Another question about UK DBZ

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:06 pm

How is the censoring if any for the UK version? I'm asking since I know how they can get about violence over ther, like parts of PG and PG-13 rated movies getting cut out and as they called it, "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles".

Ryu · Post by **Ryu** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:35 pm

The Ocean dub follows tighter guidelines. The scripts are mostly the same, but they change it where they feel the language is too strong I guess. An example off the top of my head is when Gohan was facing Super Buu, Funi version was "I’m going to kill you" and the Ocean version was "I’m going to destroy you."

Now for the other part of the editing of the show. Where they feel the show is getting a bit mature i.e. Master Roshi feeling up Android 18, or the dinosaur saying hello to Bulma in that same episode, it's edited out. (Later on in another episode the bath scene where Gotenks appears was also edited out).

Also, I think the opening action sequences of the Kid Buu v Super Saiyan 3 Goku in the Minute of Desperation episode was edited out.

The only thing the Ocean dub is better than the Funi. version is that they have better Voice actors e.g. Piccolo, Cell and Vegeta.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:42 pm

They may have "better voice actors" (or rather, in most cases, the voice actors many people were first exposed to and therefore have a biased affection towards)...

... but from what I've heard/seen, they're directed like ASS. I know that Brian Drummond and Scott McNeil are leaps and bounds better than what I've heard in the later Ocean DBZ dubs.

And for the record, I thought Dameon Clarke was the shiznit.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 4:32 pm

Is that good or bad?

Who is he anyway? I want to say Adult Gohan in the Trunks TV special and Cell (both for FUNi) but I'm not sure.

Our censorship laws are a bit more complicated that the US's. Generally, we're tighter on violence but looser on sex and language. Cuts that get made to films aren't there because certain things are illegal. Rather, the film company wants the film to be released as a PG, but the film board gives it a 12A. So they cut stuff out. Something like Kill Bill was rated 18 over here, rather than the "R" it was in the US (which makes a lot of sense to me, since it's extremely violent).

Wth TV, it's often just a case of playing it safe. Things are inconsistent enough that it makes me think that some TV stations push the wire until they get a complaint, and then they pull back, while others play it safe from the beginning.

Censorship laws were revised in 2000 though, becoming a lot looser. Hence the current cartoon is called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

sailorspazz · Post by **sailorspazz** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 4:50 pm

Why would they not be allowed to say "ninja" in the first place, anyway? Is it because people may associate the word with assassins (woo, lots of asses!) and find the violent implications to be too strong? I mean, my first exposure to the word "ninja" WAS TMNT as a young girl, so there was nothing in my mind telling me that they should be assassinating people.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:03 pm

PsyLiam wrote:Who is he anyway? I want to say Adult Gohan in the Trunks TV special and Cell (both for FUNi) but I'm not sure.

Clarke? Yeah, that was him.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:23 pm

sailorspazz wrote:Why would they not be allowed to say "ninja" in the first place, anyway? Is it because people may associate the word with assassins (woo, lots of asses!) and find the violent implications to be too strong? I mean, my first exposure to the word "ninja" WAS TMNT as a young girl, so there was nothing in my mind telling me that they should be assassinating people.

You see, the germans are to be blamed for this. Bacjk in those days, they were really anal about everything that might have something to do with violence.

Ninjas are known for killing people, so ninja is a bad word. Blood is what appears when you hurt people, so blood is a bad word (Hence why Castlevania Bloodlines was released in Europe under a different name. Blood is evil.)

There are some other words too (like the game Contra being called Probotector in Europe, and the main characters were turned into robots.)

And so, snce the censors didn't want to make too many changes to their merchadise, they simply made an "European version" of everything the germans had a problem with. They suck, we suffer.

(Although I remember TMNT toys from my childhood. TMNT and TMHT were marketed as two different series. Yeah, it's weird.)

Epsilon Grey · Post by **Epsilon Grey** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:30 pm

Any idea as to why the difference in censorship laws?

Why are we Americans tough on sex but loose on violence?

Why are the Europeans flip-flopped? Two World Wars, perhaps?

Are we Americans afraid that if kiddies see boobies that we're going to over-fornicate and turn into China?

I've never understood. I suppose it's simply a difference in culture. The why, though, is probably a lengthy and complicated explanation.

*twitch*

--EG

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:59 pm

Adamant wrote:You see, the germans are to be blamed for this. Bacjk in those days, they were really anal about everything that might have something to do with violence.

Er, no. Germany does have very strict censorship laws (I don't think that you can actually buy Grand Theft Auto over there, for instance), but the whole "Ninja/Hero" thing comes from a specific UK embargo on certain things associated with ninjas. Nuchukas were also a forbidden item, and were usually cut out whenever Michaelangelo used them on the cartoon (or Panthro used his on Thundercats, to give another example).

I believe it comes from Bruce Lee. There might have been some sort of violent attack associated with his films, and that caused everyone to get all super-paranoid about stuff associated with him. I'm not sure, though.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 7:01 pm

Epsilon Grey wrote:Why are we Americans tough on sex but loose on violence?

Because violence is associated with guns, and every American has a constitutional right to have a gun, damnit.

Whereas sex is usually shown outside of a marriage, and is therefore against God. And is sick and wrong.

(And while I may be being a bit flippant there, words like "hell", "damn" and so on aren't anywhere near as bad over here as they are in the US, probably because of the lack of a hysterical religious right.)

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:07 pm

Epsilon Grey wrote:Any idea as to why the difference in censorship laws?

Why are we Americans tough on sex but loose on violence?

Why are the Europeans flip-flopped? Two World Wars, perhaps?

Are we Americans afraid that if kiddies see boobies that we're going to over-fornicate and turn into China?

I've never understood. I suppose it's simply a difference in culture. The why, though, is probably a lengthy and complicated explanation.

*twitch*

--EG

LOL. You guys make a lot of good points. Yeah our crazy religious right makes things bad for a lot of us. My dad is an ordained minister and he doesn't agree with them. Oh well, we have a crazy atheist left as well. Both sides piss me off, but I'm glad to hear you guys' feedback.

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:12 pm

Super Sonic wrote:LOL. You guys make a lot of good points. Yeah our crazy religious right makes things bad for a lot of us. My dad is an ordained minister and he doesn't agree with them. Oh well, we have a crazy atheist left as well. Both sides piss me off, but I'm glad to hear you guys' feedback.

Yeah, but the crazy atheist left doesn't spend much time censoring "objectionable material" on television.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:20 pm

I'm still trying to work out if Mike likes Dameon Clark or not.

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:23 pm

PsyLiam wrote:I'm still trying to work out if Mike likes Daemon Clarke or not.

Who doesn't? He's one of the best voice actors featured in the FUNimation dub.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat May 01, 2004 10:34 am

PsyLiam wrote:I'm still trying to work out if Mike likes Dameon Clark or not.

No no, I really do. I'm not being sarcastic. I thought he was phenomenal.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sat May 01, 2004 12:32 pm

I can't tell which is more evil, his Toguro or Cell.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Sat May 01, 2004 12:38 pm

Super Sonic wrote:I can't tell which is more evil, his Toguro or Cell.

Wait, which Togurou? Ani or Otouto?

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Sat May 01, 2004 1:45 pm

Younger Toguro, and yes id say Clarke is the best Funi actor next to Justin Cook or Stephony Nadoly

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sat May 01, 2004 2:31 pm

Did he do all the forms of Cell for the FUNi dub? I've only heard his first form Cell, and I can't really remember it. I think the same guy does all of the OG Cell's forms, and he's quite good.

I do remember Clark in "The History of Trunks" though, and I thought he did a great job making his voice sound like Schemmel's Goku, while still different. I wonder if he'd have been a better Goku than Schemmel, come to that...

I'd certainly put him up there with Johnson and Nadonly. What voices does Justin Cook do again?

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat May 01, 2004 4:06 pm

Cook does the older Dende, and also Yusuke in Yu Yu Hakusho. And lots of other things.

Kanzenshuu

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