Hugo Boss wrote:For the sake of organization, I will try to respond every point you brought up in a single text. First, I think my point was about some tidbit from Daizenshuu which compares Halflings and Pure-blooded Saiyans,
How old is this thing you keep mentioning? is it pre CELL when Gohan was supposed to be the hero of earth? Thats easily explained for plot reasons, they are giving him props to become the hero with perks and what not. Has it ever materialized after?
Noticed how now that Goku is set to be the hero of the show he get the same mentions about his potential, and perks in battle that only he possess, like the ability to absorb the SSG transformation into himself while fighting beerus
I didn't suggest there is a rule to how their power growth works
But isn't claiming things like Hybrid grow faster by rule claiming pure saiyans grow slower, and why would you need hybrids to be better to justify trunks getting strong in 11 years time
Gohan at 5 had a powerlevel of over 10,000, a figure almost none of Pure-blooded Saiyans could reach, with a few exceptions
I already conceded the advantage of being born with higher base power, you also have to take into account my first point debating you: Context is key, the power of new characters will depend of hen they are introduced how strong are the enemies at the time. Vegeta was born with much more power than goku and was said to have surpassed king vegeta at early age. That didnt stop Goku from surpassing vegeta
In Cell Arc, Gohan surpassed Goku and Vegeta despite starting RoSaT's training behind them.
In Cell Arch Gohan in Akira Toriyamas mind at the time was supposed to be Gokus successor are the hero of earth so it only makes sense to make him the strongest, how do you make the hero not the strongest? He then later his mind about this
Having said that:
Trunks and Vegeta got the same results (same realm of powers) while training under the same circumstances. See how the hybrid vs pure does not work out in this case
Day one of time room goku intended for Gohan to surpass him as per the plot requirements, initially he focused on getting Gohan SS1 to his own training detriment later offset by having a strong sparring partner
In Boo Arc, Goten and Trunks were far stronger than their parents were when they fought the cyborgs and as Gotenks they surpassed Goku and Vegeta. Gohan surpassed Gotenks.
And as fused Goku and Vegeta surpassed far and above both of them, bringing fusion into the argument makes no sense
As i said Being introduced with a impressive power level for the time does not determine the characters potential, them being that strong at early age is only up to the context of being introduced in a saga wih greater power scales than before, I'm sure you see this.
Gohan also achieved this power boost through the elders ritual not his own mean, the elder claim his special power was to make ANYONE insaely powerful, he could even make a weakling very strong, there is nothing to imply Goku and vegeta wold not get terrific results out of this too
Third, Trunks turned SS faster than his future self because he played fights with Goten or something of that effect. Bulma also implied Vegeta wanted Trunks to surpass Gohan, if I'm not mistaken.
And kid future trunks didn't? forget the great threat when he was born? he was born at the brink of collapse?He probably was trained by Gohan when he still was on diapers. Future Trunks had even more motivation to start training at an early age other than fun
Bolded never happened this is just an assumption on your part
Daizenshuu does make a point about tailless hybrids having their particularities
Coulnt this ne interpreted as a way to prop the majin saga at the time? As far of the people were concerned when DBZ was airing those kids were all the hope earth had left and Goku refused to meddle with things. Akiras later comment on the matter also contradicts this or at the least makes no allusion to this supposed advantage of being born tailless
Seventh, I never suggested Future Trunks' current strength must have an explanation, I just tried to figure out a way of explaining it, because I don't think "plot convenience" is a creative response, it's too obvious. Finally, I think the last episode implies Black's current strength is not leagues ahead of Future Trunks, despite existing a clear difference in their power.
Reaching SS2 and then more in 11 years is a fair game, i would expect no less of trunks. Especially considering he had black as a sparring partner for a year
Goku's current level is fruit of his fondness for battle
if that was just it then would not reach the heights he did, he wouldnt have the latent ability and talent he shows in battles and he wouldnt have being able to absorb the god essence, after the transformation was done he would have being done for if he didnt have that Gokuness that carachterize him in battle
So in essence
In the same context and circumstances in the same saga, saiyans and hybirds grow at the same pace, this is displayed in Saiyan saga,Namek, Andriod, Cell*, majin and now Super. If being born/being introduced with higher meant anything then you would have them outpace on the same time period. This is why i think the hybrid theroy is an old concept that holds no weight anymore
