How strong do you think the God power multiplier is?

[TheMikado]

I brought this up because we have Goku using SSB in addition to all his other SSJ forms

So starting from Goku's CURRENT base what do you think the multiplier is?

[Captain Strawberry]

the strength of bluper is that according to the story/plot. We really shouldn't think about how strong it is specifically because it makes the story more tangible and be able to play around with.

[Saiyan007]

SSGSS is a bigger boost than SSJG which is a far and above Vegito in any form.

Not too mention SSJG has the power to destroy the universe and SSGSS is on another level.


Like I said before it's huge people underestimate how powerful you need to be just to destroy a galaxy let alone the entire universe

[TheMikado]

SSGSS is a bigger boost than SSJG which is a far and above Vegito in any form.

Not too mention SSJG has the power to destroy the universe and SSGSS is on another level.


Like I said before it's huge people underestimate how powerful you need to be just to destroy a galaxy let alone the entire universe

I completely agree but where does that put SSJ, SSJ2,SSJ3 by comparison SSB? Universe level destroying power is a huge power difference which SSJ1 being at SSG levels yet people think Future Trunks randomly got that strong as well.

[MadSaiyantist]

Like I said before it's huge people underestimate how powerful you need to be just to destroy a galaxy let alone the entire universe

I think most people just underestimate the size of a Galaxy not to mention the entire Universe.

[apex_pretador]

at a level where it can;t be comprehended in multipliers.

[TheMikado]

at a level where it can;t be comprehended in multipliers.

That's a cop out, especially when Whis says they need to make their bases stronger. There is definitely a multiplier. Be it 10 or 10,000.

[Saiyan007]

It's not really a copout when you realize Goku and Beerus fight transcend space and time there's not a way you can actually quantify that.

There shockwaves of there fight are going past the observable universe and reaching into other dimensions and threatening to blow up those dimensions that just defies all logic and there's really no way you can put a numerical number on it.

You saying the God Boost is only 10,000 wouldn't make a whole lot of sense considering what the power Goku has a God.

Cell had the power to destroy the solar system and Goku as a ssj3 is quite above him.Now if you think making an attack 10,000x stronger than an attack that can destroy a solar system is going to destroy 5 galaxies you wouldn't even come close to it.

Keep in mind Goku and Beerus were going to destroy billions of galaxies and destroy other dimensions as well.

Saying the god boost is only a 10,000x multiplier than a ssj3 could only work solely for Power Levels but that number isn't truly accurate.


SSJ2 is only a "2x" boost but i can assure you jumping from destroying earth to destroying a solar system is in the difference of billions of times more powerful.

Do when you actually break it down the true boost Goku gets specifically for his destructive capacity and his defensive capacity is in a sense inccauable.

[MaxZ]

50x Saiyan Beyond God is the way I see it

whereas regular SSJ is actually weaker than Saiyan Beyond God.

Two bases theory makes sense to me.


Like so: normal base < SSJ < SSJ2 < SSJ3 < Saiyan Beyond God < SSJG < SSJB < SSJB KKx10

[TheMikado]

It's not really a copout when you realize Goku and Beerus fight transcend space and time there's not a way you can actually quantify that.

There shockwaves of there fight are going past the observable universe and reaching into other dimensions and threatening to blow up those dimensions that just defies all logic and there's really no way you can put a numerical number on it.

You saying the God Boost is only 10,000 wouldn't make a whole lot of sense considering what the power Goku has a God.

Cell had the power to destroy the solar system and Goku as a ssj3 is quite above him.Now if you think making an attack 10,000x stronger than an attack that can destroy a solar system is going to destroy 5 galaxies you wouldn't even come close to it.

Keep in mind Goku and Beerus were going to destroy billions of galaxies and destroy other dimensions as well.

Saying the god boost is only a 10,000x multiplier than a ssj3 could only work solely for Power Levels but that number isn't truly accurate.


SSJ2 is only a "2x" boost but i can assure you jumping from destroying earth to destroying a solar system is in the difference of billions of times more powerful.

Do when you actually break it down the true boost Goku gets specifically for his destructive capacity and his defensive capacity is in a sense inccauable.

if the number isn't a multiplier than why would it matter if their based got stronger? I'm not arguing its metaphysical relationship to the rest of the universe.
I don't care if the multiplier is 1 Billion/trillion etc. I'm just asking what it is. So yes saying it can't be quantified is a cop out especially when the power of their base has an effect on that power whatever that magnitude of power is.

[Khin]

There is no specific multiplier. Toriyama isn't writing this series with a calculator nor thinking about Power Levels when making his story. Super Perfect Cell would be trillions of times stronger than Saiyan Arc Vegeta if we take multipliers or power levels so seriously.

I'd imagine if someone were to ask Toriyama whats the multiplier of the forms; he would just say "I dunno maybe *gives random numbers*.

[TheMikado]

There is no specific multiplier. Toriyama isn't writing this series with a calculator nor thinking about Power Levels when making his story. Super Perfect Cell would be trillions of times stronger than Saiyan Arc Vegeta if we take multipliers or power levels so seriously.

I'd imagine if someone were to ask Toriyama whats the multiplier of the forms; he would just say "I dunno maybe *gives random numbers*.

TRILLIONS?? What?? This is like basic math. We pretty much know through mathematical extrapolation that SSJ Goku was around 50,000,000 power level in the Frieza arc.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/manga/

While we do not have exact numbers, if we wanted to guess Cell could easily be in the 200,000,000 range. If you wanted to compare to Saiyan Arc Vegeta at around 20,000 then is basically an x10,000 difference. A far cry from Trillions. Anyway. The reason power levels and multipliers are used is because they help to establish a rough comparison of power, not necessarily a specific number. To illustrate what I mean, the farmer who had a power level of 5 compared to Vegeta was a difference of x4,000. So the difference between Cell and Vegeta in terms of relative power levels is likely greater than the difference between Saiyan Vegeta and that puny farmer. It helps put into context how much more powerful Cell was and how insignificant Saiyan arc Vegeta would have been by comparison.

[Khin]

Although i'm not an expert about busting stuff. I've heard things from pretty reliable people that destroying a Solar System (Which includes the Sun) would require about trillions times of power than the energy required to destroy a Planet. Meaning Cell would need trillion X more energy than Saiyan Arc Vegeta in order for him to destroy the Solar System. There's a reason why AT stopped using Power Levels after the Freeza Arc. See how the Androids have some kind of device used to measure one's power, but they never stated any numbers at all. See how Base Gotenks was implied to be stronger than his Pre RoSaT self; if we take Power Levels too seriously, that won't work. But it's obvious that AT wasn't thinking about Power Level consistency when making his story at that point.

I spent most of my posts discussing about Power Levels and stuff. But just recently i stopped it. I find discussing about Power Levels fun, but i don't take them too seriously.

[TheMikado]

No one should be using fears for power comparisons and I think people rarely do. The only fears I'm aware of that most people use are in battles when comparing characters strength.

To kind of explain what I mean using the Vegeta example, to make Cell he would need to be 10,000 stronger than he was in the Saiyan arc, which on its surface sounds preposterous.

However when Vegeta achieved that level of power it was through the modifier of SSJ2 which supposedly grants a multiplier of x100.

In context this means that Vegeta only actually worked at becoming 100x stronger than his normal self from the Saiyan arc. I very impressive and over the top feat but it helps bring power levels down into proper context rather than the idea that they had grown several hundreds or thousands of times stronger.

That's why the multiplier matters and makes the power levels feel less inflated and more hard won as you realize how much hard they would have to struggle to get their basic forms up.

Anyway it's off topic and the question I was proposing what was the SSB multiplier was not whether it mattered or not.