"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Future Trunks was 14 years old at the time of Gohan's death. Present Trunks is, what, 8-9 years old? Of course, Present Trunks would still be midget in this case...

[fadeddreams5]

Future Trunks was 14 years old at the time of Gohan's death. Present Trunks is, what, 8-9 years old? Of course, Present Trunks would still be midget in this case...

In the Buu saga. Unless I'm mistaken, isn't he supposed to be 12-14 atm? How much time has passed since Buu?

[Grimlock]

Six years has passed since Buu saga, we're now in AGE ~780. Present Trunks' age is the same Future Trunks was when Future Gohan died.

[Bansho64]

Goten and Trunks needs to have that growth spurt any time now! Even Gohan in the Cell Games had some considerably big muscles and he was only 9-10 years old!

[precita]

Maron isn't aging either. Why does she still look 2-3 years old? She's a normal human so it doesn't make sense.

[Avok]

Maron isn't aging either. Why does she still look 2-3 years old? She's a normal human so it doesn't make sense.

They either forgot or think we'll forget.

I don't know the reasoning to have the don't characters aging. Krillin changes clothes and hair, Bulma too.

The fact that these characters don't change ( in fact, they are literaly smaller than they were before) is one of the things I hate the most about Super. It's such a tiny detail, but it speaks volumes about Toei / the people in charge.

[HeroR]

Maron isn't aging either. Why does she still look 2-3 years old? She's a normal human so it doesn't make sense.

They either forgot or think we'll forget.

I don't know the reasoning to have the don't characters aging. Krillin changes clothes and hair, Bulma too.

The fact that these characters don't change ( in fact, they are literaly smaller than they were before) is one of the things I hate the most about Super. It's such a tiny detail, but it speaks volumes about Toei / the people in charge.

Why Toei? Isn't Toriyama equally at fault for not sending in new character designs? He had no problem updating Bulma's look every arc.

And Toriyama is the same person who kept Goku and Krillin the size of a shrimp until he was 18. He also kept Maron, Trunks, and Goten the same size when he send designs for Battle of Gods, and that took place four to five years after Buu. What about Chaozu who literally looks the same as he did when he was introduced.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Maron isn't aging either. Why does she still look 2-3 years old? She's a normal human so it doesn't make sense.

They either forgot or think we'll forget.

I don't know the reasoning to have the don't characters aging. Krillin changes clothes and hair, Bulma too.

The fact that these characters don't change ( in fact, they are literaly smaller than they were before) is one of the things I hate the most about Super. It's such a tiny detaibut it speaks volumes about Toei / the people in charge.

Does such detail really matter to the quality of animation and writing?
What difference it makes a character being drawn as 1,7m tall instead of 1,69m(just for example sake)?

What's the problem in them not caring about such details speaks negatively about them? Is it wrong for an animator at toei drawing a Goku with 1 spike less on either of his side of his head(example sake)?

[Avok]

Maron isn't aging either. Why does she still look 2-3 years old? She's a normal human so it doesn't make sense.

They either forgot or think we'll forget.

I don't know the reasoning to have the don't characters aging. Krillin changes clothes and hair, Bulma too.

The fact that these characters don't change ( in fact, they are literaly smaller than they were before) is one of the things I hate the most about Super. It's such a tiny detail, but it speaks volumes about Toei / the people in charge.

Why Toei? Isn't Toriyama equally at fault for not sending in new character designs? He had no problem updating Bulma's look every arc.

And Toriyama is the same person who kept Goku and Krillin the size of a shrimp until he was 18. He also kept Maron, Trunks, and Goten the same size when he send designs for Battle of Gods, and that took place four to five years after Buu. What about Chaozu who literally looks the same as he did when he was introduced.

Chaozu is a white floating thing, I guess he gets a pass.

Yeah, Toriyama is equally at fault, but I don't thing he's into the characters age or when do these events take place. He's just providing character designs and plot elements. The people at Toei are the ones developing and expanding these things, so they should correct whatever error Toriyama makes.

The fact that Goku or Krillin didn't grew up is irrelevant. Future Trunks was bigger than Present Trunks, around the same age. Goten is literally smaller than he was in the Buu Saga.

I don't think that in a company everybody can be blind or has that bad memory to not know that they should look older. I'm of the opinion that Toei is one of the worst anime studios out there, but even among them there should be people that know how the characters should look, so I'm sure this is a deliberate thing. The reasoning? That, I don't know.

Does such detail really matter to the quality of animation and writing?
What difference it makes a character being drawn as 1,7m tall instead of 1,69m(just for example sake)?

What's the problem in them not caring about such details speaks negatively about them? Is it wrong for an animator at toei drawing a Goku with 1 spike less on either of his side of his head(example sake)?

Little design details such as the ones you mention are undestandable, because at the end of the day the animators are people and such things can happen for whatever reason.

This is not the case.

Compare this to this: 1 - 2 - 3.
How is this equal to a difference of 1 cm, or adding/removing one spike?

This is a deliberate act. I suppose that the idea is that if they make them grow people will not like them anymore or something silly like that.

You ask that what's the problem in such tiny detail... Well, when you're creating a story, the utmost goal must be that it is cohesive and logic. This goes from the plot and the inner rules of the world you're creating, to the character designs and what they say/how they act.

For a series to be good you need to take into considerationt these little things. If not, you're not creating a proper series, and that's what Super is, a money grabber.

[Sodhi]

Someone just someone in the toei should grow a pair and tell toriyama about these things. Just be polite about it.

[HeroR]

Chaozu is a white floating thing, I guess he gets a pass.

Yeah, Toriyama is equally at fault, but I don't thing he's into the characters age or when do these events take place. He's just providing character designs and plot elements. The people at Toei are the ones developing and expanding these things, so they should correct whatever error Toriyama makes.

The fact that Goku or Krillin didn't grew up is irrelevant. Future Trunks was bigger than Present Trunks, around the same age. Goten is literally smaller than he was in the Buu Saga.

I don't think that in a company everybody can be blind or has that bad memory to not know that they should look older. I'm of the opinion that Toei is one of the worst anime studios out there, but even among them there should be people that know how the characters should look, so I'm sure this is a deliberate thing. The reasoning? That, I don't know.


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edit: Replying to the post above. Give me a minute.

Correcting errors in a script is one thing, but Toei has never updated or changed character designs without the author's permission. In fact, no animated studio does that if the author is still alive. Even with GT all the earlier character designs were done by Toriyama, including Vegeta's infamous mustache.

Also, different Trunks, different eras. So you can hand wave why Trunks doesn't grow the same way as his present counterpart. Goten is smaller, but that depends on the artist too, especially since everyone in Super looks younger. Look at Future Bulma compared how she was in Z.

Sounds to me that you're bitter than Toei won't do Toriyama's work.

Someone just someone in the toei should grow a pair and tell toriyama about these things. Just be polite about it.

And Toriyama can tell them to go f-ck off. He certainly did when his editors didn't want Goku to grow up from a little kid and Toei wanted him to considered a replacement for Nozawa given her age. When Toei asked him for a new Dragon Ball series years ago, Toriyama said no. At this point, no one can tell Toriyama what to do. If he doesn't want to age Trunks, Goten, or Marron, he's not going to.

[Zephyr]

Maron isn't aging either. Why does she still look 2-3 years old? She's a normal human so it doesn't make sense.

As someone who is annoyed by the lack of her aging as time goes on, I really wouldn't call her a normal human.

Exhibit A: Her father (from whom 50% of her genetic makeup derives)
[spoiler][/spoiler]
He has no nose (so he can't smell!)...
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... riyama-qa/

...and so he is able to breath through his skin...

[spoiler][/spoiler]
...although he finds a way!
Pretty sure this one's just filler and/or a gag, but it's still funny to bring up.

Exhibit B: Marron herself

She has no nose, so she (presumably) can't smell. Chances are, she also inherited the idiosyncrasy allowing her to breathe through her skin. But then she...grows a nose!?

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Yeah, as dumb as it is that she's still basically a toddler, she's pretty fucking weird already.

[Kagari]

No I mean a a whole episode dedicated to flashbacks from the Trunks special. :p

Again that wouldn't make much sense if they're trying to move the plot forward. As it stands, Trunks and co. have been sitting in the same spot for about 3 episodes now. They're going to have to do other things at some point and Trunks will likely want to meet up with the rest of the cast, hence episode 52's title. There's no reason for them to recap stuff we saw during the Trunks special since it's not relevant to the current situation.

[Avok]

Also, different Trunks, different eras. So you can hand wave why Trunks doesn't grow the same way as his present counterpart.

That's just plain non-sense. They're the same people so they should look/grow the same.

Sounds to me that you're bitter than Toei won't do Toriyama's work.

What's this suppose to mean?
I'm bitter that they don't care about logic and cohesiveness. I can't stand series where the writes do whatever they want just because.

This trend of blaming Toriyama for everything should stop. It's not like he's this huge dictator that doesn't allow corrections or comments. He created the plot of this arc with the help of Toei. He made changes to the manga all the time when the editor(s) told him to.

[Lord Beerus]

[spoiler][/spoiler]
...although he finds a way!
Pretty sure this one's just filler and/or a gag, but it's still funny to bring up.

For the record, that wasn't filler. He actually smells the diamond after Bulma pulls it out of her pants in the manga, too.

[Zephyr]

That's pretty amazing, then. Thanks for the clarification.

[danielsan_190196]

Dragon Ball Super - Toonami Asia promo in Taiwanese Chinese.

[Xeztin]

Dragon Ball Super - Toonami Asia promo in Taiwanese Chinese.

Wait it's on Cartoon Network?!

[ryou766]

Dragon Ball Super - Toonami Asia promo in Taiwanese Chinese.

Taiwan's CN seems a lot better than our American CN.

[kinisking]

I feel like a lot of the minor complaints are toriyamas fault. I wouldnt be surprised if trunks blue hair and goku being even more battle hungry than before are all toriyamas fault because toei is trying to make him happy. It being the goku and vegeta show almost definitely is. Toriyama isn't without sin.