"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Kagari]

I feel like a lot of the minor complaints are toriyamas fault. I wouldnt be surprised if trunks blue hair and goku being even more battle hungry than before are all toriyamas fault because toei is trying to make him happy. It being the goku and vegeta show almost definitely is. Toriyama isn't without sin.

This part seems odd because DB/Z most definitely wasn't really one-sided though. Most of the cast actually did things there under Toriyama's direction.

[kinisking]

I feel like a lot of the minor complaints are toriyamas fault. I wouldnt be surprised if trunks blue hair and goku being even more battle hungry than before are all toriyamas fault because toei is trying to make him happy. It being the goku and vegeta show almost definitely is. Toriyama isn't without sin.

This part seems odd because DB/Z most definitely wasn't really one-sided though. Most of the cast actually did things there under Toriyama's direction.

I honestly wonder how much he likes doing this. Sometimes it feels like he's just doing the bare minimum. Maybe he thinks it's easier to just have goku and vegeta doing everything. Honestly what we have now is worse than a true goku and vegeta show. It's mostly a goku show featuring vegeta. Vegeta only looks more prominent because he's the only real side character. Everyone else can barely be considers that.

[Zephyr]

I feel like a large aspect of Toriyama's old writing style is inextricably connected to his old writing environment. And by that I mean the kind of conditions he was in while writing the story. Writing it week by week, bit by bit, on the seat of his pants, writing himself into corners as he went, and being forced to improvise each time.

With the current batch of material, he's likely able to plan things out in an arc, from beginning to end, and do precisely what he wants how he wants to do it (in however vague of detail). He's not crafting the story organically and letting it evolve slowly anymore. I think character usage differences are in large part (at least on Toriyama's end, where merch pushing isn't likely the prime concern) the result of him not forcing himself to need to use anyone else. He's playing it incredibly safe by being able to plan ahead.

If he wrote the Buu arc in this current environment, he would have planned how Gohan would start out, and he would plan an end for him, and fill in all of the key details he cared about before sending it in. If he wrote the Cell arc this way, Gohan wouldn't even be guaranteed to have saved the day, since Gero was Toriyama's planned big-bad of the arc.

[Nejishiki]

What you have to say does carry some merit. It makes me wonder how he drafts his outlines these days. Does he still contact his trusted editors? He's no longer in the dark alongside his readers as he was once proud of. It also seems he wants to push Toyotaro to be more loose with his own interpretation, as if he's becoming the editor now.

[alakazam^]

Future Trunks was 14 years old at the time of Gohan's death. Present Trunks is, what, 8-9 years old? Of course, Present Trunks would still be midget in this case...

In the Buu saga. Unless I'm mistaken, isn't he supposed to be 12-14 atm? How much time has passed since Buu?

We still don't know that but at least 1-2 years have passed.

[HEDGESMFG]

So I'm not sure if anyone else discussed this during the con, but at Anime Expo, there was a Toei booth there. The both was showing the raw unsubbed Super episode 1, and had a section for Dragon Ball Super, One Piece and Sailor Moon Crystal Infinity Arc.

It was a shot in the dark, but I decided to ask the employees there if they knew anything about the state of localizing Super, particularly streaming rights. Much to my surprise, they said they are actively in negotiations, but that the goal is to get it official livesub streamed and when that gets announced, they would simply catch up and release the backlog of catalog episodes all at once.

I realize I am just some random person from the web, but I've been the kind of guy that approaches each company and asks them hard and fast questions for quite some time, so I always try to get the most important info whenever I'm at a major con (I asked at the official sunrise panel about animating more works based off of gundam manga that a lot of fans have wanted, for example). This was the first time I've heard a major positive answer regarding an upcoming release for Super.

tl;dr Super streaming rights are currently being actively negotiated, and those negotiations will hopefully come to an end soon. Things ARE happening behind the scenes.

[Chuquita]

Woah; livesubs?! Even One Piece makes you wait an hour for official subs. Impressive if they can pull it off (though the quality of the subs is a factor. Would it be actual Funi subs or Toei's subs ala Crystal?)

[dbzfan7]

I'd pay for an official subscription service to get live subs. I think there's money in that.

[TheMikado]

I feel like a lot of the minor complaints are toriyamas fault. I wouldnt be surprised if trunks blue hair and goku being even more battle hungry than before are all toriyamas fault because toei is trying to make him happy. It being the goku and vegeta show almost definitely is. Toriyama isn't without sin.

This part seems odd because DB/Z most definitely wasn't really one-sided though. Most of the cast actually did things there under Toriyama's direction.

I honestly wonder how much he likes doing this. Sometimes it feels like he's just doing the bare minimum. Maybe he thinks it's easier to just have goku and vegeta doing everything. Honestly what we have now is worse than a true goku and vegeta show. It's mostly a goku show featuring vegeta. Vegeta only looks more prominent because he's the only real side character. Everyone else can barely be considers that.

I was thinking this as well, but the reasons other's gave after you are also as reasonable.

[Anime Kitten]

By the way, no one has said this yet, so...

Today is Super's birthday!

I can't speak for everyone here, but I hope that, for however long the show goes on for, that it continues (yep, I said it) to deliver greatness! And hopefully a dub soon.

[ekrolo2]

By the way, no one has said this yet, so...

Today is Super's birthday!

I can't speak for everyone here, but I hope that, for however long the show goes on for, that it continues (yep, I said it) to deliver greatness! And hopefully a dub soon.

I'm half kidding of course

If the show gets better story wise it can keep going on for a while still but honestly, if it never got made we wouldn't have lost anything of value.

[kinisking]

I disagree. This show has filled me with hype and has brightened up my Saturdays. I would definitely have lost something of value. Happy brothers super. May you last a long time

[dbgtFO]

Yeah, a happy first anniversary for DB Super!
It started off middling, then regressed a lot with the RoF arc, before picking up the pieces with a low stakes tournament arc, before finally showing some promise with this new Future Trunks Arc! Hopefully by the next anniversary it'd have scored more than 5/10 on my personal ratings

[Lujin_16]

By the way, no one has said this yet, so...

Today is Super's birthday!

I can't speak for everyone here, but I hope that, for however long the show goes on for, that it continues (yep, I said it) to deliver greatness! And hopefully a dub soon.

Damn 1 year I have a feeling that Super goes really long and 2020 are the olympics in Japan maybe they will do something with Dragonball Super promotion

[TheMikado]

Happy Birthday!



[spoiler]But seriously this is one of the reasons I dislike Super...[/spoiler]

[Lujin_16]

Happy Birthday!



[spoiler]But seriously this is one of the reasons I dislike Super...[/spoiler]

Vegeta has changed and it is good so otherwise it will be boring

[kinisking]

Happy Birthday!



[spoiler]But seriously this is one of the reasons I dislike Super...[/spoiler]

Vegeta has changed and it is good so otherwise it will be boring

I wasn't going to say anything in response to him because people like him have already had time to realize this is character development. They've been told over and over again why it makes sense. If they don't like it by now, then they never will. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to be offensive. I think it's okay to dislike something even if it makes sense for the story. For example, I don't like how gohan has completely devoted himself to studying. But on to my personal opinion about this gif. I agree, he did it for the right causes. It's not like vegetas goofy all the time. Only when it's for the things thst matters most. Surpassing goku and his family's survival.

[Nejishiki]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[spoiler]But seriously this is one of the reasons I dislike Super...[/spoiler]

Excuse me, but the gif you posted was from the 2013 film Battle of Gods, not Dragon Ball Super. The anime's adaption had Vegeta cook takoyaki for Beerus.

[Anime Kitten]

Excuse me, but the gif you posted was from the 2013 film Battle of Gods, not Dragon Ball Super. The anime's adaption had Vegeta cook for Beerus.

Haha, I was gonna mention that, but I was like, "Whatever..."

[kinisking]

I don't think he cares where it's from. He was probably just referencing vegetas goofiness in both which he doesn't like.