Faisal Shourov wrote:All mainstream shonen have large adult audience.
According to this, only 12% of One Piece's audience are 18 and below, the other 88% are over 19 so that puts an end to the "Shonen is for children" argument.
Faisal Shourov wrote:All mainstream shonen have large adult audience.
According to this, only 12% of One Piece's audience are 18 and below, the other 88% are over 19 so that puts an end to the "Shonen is for children" argument.
Faisal Shourov wrote:All mainstream shonen have large adult audience.
According to this, only 12% of One Piece's audience are 18 and below, the other 88% are over 19 so that puts an end to the "Shonen is for children" argument.
I am really surprised that some people have the audacity to say shonen is for kids. Even comedy shonen like High School DxD is extremely inappropiate for audience under 16. Really, adults and older teenagers FAR outnumber kids for viewer demographics of shonen anime. Not too long ago, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure was a shonen. Gintama is a freaking shonen. Kids watch Youkai Watch, Yu-Gi-Oh and Doraemon. Most people who watch AoT I know are over 15.
Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
Just shows you don't know the difference between shonen and kodomo. Good photos btw
Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
ArchedThunder wrote:
His point is that intended audience is not the same as the actual audience. Dragon Ball is an always has been intended for children, deal with it.
That's exactly why I said he doesn't know the difference between shonen and kodomo. Neither do you apparently.
Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
ArchedThunder wrote:
His point is that intended audience is not the same as the actual audience. Dragon Ball is an always has been intended for children, deal with it.
That's exactly why I said he doesn't know the difference between shonen and kodomo. Neither do you apparently.
There is no need for me to continue this conversation when you're going to purposely ignore what is being said.
You can keep pretending Dragon Ball isn't a kids show if it helps you feel better and more "mature".
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Jeez did a bunch of Gohan jokes really cause a fight to break out? We've had Yamcha and Krillin jokes for years, and I didn't see much people complain. Some people, but most didn't take it that seriously. Jokes are never gonna end. He's the new target for ridicule, so long as they keep giving us more material to work with.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
ArchedThunder wrote:
There is no need for me to continue this conversation when you're going to purposely ignore what is being said.
Except using outliers for evidence is not good argument, so please end the conversation because it won't go far.
Once again, you have no idea about shonen and kodomo, and you probably think Doraemon and DBZ have same target audience
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Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
ArchedThunder wrote:
His point is that intended audience is not the same as the actual audience. Dragon Ball is an always has been intended for children, deal with it.
That's exactly why I said he doesn't know the difference between shonen and kodomo. Neither do you apparently.
MLP is not a kodomo in the first place. The point is that whether or not your show's intended audience is for kids, it doesn't dictate what actual audience you're going to bring in at all!
Let's get back on topic though. I feel as if Gohan should be left alone as he has finally became the scholar he was conditioned to become. I don't see him doing anything too substantial in the near or far future of the show unfortunately.
Dragon Ball /Z/GT/Super is a children's show and there's nothing wrong with that.
Shin wrote: MLP is not a kodomo in the first place. The point is that whether or not your show's intended audience is for kids, it doesn't dictate what actual audience you're going to bring in at all!
Let's get back on topic though. I feel as if Gohan should be left alone as he has finally became the scholar he was conditioned to become. I don't see him doing anything too substantial in the near or far future of the show unfortunately.
My Little Pony is targeted at pre-grade school girls. It is very much a kodomo. And outliers are not facts.
Please tell us how Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood and MLP are intended for same viewers.
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Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
ArchedThunder wrote:Dragon Ball is an always has been intended for children, deal with it.
DB was like other Shonen, it was intended to bring in as many demographics as possible, like blockbuster movies or fighting and sports games.
A popular example of shounen intended for all age demographics would be Death Note. I love how some people are using the outlier MLP to bury the discussion and saying Dragon Ball was always a kids show, when statistics for almost all mainstream shonen manga sales say otherwise
Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
While I hate everything about the Mystic powerup and the results after it...
Ultimate Gohan was his peak... What a fucking badass.
Atill want to know why Gohan is so much above in potential even compared to Trunks and Goten... Vegeta even points his potential out in Super. Goten is even more strange seeing as he has the same DNA and have shown talent even beyond kid Gohan
I don't know. It's not like Nerdhan is a bad character. He is just not a fighter (actually he never was, he kept pushing himself for helping his friends and planet). I can seriously see him helping in the future.
I just don't want them to retire his character HERE of all places. If they're going to, at least give him a final moment to remember him by. As opposed to having us remember him being tortured by Freeza and calling for help as his final great acts.
yeah yeah, Yamcha didn't get something like that, but I'd like to believe this series has gotten a bit nicer to its characters.
I could have gotten into anything...and yet I chose the story aimed at young Japanese boys about martial arts, and later about super-powerful aliens punching each other really hard.
MozillaVulpix wrote:I just don't want them to retire his character HERE of all places. If they're going to, at least give him a final moment to remember him by. As opposed to having us remember him being tortured by Freeza and calling for help as his final great acts.
yeah yeah, Yamcha didn't get something like that, but I'd like to believe this series has gotten a bit nicer to its characters.
