"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Kagari]

I also think we can assume that this isn't going to be a 13 episode arc, since we will be 8 episodes in when Trunks begins to train.

As they will need to resolve: Trunks x Mai, Black's identity, Zenou's involvement, Beat Black, Have Zamasu appear again, Fight Black, Future Bulma's ultimate fate, SS White?(maybe)

This will be assuming there's literally zero other developments in the arc.


As for Gohan feeling shame. How about this scenario:

Trunks is going to Gohan to notify him that he wasn't strong enough to protect his loved ones in the future and has lost them but can't lose humanity. He'll be taking Vegeta and Goku and Piccolo to the future and they don't know what may happen, Earth's safety has to be in your hands for the meantime.

Gohan then realises that others won't always be there to look out for him, and that he needs to be strong to ensure he can always protect his loved ones. Ashamed at how he has let himself become he improves himself.

Freeza already did that for him though.

[Krillin1994]

Except there were other people there in that situation.


I actually think it's plausible that Trunks is going to tell Gohan he's gonna be Earth's defender for a while.

[dbzfan7]

You really shouldn't expect much from Gohan, other than being the anime version of Zack Ryder.

[Kagari]

Except there were other people there in that situation.


I actually think it's plausible that Trunks is going to tell Gohan he's gonna be Earth's defender for a while.

Maybe, this arc seems to be twisting people's expectations quite a bit so anything could happen. I thought for sure Goku would have been sidelined in typical Toriyama fashion by Black last episode based on the early summary but the opposite happened.

[kinisking]

Maybe Goku/Beerus will cause him to lose his job as apprentice by spouting that his ki matches Black's. Causing him to become fixated on revenge.

This is a good theory.

Just ridiculous. I don't think anyone minds that Gohan became a scholar but that doesn't mean they had to treat him the way they did. This simply wasn't the best way for them to treat his character. I don't understand how getting an education automatically makes you lose 50 pds of muscle and get glasses that you never needed before. They tried to push that he's a scholar too much and instead created a new character. Even GT did it better. Good on you toriyama for teaching kids that to become smart and educated you have to become lame and weak too. At least everything else sounds interesting.

That's your point of view, I think he's ok. I liked him better with his FnF hair style now that apparently he has went back to his end of Z style...
Everyone except maybe Vegeta at this point are looking skinnier than before, it's just a change of style, it doesn't prove how strong someone is. Just look at Beerus and Whis.

The glasses were already there at end of Z, and I don't see how he's lame now, having a family to watch over is lame?

Why I dislike his design :Everyone's looking skinny but they all have muscle tone, Gohan has absolutely nothing. Even krillin who also apparently stopped training has muscle. Beerus and whis are introduced as skinny so it's a different story. Gohan in the other hand becomes drastically skinny within a year completing his transformation into a stereotypical "nerd." Same problem with the glasses. I wear glasses too so it's not like I think glasses are a bad thing. If his character was introduced as needing glasses it would be fine. It's the fact that they decided to put it on him later in his life for no reason other to say "hey look I like to study". Who cares if it was in EOZ? Just because he made a mistake a long time ago doesn't mean it's better. They could have shown he became a scholar through him explaining what he actually does and maybe even giving a comedy episode on it like his HS episodes. But no, they chose the easy way out and made him into a stereotypical "nerd". If they wanted his design to reflect who he is now then they should've just stuck with a suit. Him fighting the rof soldiers in the opening is a great design for him. He still looks like gohan but you can tell he's a professional.

Why I think he's become lame: For the second time, he's gotten drastically weaker. How and why? Has this dude been on the couch eating slim Jim's and drinking monster while watching educational videos? How is he the only one who keeps getting these insane nerfs? Why is his family being used as an excuse to become weaker? Doesn't he want to protect them? . I'm not expecting him to become like goku and vegeta and train with whis all the time but ay least train on the side and maintain your current power level dude. At this rate you'll become weaker than the humans. He never liked fighting and that's okay, but he didn't despise it like some people try to say. He had his own form of pride which can be seen in babidis ship, training with goku, being adamant on going to namek. Where is that spark now? The ROF arc did it well because he learnt his lesson. But that's almost certainly filler at this point. Toei knows more about gohan apparently. And it'd not even about fighting. He's become a nervous wreck outside of fighting too. Him announcing videls pregnancy was cringe worthy, and they made him extremely nervous when talking to that professor (which is slightly more understandable). Also his politeness went up, when he said he couldn't go to the tournament he bowed like he was talking to someone he barely knew.

[Sandubadear]

Plot twist: Kibito and the U6 Kaioshin attendant are also Kaioshin Apprentices.

[Xeztin]

You really shouldn't expect much from Gohan, other than being the anime version of Zack Ryder.

Woo woo woo! You know it! Kamehameha will be Gohan's new signature attack.

[dbzfan7]

You really shouldn't expect much from Gohan, other than being the anime version of Zack Ryder.

Woo woo woo! You know it! Kamehameha will be Gohan's new signature attack.

No his new signature is the inability to be pushed, and then squeak out a miracle before falling off a cliff immediately.

[Xeztin]

You really shouldn't expect much from Gohan, other than being the anime version of Zack Ryder.

Woo woo woo! You know it! Kamehameha will be Gohan's new signature attack.

No his new signature is the inability to be pushed, and then squeak out a miracle before falling off a cliff immediately.

That's killed me.

[Marlowe89]

My guess on Black's identity:

[spoiler]It's not a body swap since they have the same ki - rather, Black and Zamasu are literally the same person. It's important to note that Beerus, Whis and Goku all go to see Zamasu in presumably the present time whereas Black comes from the future. Also note that Zamasu is said to "distrust humanity". To me, this seems to hint that Black is simply Zamasu from the future, who has become even more cynical and disillusioned than his present self for whatever reason and is seeking to mete out his own dark sense of justice. Black resembling Goku will turn out to be a less important detail, as future Zamasu will be revealed to have simply possessed either Goku's real body shortly after his death or his afterlife body and was then somehow resurrected.[/spoiler]

That's my prediction anyway. I don't really like it, since I would have honestly preferred Black to have been Goku himself from an alternate reality or something, but this seems to be the most probable to me given all of the current information.

[Chuquita]

I do think Gokû Black is just a controlled dead body at this point.

I agree it makes it less interesting, because a genuinely evil version of Gokû would've been way more intriguing imo and it makes me think this is just more of Shueisha being afraid to do something really wild with Gokû.

If it's someone else controlling the body, it's not that much different than Turles since it's still not actually Gokû.

Though for all I know, Gokû Black isn't dead and Gokû himself is trapped in that body and can only watch as Zamasu controls him. (Which is a separate kind of horror all its own).

[LightBing]

My guess on Black's identity:

[spoiler]It's not a body swap since they have the same ki - rather, Black and Zamasu are literally the same person. It's important to note that Beerus, Whis and Goku all go to see Zamasu in presumably the present time whereas Black comes from the future. Also note that Zamasu is said to "distrust humanity". To me, this seems to hint that Black is simply Zamasu from the future, who has become even more cynical and disillusioned than his present self for whatever reason and is seeking to mete out his own dark sense of justice. Black resembling Goku will turn out to be a less important detail, as future Zamasu will be revealed to have simply possessed either Goku's real body shortly after his death or his afterlife body and was then somehow resurrected.[/spoiler]

That's my prediction anyway. I don't really like it, since I would have honestly preferred Black to have been Goku himself from an alternate reality or something, but this seems to be the most probable to me given all of the current information.

I agree with the theory. Altought I prefer it this way, instead of an alternative Goku. Some interesting interactions might be lost, but the gains trump this by far. If it's indeed Zamasu, it's premise for his actions appear quite interesting and give us a very nuanced villain. Besides allowing for all this travel to another Universe, I see so much more possibility's.

It might also keep up with the theme that Goku, directly or indirectly is the cause for most catastrophes inflicted on Earth. In this case, Zamasu might have target Earth purposely to acquire Goku's body. We shall see.

[ekrolo2]

I'd prefer it to just be a Goku who's become evil. It would actually create a version of the character with some depth as he'd be consciously deciding to wipe out humanity and whatever Saiyan's are left because of something that was done to him. The body swap theory just makes it someone else entirely posing as Goku for shock value and little else. Some fake killing Bulma is considerably less cool than her old friend consciously deciding to kill her.

[HeroR]

My guess on Black's identity:

[spoiler]It's not a body swap since they have the same ki - rather, Black and Zamasu are literally the same person. It's important to note that Beerus, Whis and Goku all go to see Zamasu in presumably the present time whereas Black comes from the future. Also note that Zamasu is said to "distrust humanity". To me, this seems to hint that Black is simply Zamasu from the future, who has become even more cynical and disillusioned than his present self for whatever reason and is seeking to mete out his own dark sense of justice. Black resembling Goku will turn out to be a less important detail, as future Zamasu will be revealed to have simply possessed either Goku's real body shortly after his death or his afterlife body and was then somehow resurrected.[/spoiler]

That's my prediction anyway. I don't really like it, since I would have honestly preferred Black to have been Goku himself from an alternate reality or something, but this seems to be the most probable to me given all of the current information.

I agree with the theory. Altought I prefer it this way, instead of an alternative Goku. Some interesting interactions might be lost, but the gains trump this by far. If it's indeed Zamasu, it's premise for his actions appear quite interesting and give us a very nuanced villain. Besides allowing for all this travel to another Universe, I see so much more possibility's.

It might also keep up with the theme that Goku, directly or indirectly is the cause for most catastrophes inflicted on Earth. In this case, Zamasu might have target Earth purposely to acquire Goku's body. We shall see.

But none of that explains how he knew Vegeta from sight and why would a Kai from U10 want some random dead person from U7, and why are they attacking Trunks' Earth or love fighting since that isn't a Kai trait. Better yet, why would a Kai take a year to kill a planet instead of just blowing it up or doing a version of Buu's Human Genocide Attack.

[namekiansaiyan]

My guess on Black's identity:

[spoiler]It's not a body swap since they have the same ki - rather, Black and Zamasu are literally the same person. It's important to note that Beerus, Whis and Goku all go to see Zamasu in presumably the present time whereas Black comes from the future. Also note that Zamasu is said to "distrust humanity". To me, this seems to hint that Black is simply Zamasu from the future, who has become even more cynical and disillusioned than his present self for whatever reason and is seeking to mete out his own dark sense of justice. Black resembling Goku will turn out to be a less important detail, as future Zamasu will be revealed to have simply possessed either Goku's real body shortly after his death or his afterlife body and was then somehow resurrected.[/spoiler]

That's my prediction anyway. I don't really like it, since I would have honestly preferred Black to have been Goku himself from an alternate reality or something, but this seems to be the most probable to me given all of the current information.

I agree with the theory. Altought I prefer it this way, instead of an alternative Goku. Some interesting interactions might be lost, but the gains trump this by far. If it's indeed Zamasu, it's premise for his actions appear quite interesting and give us a very nuanced villain. Besides allowing for all this travel to another Universe, I see so much more possibility's.

It might also keep up with the theme that Goku, directly or indirectly is the cause for most catastrophes inflicted on Earth. In this case, Zamasu might have target Earth purposely to acquire Goku's body. We shall see.

But none of that explains how he knew Vegeta from sight and why would a Kai from U10 want some random dead person from U7, and why are they attacking Trunks' Earth or love fighting since that isn't a Kai trait. Better yet, why would a Kai take a year to kill a planet instead of just blowing it up or doing a version of Buu's Human Genocide Attack.

Why did Goku Black not recognise Piccolo, Krillin and Whis. If he took Goku's body and knows Vegeta then he should definitely know Piccolo and Krillin and if he knows Beerus he should know Whis.

[LightBing]

I'd prefer it to just be a Goku who's become evil. It would actually create a version of the character with some depth as he'd be consciously deciding to wipe out humanity and whatever Saiyan's are left because of something that was done to him. The body swap theory just makes it someone else entirely posing as Goku for shock value and little else. Some fake killing Bulma is considerably less cool than her old friend consciously deciding to kill her.

Isn't it the same if it's a fake Goku or another Goku who turned evil, both share the appearance of the man but aren't the one Bulma knew, the impact is the same.
They might botch this, the same way they could with an evil Goku. The actual apparent concept has much more potential to me. If it was a simply evil Goku, he'd just say "I'm Goku, yada yada yada and that's how I become evil". Losing all this mystery, information which connects to new places and unknown inner workings of the Dragon Ball Universe.

But none of that explains how he knew Vegeta from sight and why would a Kai from U10 want some random dead person from U7, and why are they attacking Trunks' Earth or love fighting since that isn't a Kai trait. Better yet, why would a Kai take a year to kill a planet instead of just blowing it up or doing a version of Buu's Human Genocide Attack.

This arc is a slow burn, we have to wait until we get those answers. The show is purposely messing with viewers by giving us little clues each episode.
We're all in theory territory, which is refreshing.

[Hellspawn28]

So far the episode summaries for the next episodes sound really awesome. I also like Goku Black so far as a villain too. Unlike Tullece, he feels like a villain that has a reason for his actions. He mention that he is killing people under justice while Tullece just wanted to go to Earth to destroy and check on Goku.

[ekrolo2]

I'd prefer it to just be a Goku who's become evil. It would actually create a version of the character with some depth as he'd be consciously deciding to wipe out humanity and whatever Saiyan's are left because of something that was done to him. The body swap theory just makes it someone else entirely posing as Goku for shock value and little else. Some fake killing Bulma is considerably less cool than her old friend consciously deciding to kill her.

Is it the same if it's a fake Goku or another Goku who turned evil, both share the appearance of the man but aren't the one Bulma knew, the impact is the same.
They might botch this, the same way they could with an evil Goku. The actual apparent concept has much more potential to me. If it was a simply evil Goku, he'd just say "I'm Goku, yada yada yada and that's how I become evil". Losing all this mystery, information which connects to new places and unknown inner workings of the Dragon Ball Universe.

The impact isn't the same for me, one's just a copycat while the other is her actual friend consciously deciding to ruthlessly kill her and then her kid. As for if they'll botch it? Yeah probably.

[HeroR]

Why did Goku Black not recognise Piccolo, Krillin and Whis. If he took Goku's body and knows Vegeta then he should definitely know Piccolo and Krillin and if he knows Beerus he should know Whis.

He didn't acknowledged them, not the same as not recognizing them. A Kai from U10 shouldn't randomly know who Vegeta is on sight.

And we have seen from Ginyu, taking the body doesn't give you the person's memories. And he should feel like Goku if he stole the body, just as Krillin didn't know Ginyu was in Goku's body until he told them.

[ryou766]

Those summaries sound pretty interesting, particularly the ones involving Zamasu.