The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[RandomGuy96]

Freeza's death ball that destroyed planet Vegeta vs the death star II's full power beam. Which ones stronger?

Freeza's Death Ball. By a lot.

[Bullza]

Team GT vs Team Super in a tournament similar to the Universe 6 arc.

Team GT in order

Rildo, Golden Oozaru Baby, Super 17, Eis Shenron and Omega Shenron

Team Super in order

Frost, Black, Golden Frieza, Hit and Beerus

How does it play out starting with Rildo vs Frost.

[Pocket-God]

Team GT vs Team Super in a tournament similar to the Universe 6 arc.

Team GT in order

Rildo, Golden Oozaru Baby, Super 17, Eis Shenron and Omega Shenron

Team Super in order

Frost, Black, Golden Frieza, Hit and Beerus

How does it play out starting with Rildo vs Frost.

Rildo wrecks Frost easy peasy, then Black...I dunno he didn't really seem very impressive but that could've been because of the time ring, also is this Base Rildo or his strongest form? if it's the latter then Rildo stomps if it's the former I'll say Black wins. Golden Oozaru Bebi then one-shots everyone else on the Super team while Eis, Super 17 and Omega have tea and biscuits.

[Pantalones]

Team GT vs Team Super in a tournament similar to the Universe 6 arc.

Team GT in order

Rildo, Golden Oozaru Baby, Super 17, Eis Shenron and Omega Shenron

Team Super in order

Frost, Black, Golden Frieza, Hit and Beerus

How does it play out starting with Rildo vs Frost.

Rilldo is "maybe even more powerful than Majin Buu," so even at his weakest possible level he should be able to beat some of Frost's forms. If not all of them, considering that Goku only used regular Super Saiyan (not Blue) against him and -- more importantly -- Piccolo (who hasn't had any drastic power-ups since the Buu saga ended, just his regular gradual training gains) could keep up with a tired Frost and even had a chance of beating him with the Makankosappo. I'd say Rilldo beats Frost. At the very least his metal-transformation beam would cripple him, and I don't think Frost's poison would work on a mechanical being like Rilldo.

We don't know how powerful Black really is yet since it seemed that he and Goku were both sort of testing each other's power in their fight. We do know that his full power is too much for the same SSj2 Trunks who was a match for Goku, so presumably his full power at least surpasses the "regular" Super Saiyan forms even if it doesn't come near the level of the God forms. It also seems like he might get stronger as he fights strong opponents, but it's too soon to really guess for sure before we see more of him. Rilldo would probably beat Black at the level he showed against Goku recently, but since we don't know if that was his full power or if he was just testing himself against Goku rather than taking the fight seriously it's hard to say if Rilldo would have any chance against his full power. If his full power is SSj3 Goku level or beyond, Rilldo probably doesn't have much of a chance (assuming the Majin Buu he's compared to is either Fat Buu or Kid Buu, the last two that Goku would've seen and the two whose power he was most familiar with due to fighting them himself.)

Golden Freeza was stronger than SSj Blue Goku and Vegeta, who were apparently stronger than initial SSj God Goku was -- the form Goku was forced to use the ritual to take because even fusion with Vegeta definitely wouldn't have been enough to handle Beerus. Meanwhile, Goku's fusion with Vegeta has been said to be "perhaps even stronger than a SSj4." So... the fusion which was clearly inferior to SSj God is possibly stronger than Golden Oozaru Bebi-Vegeta, or around the same level considering that SSj4 Goku needed another bit of a boost to beat him. Yeah, Golden Freeza destroys Golden Oozaru Bebi-Vegeta just as easily as regular Freeza would've done to regular Oozaru Vegeta way back in the Saiyan Saga.

Eis Shenron doesn't fare much better. He might last longer, but not enough to make much of a difference. End result is still the same: Freeza destroys him effortlessly.

Omega Shenron is the tough one to figure out. Even in his starting form the final dragon was too much for "regular" SSj4 and Goku needed "full power/beyond limits" SSj4 to fight him... and then he supposedly gets ten times stronger when he becomes "Omega," to the point where even Goku and Vegeta working together as full-power SSj4s were getting the crap kicked out of them and they needed fusion (which results in a fighter "tens of times" stronger than the two who fused) to surpass him. That could put him high enough to surpass at least some of the God-level fighters in Super. Considering that, I'd say he should be able to win against Golden Freeza, though probably not without a fight. Freeza can't regenerate, though, so even if they're on about the same level I'd have to say Omega would win this one.

Hit on the other hand... he should be at or above Omega's level of power (anime version definitely above considering that he was able to stand up against Kaio-ken x10 SSj Blue Goku's attacks for a while... and even in the manga he was close to SSj Blue Goku who had trained with Vegeta quite a bit since the Freeza battle, so he should be at or above Golden Freeza's level regardless.) And with his time-skip ability he should be able to run circles around Omega, not even hardly giving the dragon a chance to fight back. The only problem is being able to overcome Omega's regeneration -- do Hit's "killing techniques" that he was holding back in the tournament include high-powered blasts or just more-lethal physical blows, I wonder? If he can blast Omega hard enough to overcome his regeneration, Hit certainly wins.

If Omega manages to beat Hit (likely by regenerating from his attacks and wearing him down over time), he comes up to Beerus and starts a "muwhahaha the whole universe will be destroyed by my evil energy" speech, during which Beerus yawns and blows him up effortlessly.

I figure out of all of GT only SSj4 Gogeta has any chance against Beerus or Whis. And probably not against Whis, especially considering that he's got the option to just go back 3 minutes and knock out Goku and Vegeta before they can fuse. XD

[Grimlock]

Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks vs Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta.

[Analytic]

Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks vs Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta.

Isn't Base Vegeta stronger than SS3 Gotenks? If so, Base Trunks should at least be close to that level, as ridiculous as it is. He would win against Majin Vegeta with ease.

[buutenks]

DB super(BoG) arc ssj3 goku runs the gauntlet:

Mr Buu(buu saga)
Kid Buu
Fat Buu
Super Buu
ssj3 gotenks(buu saga)
Mystic gohan
buutenks
buuhan

How far can goku get? He gets his stamina restored and wounds healed after each fight.

[Analytic]

DB super(BoG) arc ssj3 goku runs the gauntlet:

Mr Buu(buu saga)
Kid Buu
Fat Buu
Super Buu
ssj3 gotenks(buu saga)
Mystic gohan
buutenks
buuhan

He can beat the first three, but anyone after that would kill him with a threatening glare.

[ekrolo2]

Super Saiyan 4 Goku vs Super Saiyan Blue Goku, both have their Super base states.

Both can utilize KK to a level 10.

[Kaboom]

Pikkon vs. Dabura

If Paikuhan could take down Super Perfect Cell so easily, then there's no doubt he could beat a relative scrub like Dabra too.

Tien (buu saga) vs Goku (Super Saiyan on Namek)

Let's give Tenshinhan a few centuries of training in the afterlife and THEN he might catch up to Super Saiyan Goku in power. Until then, he's not even close. He never even surpassed Kuririn, and it'd be surprising if he or any of the other Earthlings ever even caught up to 1st-form Freeza. Tenshinhan stands no chance here; Even the Shin Kikoho would just push Goku around and make him mad while leaving Ten helpless.

Ten's match with Trunks in Movie 9 doesn't mean much.

Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks vs Super Saiyan Gohan (the one who fought against Dabra).

As far as I'm aware, we don't know enough about the circumstances of Trunks beating Dabra yet. Whether he had or used Super Saiyan 2 at the time is still a mystery.

Vegetto and Salza have equal power levels and both are dueling one another with their respective "bladed" attacks, the Salza Blade and the Spirit Sword: who wins?

I'm willing to bet that, even at equal power levels, Vegetto is a LOT better than Sauzer at amplifying and focusing his ki for that type of attack.

- SSJ Son Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Paikuhan (no Burning Shoot).
- SSJ Son Goku (Boo arc) vs. Perfect Cell.

- Who is the strongest character Ledgic could beat in the Manga?
- Who is the strongest character Tagoma (Super) could beat in the Manga?
- Who is the strongest character Ginyu-Tagoma could beat in the Manga?

— With or without his big amped attack, Paikuhan's probably still strong enough to beat regular SS Gohan. It might be a different story if Gohan was using SS2.
— Goku's improved a lot but not quite enough to match Cell's full power. This would go down a lot like their actual fight at the Cell Games.

— By GT logic, Redgic can beat everyone from Z because he was strong enough to coerce the almighty ~*~Base Kid Goku~*~ into transforming. By normal logic... he's just an exceptionally strong space-dude and it'd be a big surprise if he could stand up to 100% Freeza.
— Super. Don't care. Pass.
— Ditto.

Gohan doesn't seem to be a very skilled fighter. Let's test it. How far do you think he gets with power equalized? He is refreshed after every fight

He'd probably get past Future Trunks, and then be beaten by Kuririn or Tenshinhan. Those guys have both been dedicated martial artists all their lives, and know all about having to rely on skill when outclassed by strong opponents.

Equal power level fights :

- Kid Boo (can't absorb) vs. Nappa.
- Perfect Cell vs. Vegetto.
- Son Goten (25th Budokai) vs. Krillin (22nd Budokai).
- Super Oob (no Candy Beam) vs. Tenshinhan (ROF).
- Hirudegarn vs. Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan arc, tail can't be removed).

— Nappa's durable as all frig, but his stamina isn't anywhere near infinite, while Boo's is. Nappa is going to struggle to do any permanent damage to Boo, who's just going to have fun wearing him down and then going for the kill.
— Vegetto for sure. The guy is the perfect combination of Goku and Vegeta's skill and experience. He's going to win pretty much any equal-powers fight.
— Goten's rather creative, but Kuririn showed a lot of smart and quick battle thinking during the 22nd Tournament, and has a few more years of experience too. Goten's ability to fly might trip him up some, but I think Kuririn wins in the end.
— (Thank you for using "Super Oob" instead of "Majuub.") It's hard to tell, because Tenshinhan's got a lot of techniques, but so does Oob after merging with Boo. I guess I'll give it to Ten, as the more seasoned fighter who can adapt on the fly better. Like DanielSSJ said, all Ten needs to win is to land one Kikoho, and by this point he's proficient enough to pull off smaller ones quickly and easily (like when he deflected Gohan-Boo's blast).
— Oozaru Vegeta's going to get tripped up by Hirudegarn's intangibility trick, and even if he figures out its weakness I don't think he'll be quick enough to take advantage of it. His matching size will actually be a disadvantage, as he won't be able to dodge and counterattack like a smaller fighter could.

DB super(BoG) arc ssj3 goku runs the gauntlet:
How far can goku get? He gets his stamina restored and wounds healed after each fight.

You mean the regular, pre-god Goku who got his butt whooped by Beerus? With only ~5 years of moderate training, and not having surpassed Freeza in base yet, he wouldn't have increased all that much. So his ranking in the Boo-arc powers hasn't changed. He can still beat Fat Boo (albeit more easily now), and has probably gained enough of an extra edge over Pure Boo to win before SS3 drains him... but he still stands no chance against Evil Boo.

Super Saiyan 4 Goku vs Super Saiyan Blue Goku, both have their Super base states.
Both can utilize KK to a level 10.

Basically boils down to a "which is stronger: SS4 or SSB" question. I'm betting the godly forms are supposed to trump the mortal ones.

[apex_pretador]

Team GT vs Team Super in a tournament similar to the Universe 6 arc.

Team GT in order

Rildo, Golden Oozaru Baby, Super 17, Eis Shenron and Omega Shenron

Team Super in order

Frost, Black, Golden Frieza, Hit and Beerus

How does it play out starting with Rildo vs Frost.

Frost breezes his way through team GT, easily defeating rild & baby, then super 17 (depending upon if poison affects him) and beats eis shenron but loses to omega shenron, who I assume survives poison.
Black ?? Probably beats omega shenron quite easily.

If poison does not affect super 17 then he beats frost, black, golden freeza and might beat hit as well, but beerus flicks him out of the tournament, while doing the same to OS & Eis as well.

[MaxZ]

Team GT vs Team Super in a tournament similar to the Universe 6 arc.

Team GT in order

Rildo, Golden Oozaru Baby, Super 17, Eis Shenron and Omega Shenron

Team Super in order

Frost, Black, Golden Frieza, Hit and Beerus

How does it play out starting with Rildo vs Frost.

Beerus solos everyone on the GT team without lifting a finger. In fact, they all do except for Frost and Black.

[Bullza]

Well to answer my own question.

I'm not sure how the GT power levels compare to Super's but Rildo I suppose is about 50x as strong as Buu but considering Frost should be roughly SSJG level and above Vegito then he's probably stronger so I'd say he would probably win.

With how fast his energy goes down Golden Baby could probably beat him without too much trouble. Black should be SSJG level and nobody in GT like to be Universe level so he could probably beat the rest solo unless he gets tired and then Golden Frieza should have enough in him to beat the rest.

[Hellspawn28]

The Saiyan Civilizations (before Planet Vegeta was destoryed) vs. these Alien/Advance Civilizations in no real order:

- Aliens from Independence Day (Both the first movie and the sequel)
- Psychlos from Battlefield Earth
- Flood from Halo
- Yato Tribe from Gintama
- Irken from Invader Zim
- Klingons from Star Trek
- Romefeller Foundation from Gundam Wing
- Kryptonians from DC Comics
- Skrulls from Marvel Comics
- Daleks from Doctor Who

Rules:

- No outside help (No help from Freeza and his soliders)
- All Civilzations have all acess to their techologies

Which one can the Saiyans win and which civilzation can stop them?

[In Brightest Day]

If the following characters trained under Kami (and Mr. Popo) in preparation for the arrival of the Saiyans, how strong would each individual get based off where you would place them at the beginning of Z. Could any of these guys defeat (or at least pose a threat to) one of Vegeta and Nappa's Saibamen? The combatants are...

- Bora.
- Chi Chi.
- Cyborg Tao.
- King Chappa.
- Master Roshi.
- Namu.

How powerful would these guys be post training with Kami, in your opinion? Specific estimates would be cool.

[DanielSSJ]

If the following characters trained under Kami (and Mr. Popo) in preparation for the arrival of the Saiyans, how strong would each individual get based off where you would place them at the beginning of Z. Could any of these guys defeat (or at least pose a threat to) one of Vegeta and Nappa's Saibamen? The combatants are...

- Bora.
- Chi Chi.
- Cyborg Tao.
- King Chappa.
- Master Roshi.
- Namu.

How powerful would these guys be post training with Kami, in your opinion? Specific estimates would be cool.

- I don't think a year would be enough for Bora or Namu to get strong enough or proficient enough with Ki control to handle a Saibaiman.
- Chi Chi, Tao Pai Pai, and Chappa could at least stalemate a Saibaiman through intelligence and skill, even if their power is somewhat lacking.
- If Roshi masters his buff form like he did in RoF, he could easily rival the main earthlings or even Piccolo, so the Saibaimen wouldn't be an issue.

[Kamiccolo9]

The Saiyan Civilizations (before Planet Vegeta was destoryed) vs. these Alien/Advance Civilizations in no real order:

- Aliens from Independence Day (Both the first movie and the sequel)
- Psychlos from Battlefield Earth
- Flood from Halo
- Yato Tribe from Gintama
- Irken from Invader Zim
- Klingons from Star Trek
- Romefeller Foundation from Gundam Wing
- Kryptonians from DC Comics
- Skrulls from Marvel Comics
- Daleks from Doctor Who

Rules:

- No outside help (No help from Freeza and his soliders)
- All Civilzations have all acess to their techologies

Which one can the Saiyans win and which civilzation can stop them?

Before Secret Invasion, I would have said the Saiyans could take on the Skrulls. Now, though? With access to all their technology, the Skrulls can duplicate virtually any powerset, and make themselves undetectable. The Saiyans wouldn't last a day.

The only other one here I can speak to is the Daleks, and lol. Daleks come up with universe killing bombs every day, and are more than willing to use them.

[LightBing]

If the following characters trained under Kami (and Mr. Popo) in preparation for the arrival of the Saiyans, how strong would each individual get based off where you would place them at the beginning of Z. Could any of these guys defeat (or at least pose a threat to) one of Vegeta and Nappa's Saibamen? The combatants are...

- Bora.
- Chi Chi.
- Cyborg Tao.
- King Chappa.
- Master Roshi.
- Namu.

How powerful would these guys be post training with Kami, in your opinion? Specific estimates would be cool.

- Bora wouldn't even be capable of managing the training, there's a reason why you first must be selected by Karin.
- Chi-Chi might profit immensely from the training. She got very strong by training with her father, likely basic Kame-Sennin training. I say she would be slightly weaker than Kuririn, definitely stronger than Yamcha.
- Chappa I put him in the same progress tier as Chiaotzu, he would be inferior to him due to the lack of techniques. A Saibaimen would kill him easily.
- Master Roshi would very easily reach Tenshinhan's level, add him mastering his buff form and Piccolo would even be intimidated. The RoF arc shows this scenario and Mr.Toriyama in a interview said he could always reach the level he got on the movie by training.
- Namu would be in the same situation as Bora.

[RandomGuy96]

The Saiyan Civilizations (before Planet Vegeta was destoryed) vs. these Alien/Advance Civilizations in no real order:

- Aliens from Independence Day (Both the first movie and the sequel)
- Psychlos from Battlefield Earth
- Flood from Halo
- Yato Tribe from Gintama
- Irken from Invader Zim
- Klingons from Star Trek
- Romefeller Foundation from Gundam Wing
- Kryptonians from DC Comics
- Skrulls from Marvel Comics
- Daleks from Doctor Who

Rules:

- No outside help (No help from Freeza and his soliders)
- All Civilzations have all acess to their techologies

Which one can the Saiyans win and which civilzation can stop them?

1. It depends, do the aliens remember they can wipe out the planet by just landing a harvester and turning off their haemostatic systems, collapsing the environment through excess gravity and heat? Because that fucking thing masses more than Mars.
2. The Psychlos will find a way to lose somehow.
3. Everyone gets turned into a space zombies by the physics-raping gods that are the Trollcursors.
4. IDK
5. Planet destroyed immediately.
6. Planet destroyed from orbit.
7. IDK
8. Planet wiped clean from orbit; one side has space travel and warships, the other one does not.
9. Same.
10. LOL

Even if some saiyans manage to escape via those pods (and it's ambiguous if they even have those, since you said no help from Freeza's gang), they'll have no base or supplies and no way to effectively retaliate against their enemies. They have no idea where their planets are.

[Captain Space]

Can anyone figure this out, by the way? Less a specific versus question but it's based on the same kind of "who beats who" logic process, so I thought this was the best place to ask.

-Trunks and Goku's SSJ2 forms were about even, in fact Trunks might even have been slightly stronger (Goku was being overwhelmed a bit towards the end, as I think Piccolo commented on?)

-Trunks says his SSJ2 was no match for Black, and when Goku demonstrates SSJ3, Trunks says Black is as strong as that, maybe even stronger.

-Goku uses SSJ2 against Black and the two fight pretty back-and-forth, neither having a massive advantage.

-Trunks says that Black there was quite a bit stronger than he ever was in the future.

So... Black (Future) >= SSJ3 Goku > SSJ2 Trunks >= SSJ2 Goku ~ Black (Present) ...but also Black (Present) > Black (Future)?

Huh?! Am I missing something?