DBZ vs DBS - Animation [Comparing Objectively]

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Re: DBZ vs DBS - Animation [Comparing Objectively]

Post by ParkerAL » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:32 am

sintzu wrote:That's a one time OVA and this is on going so I know there would still be mistakes but just having that art style would help a lot but instead we're stuck with Toriyama's "modern" designs and Toei's ultra cheap tech.
Hand Leonardo Da Vinci a cheap No. 2 pencil and a sheet of printer paper and he could draw a masterpiece. The tools aren't as important as the talent using them. As others have said, time is also a vital factor too.
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Re: DBZ vs DBS - Animation [Comparing Objectively]

Post by PMD » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:34 am

Bansho64 wrote:Those look like the orange brick colors.
Excuse me if this question sounds stupid, but I don't know what that "orange brick colors" is. I read it a lot in the animation threats.

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Post by z_cherub » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:45 am

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Bansho64 wrote:Those look like the orange brick colors.
Excuse me if this question sounds stupid, but I don't know what that "orange brick colors" is. I read it a lot in the animation threats.
The coloring used on the DVD box set of the series commonly referred to as the "orange bricks".

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Re: DBZ vs DBS - Animation [Comparing Objectively]

Post by sintzu » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:58 am

ParkerAL wrote:Time is also a vital factor too.
Then they need to take more.
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Post by z_cherub » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:14 am

sintzu wrote:
ParkerAL wrote:Time is also a vital factor too.
Then they need to take more.
They can only take what they're given...

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Post by saiyanvegetable » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:24 pm

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saiyanvegetable wrote:I really miss that almost white, lightly yellow color for Super Saiyans that Z had.
You might not miss it for long :
"In the Battle of Gods, it was red, so I figured for 'Revival of F' I should go with blue. Well, actually I was thinking about having it white, but then it would color crash with the next enemy, so I figured I should save it for another occasion"
God no, last thing we need is more bullshit ala ssjgod.

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Post by sintzu » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:03 pm

saiyanvegetable wrote:God no, last thing we need is more bullshit ala ssjgod.
Ssjg was a temporary form and according to Toriyama, Goku and whoever else were going to just use their base and normal Ssj form afterwords.

I don't know why he changed his mind but if I had to guess I'd say Ssjg sold a lot of cards and toys so they convinced him to keep introducing recolored Ssj forms instead.
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Post by Brian4205 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:45 pm

I really do hope SSJB is the last form. Maybe if they just master it, more? Make the aura more vibrant like when they mastered SSJ in the manga.

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Post by z_cherub » Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:01 pm

Brian4205 wrote:I really do hope SSJB is the last form. Maybe if they just master it, more? Make the aura more vibrant like when they mastered SSJ in the manga.
I generally agree, but wouldn't mind seeing the white hair form that was hinted at. I definitely don't want it to be too aesthetically weird (SSJ3 & SSJ4), though.

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Post by kinisking » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:20 pm

Nah ssb fucking sucks. I want their last form to be their base form (Iike Mystic) or at least another color. Blue doesn't look that nice. It would've been so much better if ssg was blue and ssgss was red.
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Post by HybridSaiyan » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:27 am

The god stuff needs to stop, permanently. I've said this before but only Beerus, champa, whis and vados should be gods. Saiyans being gods is a ridiculous concept in my eyes, because yeah. They're Saiyans, not gods. SSJ3 mastered or SSJ4 should be their final form.

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Post by kinisking » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:12 pm

HybridSaiyan wrote:The god stuff needs to stop, permanently. I've said this before but only Beerus, champa, whis and vados should be gods. Saiyans being gods is a ridiculous concept in my eyes, because yeah. They're Saiyans, not gods. SSJ3 mastered or SSJ4 should be their final form.
It's too late to stop it.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:42 pm

kinisking wrote:
HybridSaiyan wrote:The god stuff needs to stop, permanently. I've said this before but only Beerus, champa, whis and vados should be gods. Saiyans being gods is a ridiculous concept in my eyes, because yeah. They're Saiyans, not gods. SSJ3 mastered or SSJ4 should be their final form.
It's too late to stop it.
Honestly, I think every character that is stronger than Kami can realistically be classified as a God.

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Post by z_cherub » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:26 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
kinisking wrote:
HybridSaiyan wrote:The god stuff needs to stop, permanently. I've said this before but only Beerus, champa, whis and vados should be gods. Saiyans being gods is a ridiculous concept in my eyes, because yeah. They're Saiyans, not gods. SSJ3 mastered or SSJ4 should be their final form.
It's too late to stop it.
Honestly, I think every character that is stronger than Kami can realistically be classified as a God.
Baseless opinion. In DB, being a "god" had to do with holding a station of authority, not outright brute strength/power. Otherwise, Goku would've been classified a god since he was a child.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Jul 17, 2016 12:43 am

z_cherub wrote:Baseless opinion. In DB, being a "god" had to do with holding a station of authority, not outright brute strength/power. Otherwise, Goku would've been classified a god since he was a child.
Except that every new hierarchy of Gods that are introduced are always much stronger than the last. Raw power rules all in the Dragon Ball universe.

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Post by z_cherub » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:27 am

Lord Beerus wrote:
z_cherub wrote:Baseless opinion. In DB, being a "god" had to do with holding a station of authority, not outright brute strength/power. Otherwise, Goku would've been classified a god since he was a child.
Except that every new hierarchy of Gods that are introduced are always much stronger than the last. Raw power rules all in the Dragon Ball universe.
Flawed logic. New gods introduced are more powerful than the previous gods, sure. But there's also always some non-god more powerful than said gods. The ONLY exception has been Beerus, & that's pretty recent given DB's 30 year history. Even then, you could argue Whis is more powerful & isn't technically a god.

Again, being a god in DB has always been about rank & not power. Otherwise, Kami and Dende couldn't have been God for so long.

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Post by Shuby » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:42 am

Here is an interesting one both scenes use repeated animation but while Z uses different angles , Super is static. Notice the sense of speed portrayed here.
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Post by z_cherub » Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:22 am

Shuby wrote:Here is an interesting one both scenes use repeated animation but while Z uses different angles , Super is static. Notice the sense of speed portrayed here.
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Nicely done. Looks like Super tends to slow/stop the strikes at the point of impact - maybe trying to show the force of the blow. Whereas Z keeps it going at a constant breakneck speed which, obviously makes everything look faster.

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Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:54 am

Shuby wrote:Here is an interesting one both scenes use repeated animation but while Z uses different angles , Super is static. Notice the sense of speed portrayed here.
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Or you could use a scene that is actually more directly comparable instead of cherry picking the worst looking part of the fight from episode 50.

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Post by OLKv3 » Sun Jul 17, 2016 11:25 am

kinisking wrote:Nah ssb fucking sucks. I want their last form to be their base form (Iike Mystic) or at least another color. Blue doesn't look that nice. It would've been so much better if ssg was blue and ssgss was red.
This is why I enjoy SSG so much. I love when the most powerful form is pretty much base. SSG does that

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