"DragonBall GT" Answer Thread

[Aoi]

hehe thanks. But the sad thing is that Dragon ball GT has things that I liked a lot and made me want it to be part of the real continuation in my mind (like most of the bebi saga, SSJ4 which was still a great design).
Also little things like when Goten gets hit by Chi Chi and we see him fall on pictures of Vegeta raising Bra (very very funny picture). Or when Goku visits everyone from the first dragonball show at the end of the bebi saga.
The last episode of the saga (40) was maybe the best in GT and one of the best in dragonball history. It was funny, sad and entertaining.

But I dont know what happen for the rest because the show was ruined. It is as if the corporate men in TOEI said: "Ok , screw trying to make this show good with a story, just make it all action before we cancel it and have 0 to no story".
And that is what we get: 24 episodes of terrible story, and just fight after fight after stupid fight (when the dragons come, the show is ruined to the point that it is a joke of what dragon ball was first made to be). I got so mad watching the "electical" dragon episode. It was terrible with no creativity.

That is why Dragon ball GT is such a sad story, because it was great at first and gave room to explain everything in the series (why SSJ4? and other things). But instead, we get all fighting and go back to Dragon ball Z villains (which made the show stop feeling like "GT", which it did feel like a new show in the bebi saga).

Also the bebi saga in a way was too much like "Z" , but that also included some of the good writting (even if it was copy). For example: the story of the tsufrurians actually did show like it was a part of the orginal big story with the saiyans getting "redemtion" finally. This is why I really hated why the series went so bad after seeming like it was going to be good.

[Kaboom]

Heh. Agreed. Even Mike has agreed that GT had truckloads of potential, but was just unbelievably poorly executed, save for a couple parts of the Babi arc, of course.

I wish I could go work on my rewrite fanfic now, but I can't until my laptop gets fixed...

[Aoi]

that would be interesting to see. How would you have continued and ended GT if you had creative power?

I always thought of making 1 more saga. I would have 1 more look at the entire dragon ball story so far and then decide what important themes still can be explored. Then go deep and understand all of the dragon ball characters enough to know what problems they have always had and give them final resolution (in an original and entertaining way of course).

And many other things. I think that TOEI knew that you could not have a villain exist in the universe stronger than Cell and Buu and so they made villains who started weak and became strong in 20 minutes after : "absorbing energy" (like Bebi and Super 17 do, or even the last dragon with the dragonballs). It is lazy and bad writting.

But when I hear of people changing GT, they always say things like: "I would have had Vegeta go SSJ43456456 and then have more fighting and kill Pan and," etc. When what GT needed was more: a well written story that made sense in the dragon ball world, good character development and much more.

But how would people here have changed it?

[Neon Z]

But how would people here have changed it?

Following DBGT general guidelines, I'd have made these changes:

1-Pan would mostly keep her "end of Z" personality- the female Goku who likes Ice Cream- rather than getting a generic "pre-teen" persona.

2-I'd also probably go with 2 groups traveling through space, rather than only Pan/Trunks/Goku. The second one probably would have Uub, Vegeta and Goten.

3- Uub would be more hot headed to distinguish him from the other characters. He also would wear a variation of Goku's gi, rather than something mostly unrelated.

4-The Black Star Dragon Balls would have no relation to Piccolo, they'd just be mysterious objects that crashed close to Pillaf. The curse would be broken after Goku goes SSJ4 for the first time.

5- That alien mercenary (Ridgic or something) would become a recurring rival for Goku during the space travels, and a supporting character in the later sagas. He could even get some kind of enhancement from Myuu.

6- Baby would possess Ultimate Gohan as his final host, and would kill Vegeta. I just thought his whole hate for Goku was rather misplaced. The series generally would still go on in the same way.

7-Uub would get some kind of power up after he remembered his past as Majin Buu and "fused" with Kid Buu in his mind- that'd replace his Baby Saga power up. The Majin Buu/Uub fusion would only happen in the Super 17 Saga, and he'd be the one to kill Super 17, rather than Goku.

8-Super 17 would be the fusion of 17 with Myuu's technology rather than the fusion of 2 17s.

9- The 7 Dragons would appear after the Black Star Dragon Balls fused with the original Dragon Balls of Earth (when the dragon is summoned after the Super 17 Saga). The whole backstory of evil energy would be kept, only, they'd be attracted to that power, rather than created by it.

10-Every hero that ever appeared in Dragon Ball would fight against the Dragons, kind of like how almost every past villain appeared in the Super 17 Saga, even if they had no speaking parts.

11-I'd also keep 4 star dragon around longer, and even fuse him with some other character, like Goten, Gohan or Uub.

12-I'd generally keep the ending the same, Goku defeating the final Dragon with a miracle, though I wouldn't have a Vegeta Jr. at the epilogue, only Goku Jr. fighting some generic, but serious looking, opponent.

-However, having complete creative freedom, I'd probably go with something extremely different from GT, the only idea that could be reused would be the evil dragons, but even them would be really different.

[Grandmaster J]

If anyone has any questions maybe we can answer them.

Okay then. Where is the soundtrack to the Japanese GT series?

[Aoi]

But how would people here have changed it?

Following DBGT general guidelines, I'd have made these changes:

1-Pan would mostly keep her "end of Z" personality- the female Goku who likes Ice Cream- rather than getting a generic "pre-teen" persona.

2-I'd also probably go with 2 groups traveling through space, rather than only Pan/Trunks/Goku. The second one probably would have Uub, Vegeta and Goten.

3- Uub would be more hot headed to distinguish him from the other characters. He also would wear a variation of Goku's gi, rather than something mostly unrelated.

4-The Black Star Dragon Balls would have no relation to Piccolo, they'd just be mysterious objects that crashed close to Pillaf. The curse would be broken after Goku goes SSJ4 for the first time.

5- That alien mercenary (Ridgic or something) would become a recurring rival for Goku during the space travels, and a supporting character in the later sagas. He could even get some kind of enhancement from Myuu.

6- Baby would possess Ultimate Gohan as his final host, and would kill Vegeta. I just thought his whole hate for Goku was rather misplaced. The series generally would still go on in the same way.

7-Uub would get some kind of power up after he remembered his past as Majin Buu and "fused" with Kid Buu in his mind- that'd replace his Baby Saga power up. The Majin Buu/Uub fusion would only happen in the Super 17 Saga, and he'd be the one to kill Super 17, rather than Goku.

8-Super 17 would be the fusion of 17 with Myuu's technology rather than the fusion of 2 17s.

9- The 7 Dragons would appear after the Black Star Dragon Balls fused with the original Dragon Balls of Earth (when the dragon is summoned after the Super 17 Saga). The whole backstory of evil energy would be kept, only, they'd be attracted to that power, rather than created by it.

10-Every hero that ever appeared in Dragon Ball would fight against the Dragons, kind of like how almost every past villain appeared in the Super 17 Saga, even if they had no speaking parts.

11-I'd also keep 4 star dragon around longer, and even fuse him with some other character, like Goten, Gohan or Uub.

12-I'd generally keep the ending the same, Goku defeating the final Dragon with a miracle, though I wouldn't have a Vegeta Jr. at the epilogue, only Goku Jr. fighting some generic, but serious looking, opponent.

-However, having complete creative freedom, I'd probably go with something extremely different from GT, the only idea that could be reused would be the evil dragons, but even them would be really different.

well what made me watch "GT" the most was the last 2 episodes of Dragon ball Z and Movie 13. I felt that I wanted to know more of these characters. The Bebi saga set up all the characters very well and had some great moments, but a few bad ones too. I hated when Bebi Vegeta just absorbs Ki from the other warriors. It was so much bad writting.
But I would have kept the Bebi saga as it was and made the Super 17/Dragon saga completely different.

- I would have explained more about SSJ4
- Akira always made something new/strange in the sagas to keep dragon ball Fresh
- Saiyans- made Heaven
- Frieza- in space
- Android/Cyborg- Absorbing/Time travel
- Buu- no rules in logic and fusion.

But Bebi and Super 17/Dragons was the same we had seen before. So I would have added something new in spirit/idea of the original dragon ball.

- Also would have changed the last saga completely. No red ribbon at all, no hell villains because it kills the idea of the Android saga as the end of Red Ribbon.

- I can see that they were looking at the 1 villain that was not solved in "Z" (17). But I would go with a new villain or come with something more original. It is hard to think of a new villain as strong as the saiyan warriors, but it can be done.

- Make Goku an adult, I could not take Goku vs. Super 17 in serious way because he was a small boy.
- Also Akira meant to have Uub as important, so I would not change that as TOEI did. Uub should be more developed and the winner of the last fight.
- Also Akira made Goku and Vegeta friendly rivals by the end. So they should be good friends and it should be made important to develop the theme even more.


The main problem of GT is that it ignored many things Akira worked hard to create in the Buu saga (Gohan as strongest, Goku/Vegeta relationship, future of Uub).

[Rory]

Well, it's implied that SSj4 was much stronger than anything previous. Goku was practically helpless against Babi-Vegeta at SSj3 (child-sized effectiveness issues aside) but with SSj4, the tables weren't just turned; they were freakin' flipped over and tossed away. I mean, Babi's punches tickled Goku, for Pete's sake. That's got to say something.[/i]

Well, I still belive the transition from normal (Completely worn out) Goku to Super Saiya-Jin is greater, at one point Goku allows Freeza to hit Goku in the face with a death beam, and it doesn't even phase him, he just has that grin on his face.

[caejones]

By GT, we had a lot of characters that just kind of disappeared. With the whole 7 dragons thing, we have reasons to explore parts of the world we had no reason to visit before, and prolong what's going on there, whereas in the latter half of Z, it was like, "We need dragonBalls, and we're fast and strong, so we can do this in a few hours instead of having a saga built around it". Naturally that potential was wasted... and it could have allowed us to resolve a lot of things for a lot of "behind" characters.

Egh, more, but everyone else will probably cover it better, so I'm done.

[Aoi]

If anyone has any questions maybe we can answer them.

Okay then. Where is the soundtrack to the Japanese GT series?

Hmm, I imagine TOEI must have something on their website for sale like this. Also old music stores in Japan.

[Aoi]

For me I believe "GT" was going very well from the start until the Bebi saga ends. It did not have as many plot holes as later saga but was very enjoyable and set up the characters to be explored. If you look close at the start of Dragon ball Z, it did not develop Vegeta or Gohan too much either.

I always got this feeling watching "DBGT" in that the show was suposed to go for maybe 150 episodes or more. But what happened at the end was that after episode 40 TOEI said: "Ok, we are not getting ratings so we will give you 20 episodes to finish the show (nothing for dragon ball). So the creators threw away all development and did 1 final story full of fighting and action and poor writting and plot holes. That is why people hate Dragon ball GT. But if it would have gone more as original plan, I know 100% that characters like Uub and Goten would have become much more important later on as they were only reintroduced in the Bebi saga (even then Uub had an important role in the fight with Bebi by saving Goku at the end from insinde Bebi).