu to begin with if he was just going to be stuck in Black's body, or they would at least show them on the same screen as Black like the U6 fighters, or Trunks and Mai instead of given him his own segment. There is also the question of why a Kai would control a mortal, especially since when Kami control a lower being at the 23rd Martial Arts Tournament he claimed it actually weakened him. Plus, I just get a feeling looking at the intro that Zamasu isn't bad, or at least neutral.

[ryou766]

I don't see why they would show Zamasu to begin with if he was just going to be stuck in Black's body

Because Zamasu himself is still a character? Because we still need an explanation on WHO he is and WHERE he came from?

[HeroR]

I don't see why they would show Zamasu to begin with if he was just going to be stuck in Black's body

Because Zamasu himself is still a character? Because we still need an explanation on WHO he is and WHERE he came from?

And why weren't Zamasu showed together with Black like Trunks and Mai if they're so joined together, especially if Zamasu is possessing Goku's body? Zamasu maybe connected to Black, but not in the way fans are thinking.

[ryou766]

And why weren't Zamasu showed together with Black like Trunks and Mai if they're so joined together, especially if Zamasu is possessing Goku's body?.

We haven't gotten ANY information on Zamasu other than his name and design. They aren't revealing much about both his character and what's to come.

[HeroR]

And why weren't Zamasu showed together with Black like Trunks and Mai if they're so joined together, especially if Zamasu is possessing Goku's body?.

We haven't gotten ANY information on Zamasu other than his name and design. They aren't revealing much about both his character and what's to come.

True, but character who are relative to each other are usually grouped together in a segment. Freeza was with his men, Champa and Vados are always together, the U6 fighters were together, and Trunks and Mai were together. Black and Zamasu have their own segments.

[ryou766]

True, but character who are relative to each other are usually grouped together in a segment. Freeza was with his men, Champa and Vados are always together, the U6 fighters were together, and Trunks and Mai were together. Black and Zamasu have their own segments.

They were paired up together because we knew what they were about; there was no need to keep it a mystery. We knew about Freeza, we knew who Champa and Vados were before they even made an appearance, and the same goes with the U6 fighters. With Zamasu, we don't know where he's from and who he's affiliated with. We don't even know if he's from U7 since he bares resemblance to the U6 Supreme Kaioshin.

[HeroR]

True, but character who are relative to each other are usually grouped together in a segment. Freeza was with his men, Champa and Vados are always together, the U6 fighters were together, and Trunks and Mai were together. Black and Zamasu have their own segments.

They were paired up together because we knew what they were about; there was no need to keep it a mystery. We knew about Freeza, we knew who Champa and Vados were before they even made an appearance, and the same goes with the U6 fighters. With Zamasu, we don't know where he's from and who he's affiliated with. We don't even know if he's from U7 since he bares resemblance to the U6 Supreme Kaioshin.

Yeah, and they could have paired him with Black to show that he had connection with him, rather that of an enemy or a friend. Instead, they're separated from each other. I think Zamasu being Black especially would warrant him being in the same space as Black.

[HybridSaiyan]

Am I the only one who thinks Broly would have been a better villain than Black / Evil Goku?
Something about Black just reminds me of Turles in a new getup lol.

[HeroR]

Am I the only one who thinks Broly would have been a better villain than Black / Evil Goku?
Something about Black just reminds me of Turles in a new getup lol.

Broly is an interesting as cardboard, while we have no clue what Black is, his motives, his sense of justice, how his powers work, and how he relate to the gods.

The only thing Black has in common with Turles is that they're both evil versions of Goku.

[HybridSaiyan]

Am I the only one who thinks Broly would have been a better villain than Black / Evil Goku?
Something about Black just reminds me of Turles in a new getup lol.

Broly is an interesting as cardboard, while we have no clue what Black is, his motives, his sense of justice, how his powers work, and how he relate to the gods.

The only thing Black has in common with Turles is that they're both evil versions of Goku.

I'm sure Broly's appearance would alert the gods more tbh. He's how Saiyans should be when the blood thirst and rage take over. A pure evil Saiyan that has no remorse for anything. His fighting style is more brutal and destructive than Blacks, and i'm sure if Broly was brought into the series, fans would be going crazy.

[ryou766]

Tullece's brutality was much more worse than from we've seen of Black thus far.