kinisking wrote:A lot of bulma shots looked worse in the blu ray.
Wonder why they focused on her when the fight was what needed it
I don't think Bulma's shots look worse, just different and not in a bad way. Both versions are acceptable.
I agree the fight should be their priority. It's a waste fix something that looked okay, while stuff like this remains:
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With one month delay I expected more from them. Let's see if they bothered with Champa arc, since that one doesn't have any movie to back it up.
A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.
Favourite old DB Animators: Masaki Sato and Tadayoshi Yamamuro
Favourite new DB Animators: Yuya Takahashi and Chikashi Kubota
Just a reminder that these are being corrected by animators who are still working on the show. All of these changes are quick fix-ups that they're trying to squeeze in while also animating brand new content.
Ask yourself this: would you rather they spend time reanimating episodes that have perfectly serviceable movie counterparts at the cost of the quality of upcoming episodes, or would you rather they fix up minor things here and there that help for an overall more consistent episode without risking their current projects?
I think the answer is pretty obvious.
Considering Box 2 has zero corrections, I'll take what we can get. There are only around two fixes that I think are arguably worse, the rest are absolutely fine. I think my favourite change is the Freeza frame with the giant tail.
And uh, nitpicky comment: Flash is a tool. This was done in Flash. It's not necessarily always amateur work.
Pretty big focus on the cutaways in this episode. Bulma is redrawn in just about every single scene.
Much like episode 5, many of the corrections involve slight tweaks and the addition of highlights and properly placed shadows.
Interestingly, you can see Naoki Tate has reanimated a few sections for better impact or flow.
Looks to be only touched by Takeo Ide and Naoki Tate.
Going to examine 26 now. Just taking it an episode at a time.
The fix ups for some of the very ugly moments in the SSJB Goku/Golden Freeza are very much appreciated. It's a shame most of touch up were done for Bulma specifically, even though she was already relatively fine in the TV version.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Ajay wrote:And uh, nitpicky comment: Flash is a tool. This was done in Flash. It's not necessarily always amateur work.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Thank you so damn much for making this comment. I really don't like it when people using Flash as a derogatory term in relation to amateur or bad animation. Like as if it's at the bottom of the totem pole in regards to animation. Using Flash as a tool can give you fantastic results with the right animators and a good amount of time. Just like in the example you gave with PreCure.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
The broadcast version looks awful. It looks like Goku's doing a dance. The Blu-Ray version at least has Goku in a more natural fighting stance.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Ajay wrote:Just a reminder that these are being corrected by animators who are still working on the show. All of these changes are quick fix-ups that they're trying to squeeze in while also animating brand new content.
Ask yourself this: would you rather they spend time reanimating episodes that have perfectly serviceable movie counterparts at the cost of the quality of upcoming episodes, or would you rather they fix up minor things here and there that help for an overall more consistent episode without risking their current projects?
I think the answer is pretty obvious.
Considering Box 2 has zero corrections, I'll take what we can get. There are only around two fixes that I think are arguably worse, the rest are absolutely fine. I think my favourite change is the Freeza frame with the giant tail.
And uh, nitpicky comment: Flash is a tool. This was done in Flash. It's not necessarily always amateur work.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
I know, I know.
I was just poiting that the problem wasn't the art per se (unlike majority of the show) but the boring and amateurish nature of the fight- the storyboards if you would...
What's the point in wasting resources and manpower in fixing some shots of Bulma talking? If they were from the U6 arc I get it, but there is a movie covering the RoF events. It's redundant, and on top of that they're corrections made in a hurry, so they just look equally bad or just slightly better.
And about the Flash thing, you know I was refering to the kind of fan-made animation that's so popular on YouTube and such. No need to be that specific.
[quote="Ajay"]Just a reminder that these are being corrected by animators who are still working on the show. All of these changes are quick fix-ups that they're trying to squeeze in while also animating brand new content.
Ask yourself this: would you rather they spend time reanimating episodes that have perfectly serviceable movie counterparts at the cost of the quality of upcoming episodes, or would you rather they fix up minor things here and there that help for an overall more consistent episode without risking their current projects?
Obvious the latter but to say "perfectly serviceable movie counterparts" comes across as total fanboyism the arc was throughout bad it had no "perfectly serviceable movie counterparts" , no one with a neutral view will say man let me go and see ROF arc again...
Shuby wrote:Obvious the latter but to say "perfectly serviceable movie counterparts" comes across as total fanboyism the arc was throughout bad it had no "perfectly serviceable movie counterparts" , no one with a neutral view will say man let me go and see ROF arc again...
Uh, what?
I think you misunderstand me. I'm not calling Super's telling good, I'm saying the movie version (the movie counterpart, as I said) is perfectly serviceable.
Ajay wrote:Just a reminder that these are being corrected by animators who are still working on the show. All of these changes are quick fix-ups that they're trying to squeeze in while also animating brand new content.
Ask yourself this: would you rather they spend time reanimating episodes that have perfectly serviceable movie counterparts at the cost of the quality of upcoming episodes, or would you rather they fix up minor things here and there that help for an overall more consistent episode without risking their current projects?
Obvious the latter but to say "perfectly serviceable movie counterparts" comes across as total fanboyism the arc was throughout bad it had no "perfectly serviceable movie counterparts" , no one with a neutral view will say man let me go and see ROF arc again...
Uh, by movie counterparts, I'm pretty sure that Mr. Ajay is referring to the RoF movie, not the arc
Shuby wrote:Obvious the latter but to say "perfectly serviceable movie counterparts" comes across as total fanboyism the arc was throughout bad it had no "perfectly serviceable movie counterparts" , no one with a neutral view will say man let me go and see ROF arc again...
Uh, what?
I think you misunderstand me. I'm not calling Super's telling good, I'm saying the movie version (the movie counterpart, as I said) is perfectly serviceable.
Ajay wrote:There are no changes to 26. Not that anything but the scenes after the eyecatch actually needed it.
Still don't see how that's "ugly art", but whatever. Not getting into that argument again.
That's a shame, I think 26 could have used some touch ups, 33 as well.
Anyways, I'm interested to see if the upcoming Ishikawa episode has him working with Tate again or if Tate has a little more time. I hope they shift into a 7 week rotation, assuming the schedule is now in a place where that would actually be beneficial.
I want it to go like this
1- Kitano
2- Yashima
3- Ishikawa
4- Shimanuki
5- Tate
6- Onishi
7- Karasawa
With the show's other supervisors working with these 7 and then others pop in completely separate from these seven from time to time and they reshuffle these 7 a bit when they want a specific person to handle an episode.
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kinisking wrote:A lot of bulma shots looked worse in the blu ray.
Wonder why they focused on her when the fight was what needed it
I don't think Bulma's shots look worse, just different and not in a bad way. Both versions are acceptable.
I agree the fight should be their priority. It's a waste fix something that looked okay, while stuff like this remains:
[spoiler] [/spoiler]
With one month delay I expected more from them. Let's see if they bothered with Champa arc, since that one doesn't have any movie to back it up.
Agree, they should definitely double check their priorities when correcting
ryou766 wrote:Stance, yes. Hair style and facial expression, I don't see the problem.
Goku's face looks very derpish in the TV version. The hair, I actually don't mind in either version.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Time to eat back my own words. When I first heard the Yoka Yoka Dance track, I thought it wouldn't fit Super. But the portion of the track they played along with the new animated ending really worked well.
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ArchedThunder wrote:
Anyways, I'm interested to see if the upcoming Ishikawa episode has him working with Tate again or if Tate has a little more time. I hope they shift into a 7 week rotation, assuming the schedule is now in a place where that would actually be beneficial.
I want it to go like this
1- Kitano
2- Yashima
3- Ishikawa
4- Shimanuki
5- Tate
6- Onishi
7- Karasawa
With the show's other supervisors working with these 7 and then others pop in completely separate from these seven from time to time and they reshuffle these 7 a bit when they want a specific person to handle an episode.
I think they are kinda doing that. The first 4 guys you mentioned are gonna be supervising the next 4 episodes. They can do that but the only stumbling block is that the schedule is still a bit tight and we have multiple people working on a single episode. But on a second note, we already have had 5 new Supervisors since the Potafeau mini filler arc (including Onishi), plus some other non regulars who have worked previously. So they can deal with it as well.
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