Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

[dbzfan7]

I've seen a good amount of Shonen and no character has ever went from what Gohan and even Piccolo were to what they are now.

It's such a shame they're being so disrespected and to make things worse, it's the author who's doing it.

At least in GT they kept their dignity and weren't turned into the jokes they are in Super.

What´s your definition of being disrespected and dignity? Does it has something to do either the characters being portrayed(or not) as badass or them having/not having screentime to have fights?

He didn't exactly have a lot of fights in GT. One he arguably won, but I'd say lost since Bebi took him over. So really in GT he lost every fight he was in. Though really everyone was pretty much in the same position as him, so he didn't look as bad since Goten, Trunks, Vegeta, Oob, and himself were all pretty much in the same boat. He had one heartfelt moment with Piccolo though.

Really the only comparison I suppose that can be made is he was never really embarrassed, but never had a moment either. You can even say in Super he at least won a fight, and yet it didn't really mean anything anyways. But you can say he at least beat someone still which is more than he did in GT.

[Kagari]

He's probably making normal things normal people do when they have a family.
Showing more than what Super has shown already would be like turning Super into some different type of anime...

People already say they love the slice of life stuff. They also say this is the best direction for him. Yet that doesn't seem to be the case as it really has become a reason to get him away from screen time, more than improve character. The monomyth story ended poorly in the Boo arc, then learned nothing from those events. Then learned nothing from Beerus. Learned something from Freeza arc. Then forsook his lesson and that's where we end off. What kind of lesson is that? When in doubt, leave everything to your parents to solve all your problems.

We don't actually know if the lesson from the Resurrection F arc was lost yet because well... he's only been in one episode since episode 30 and it was an in-between one. That's the problem really, he's been off-screen so long it's hard to tell what's going on anymore.

[Chillekasper]

I hate what they are doing with Gohan....

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

He didn't exactly have a lot of fights in GT. One he arguably won, but I'd say lost since Bebi took him over. So really in GT he lost every fight he was in. Though really everyone was pretty much in the same position as him, so he didn't look as bad since Goten, Trunks, Vegeta, Oob, and himself were all pretty much in the same boat. He had one heartfelt moment with Piccolo though.

Really the only comparison I suppose that can be made is he was never really embarrassed, but never had a moment either. You can even say in Super he at least won a fight, and yet it didn't really mean anything anyways. But you can say he at least beat someone still which is more than he did in GT.

This seens like a good response but, I´m waiting for an answer that doesn´t involve fighting, power levels, badassery or anything like that.

[Krillin1994]

Just wait until Vegeta is about to start training Trunks and then Gohan shows up, having been moved by Trunks' resolve, and requests too that he learn about becoming a God.


Or do we just think that Toei are gonna fan wank the whole Three Super Saiyan they did with Goku, Vegeta and Trunks they did for ages.

The Three Bluper Saiyans.

[dbzfan7]

He's probably making normal things normal people do when they have a family.
Showing more than what Super has shown already would be like turning Super into some different type of anime...

People already say they love the slice of life stuff. They also say this is the best direction for him. Yet that doesn't seem to be the case as it really has become a reason to get him away from screen time, more than improve character. The monomyth story ended poorly in the Boo arc, then learned nothing from those events. Then learned nothing from Beerus. Learned something from Freeza arc. Then forsook his lesson and that's where we end off. What kind of lesson is that? When in doubt, leave everything to your parents to solve all your problems.

We don't actually know if the lesson from the Resurrection F arc was lost yet because well... he's only been in one episode since episode 30 and it was an in-between one. That's the problem really, he's been off-screen so long it's hard to tell what's going on anymore.

You're right, but I am pretty sure it is though. I mean we had a similar case where Krillin wanted to get back into fighting. Then that was dropped when the episode ended. Least Gohan's pursuit lasted one more episode. I'm quite happy Trunks is at least going to be working with Vegeta, but upset that for some reason only Trunks is allowed to break the mould of the stat trinity of importance.

He didn't exactly have a lot of fights in GT. One he arguably won, but I'd say lost since Bebi took him over. So really in GT he lost every fight he was in. Though really everyone was pretty much in the same position as him, so he didn't look as bad since Goten, Trunks, Vegeta, Oob, and himself were all pretty much in the same boat. He had one heartfelt moment with Piccolo though.

Really the only comparison I suppose that can be made is he was never really embarrassed, but never had a moment either. You can even say in Super he at least won a fight, and yet it didn't really mean anything anyways. But you can say he at least beat someone still which is more than he did in GT.

This seens like a good response but, I´m waiting for an answer that doesn´t involve fighting, power levels, badassery or anything like that.

It's kinda hard not too since his screen time outside of fighting, is incredibly minimal. His family life is barely worth mentioning to the series, and it's real actual purpose to the series, is getting Gohan away from the story picture. Though as I said above the real honest embarrassment to Gohan above all else, is Goten, Kid Trunks, and the Pilaf Gang being more important than he is. That's pretty bad when his character has more to him, then the three of them combined do. It'd be like if Mr. Satan replaced Vegeta as more important character. That'd be pretty damn insane.

Hopefully at the very least Kid Trunks after literal decades of character starvation gains passion, motivations, end goals, and more actual things to warrant his screen time.

[Kagari]

People already say they love the slice of life stuff. They also say this is the best direction for him. Yet that doesn't seem to be the case as it really has become a reason to get him away from screen time, more than improve character. The monomyth story ended poorly in the Boo arc, then learned nothing from those events. Then learned nothing from Beerus. Learned something from Freeza arc. Then forsook his lesson and that's where we end off. What kind of lesson is that? When in doubt, leave everything to your parents to solve all your problems.

We don't actually know if the lesson from the Resurrection F arc was lost yet because well... he's only been in one episode since episode 30 and it was an in-between one. That's the problem really, he's been off-screen so long it's hard to tell what's going on anymore.

You're right, but I am pretty sure it is though. I mean we had a similar case where Krillin wanted to get back into fighting. Then that was dropped when the episode ended. Least Gohan's pursuit lasted one more episode. I'm quite happy Trunks is at least going to be working with Vegeta, but upset that for some reason only Trunks is allowed to break the mould of the stat trinity of importance.

He didn't exactly have a lot of fights in GT. One he arguably won, but I'd say lost since Bebi took him over. So really in GT he lost every fight he was in. Though really everyone was pretty much in the same position as him, so he didn't look as bad since Goten, Trunks, Vegeta, Oob, and himself were all pretty much in the same boat. He had one heartfelt moment with Piccolo though.

Really the only comparison I suppose that can be made is he was never really embarrassed, but never had a moment either. You can even say in Super he at least won a fight, and yet it didn't really mean anything anyways. But you can say he at least beat someone still which is more than he did in GT.

This seens like a good response but, I´m waiting for an answer that doesn´t involve fighting, power levels, badassery or anything like that.

It's kinda hard not too since his screen time outside of fighting, is incredibly minimal. His family life is barely worth mentioning to the series, and it's real actual purpose to the series, is getting Gohan away from the story picture. Though as I said above the real honest embarrassment to Gohan above all else, is Goten, Kid Trunks, and the Pilaf Gang being more important than he is. That's pretty bad when his character has more to him, then the three of them combined do. Hopefully at the very least Kid Trunks after literal decades of character starvation gains passion, motivations, end goals, and more actual things to warrant his screen time.

I'll be upset if Future Trunks is the only one getting development during this arc. We all know he won't stick around forever so it's high time the rest of the kids started doing something useful again. I like Future Trunks, don't get me wrong, but if the story is just going to be Goku/Vegeta/Future Trunks then that's kind of boring.

[dbzfan7]

I'll be upset if Future Trunks is the only one getting development during this arc. We all know he won't stick around forever so it's high time the rest of the kids started doing something useful again. I like Future Trunks, don't get me wrong, but if the story is just going to be Goku/Vegeta/Future Trunks then that's kind of boring.

Hey it's at least a start. I was pretty sure Trunks was going to be sidelined again while Goku does everything, while Vegeta just remains around his level. Him possibly being on their level is a big thing. It could lead to other people doing the same. Probably not, but still it's at least a start. I'll take Goku/Vegeta/Trunks over just the Goku & Vegeta show.

[Krillin1994]

OMG we had Trunks voice actor imply that present Trunks may feel insecure about Future Trunks.

Future Trunks goes to Gohan talks about being a master for him etc and how things are very different.

Future Trunks gets trained by Vegeta.

Present Trunks sees this.

Vegeta, Goku Future Trunks and Piccolo go to the future.

Present Trunks wants to impress his dad but nobody is there to train him really........except Gohan.

Trunks goes to Gohan and asks to get stronger. This strikes a chord with Gohan who has recently had Future Trunks talking about his master student sort of role.



.........There's literally so many great things they could do but it'll be so annoying if Gohan doesn't get anything.

[sintzu]

What´s your definition of being disrespected and dignity? Does it has something to do either the characters being portrayed(or not) as badass or them having/not having screentime to have fights?

A mixture of both.

Let's look at Piccolo, in both shows he didn't do much fighting but in GT he wasn't looked down upon by everyone and he actually had a role to play in the story.

Goten and Trunks, In GT they're their own characters who are capable of fighting on their own and doing their own thing while in Super they have 0 personality and are only there for gags.

Gohan, he didn't win any fights or get any huge power ups but like the above he was still a fighter and wasn't humiliated left and right by everyone like he is in Super, in universe and out.

Vegeta, he didn't get any wins but he was picked over everyone including Goku to be baby's main body, he was the only one who developed a new attack, he was the last one standing against super 17 before Goku arrived, he was the only one other than Goku to reach Ssj4, at the end he was earth's new protector and most importantly, his character was intact unlike Super where sometimes he acts very OOC for no reason.

I will give Super credit for giving Vegeta a main role in the story but in terms of everyone else, they've messed up badly.

[buutenks]

Gohan may still get an important role.

[sintzu]

Gohan may still get an important role.

We thought he would in the Champa arc due to him asking Piccolo to train him but not only did he not fight, he wasn't even there to just watch.

If he doesn't get anything now then he never will.

[saiyanvegetable]

Gohan is going to become relevant again because of some jarring asspull (a setup that'll probably take place over the course of 2-3 episodes) to sell more merchandise and Super fanboys are going to call it "Character development".

[buutenks]

Well, all of gohan's power ups were asspulls ^^.

[Krillin1994]

Ass pull power ups....

Magic water
Fusing by touching another namekian
Potential unlock by guru
Fusing with another namekian
Magic time room
Evil magic
Fusion dance
Potential unlock but fully
Fusion earrings
God ritual
Time room in a staff

I'm unsure if I've missed anything out.

Some of the biggest power ups in Dragonball have been via ass pulls

[Beyond]

I made an entire rant about what Super did to Piccolo, but I didn't post it. It made me feel better to get it off my chest though. I think I'll have to write gohan's next. My 2 favorites reduced to this. Granted, if Gohan is going to get the Piccolo vs Frost treatment, he'd be better off without a fight at all.

[Kagari]

Gohan may still get an important role.

We thought he would in the Champa arc due to him asking Piccolo to train him but not only did he not fight, he wasn't even there to just watch.

If he doesn't get anything now then he never will.

We knew from the manga he wouldn't be there but the anime added more. It's just that there hasn't been much since the tournament that required much urgency. As you said, if he doesn't get something this arc - which promises a universal/time-space threat - then it seems unlikely he'll have anything more.

I'm not really too worried now that I think about it though because unlike the tournament arc, the Future Trunks arc seems to be on the same level as both Battle of the Gods and Resurrection F in terms of narrative importance. Both of those arcs did a decent job at featuring other characters not Goku/Vegeta.

[Beyond]

Ass pull power ups....

Magic water
Fusing by touching another namekian
Potential unlock by guru
Fusing with another namekian
Magic time room
Evil magic
Fusion dance
Potential unlock but fully
Fusion earrings
God ritual
Time room in a staff

I'm unsure if I've missed anything out.

Some of the biggest power ups in Dragonball have been via ass pulls

Zenkai boost are the worst offenders. You shouldn't be able to get 30x stronger from getting your ass kicked.
Piccolo's fusion with Kami was set up alright, Nail not so much. Fusion dance isn't that bad either.

[Kagari]

Well, all of gohan's power ups were asspulls ^^.

As is a lot of the stuff in Z and Super. We still don't really know how SSB comes about.

[sintzu]

If Gohan is going to get the Piccolo vs Frost treatment, he'd be better off without a fight at all.

He'll be lucky if he just gets that.