So who or what is Black?

[Sodhi]

I find Black very interesting. He only has hatred with the humans, not even saiyans. He seems to like things that are not humans, such as grass, trees, animals, I am saying this because do you guys remember in #47 they showed us destroyed future but also panned grasslands where everything was still green and lively, also a cat was still left intact. I also think his reason to not simply destroy earth is because there are other things in the planet's than humans. Also, I found it interesting how differently he treated goku in the fight of #50 than trunks or humans.

[Chuquita]

After this past weekend's episode, I'm now thinking either:
A) Zamasu is somehow controlling a dead Gokû body from faraway (like a puppeteer).
OR
B) Zamasu is possessing a dead Gokû body.


I don't think that Gokû Black's alive because I feel like if he was Zamasu wouldn't need to learn Gokû's techniques elsewhere and could just pull them from the Gokû that body goes to.

[HeroR]

I find Black very interesting. He only has hatred with the humans, not even saiyans. He seems to like things that are not humans, such as grass, trees, animals, I am saying this because do you guys remember in #47 they showed us destroyed future but also panned grasslands where everything was still green and lively, also a cat was still left intact. I also think his reason to not simply destroy earth is because there are other things in the planet's than humans. Also, I found it interesting how differently he treated goku in the fight of #50 than trunks or humans.

Human is a broad term in Dragon Ball. As it has been stated before, the Supreme Kai and Kibito called Saiyans humans in the Buu Saga. Champa also called the tournament between U6 and U7, a battle with humans. So human in Dragon Ball usually mean mortal.

[Sodhi]

Human is a broad term in Dragon Ball. As it has been stated before, the Supreme Kai and Kibito called Saiyans humans in the Buu Saga. Champa also called the tournament between U6 and U7, a battle with humans. So human in Dragon Ball usually mean mortal.

There is a difference in this situation though. Black seems to know the difference between saiyans and humans. When he saw trunks first time he said "a saiyajin?". Plus he does not really cares about trunks anyway, he seemed to be happy with the fact that he can carry out his deeds freely now that trunks is gone, which is to annihilate all humanity.

[Doctor.]

After this past weekend's episode, I'm now thinking either:
A) Zamasu is somehow controlling a dead Gokû body from faraway (like a puppeteer).
OR
B) Zamasu is possessing a dead Gokû body.


I don't think that Gokû Black's alive because I feel like if he was Zamasu wouldn't need to learn Gokû's techniques elsewhere and could just pull them from the Gokû that body goes to.

Maybe Black is future Zamasu while the one Goku & co are gonna meet is still good.

[Chuquita]

After this past weekend's episode, I'm now thinking either:
A) Zamasu is somehow controlling a dead Gokû body from faraway (like a puppeteer).
OR
B) Zamasu is possessing a dead Gokû body.


I don't think that Gokû Black's alive because I feel like if he was Zamasu wouldn't need to learn Gokû's techniques elsewhere and could just pull them from the Gokû that body goes to.

Maybe Black is future Zamasu while the one Goku & co are gonna meet is still good.

Very possible. Maybe part of the mystery is figuring out why Zamasu became that way in Trunks' timeline.

[HeroR]

Human is a broad term in Dragon Ball. As it has been stated before, the Supreme Kai and Kibito called Saiyans humans in the Buu Saga. Champa also called the tournament between U6 and U7, a battle with humans. So human in Dragon Ball usually mean mortal.

There is a difference in this situation though. Black seems to know the difference between saiyans and humans. When he saw trunks first time he said "a saiyajin?". Plus he does not really cares about trunks anyway, he seemed to be happy with the fact that he can carry out his deeds freely now that trunks is gone, which is to annihilate all humanity.

But the Supreme Kai and Kibito also know the different between Saiyans and humans, and they still call Saiyans humans. Champa's statement that his tournament between universes make no sense since humans (as in Earthlings) don't even exists in his universe.

[dbgtFO]

Black is just a future version of Zamasu who body changed with Goku of the alternate timeline.
Whereas the normal Potara allows 2 bodies to join together once the earrings are placed on the respective users' ears, the Potara on Goku black allows body-changing between the users.
I'd be surprised if this isn't the case, as it now seems so obvious, but I may just be saying that, because I'm currently reading the Ginyu portion of the Freeza Arc...
So you heard it here first(or likely not, as I'm sure this theory has been posted a bunch of times across the fanbase).

[apex_pretador]

So black absorbs fighting styles into himself?

[Kishido]

I still do not get what business Zamasu has with Universe 7... No matter if int he future or in the present.

And I doubt Future Beerus, Whis and even the Kais would be OK with a kai of a different universe doing stuff in THEIR universe. Look how pissed Beerus was at Champa.

And still why does Future Zamasu or Black knows about Vegeta like this? Beerus is a god of destruction so it is a given that he is known through all universes... But Vegeta? He is just a mere DEAD Saiyan.

[UpFromTheSkies]

After this past weekend's episode, I'm now thinking either:
A) Zamasu is somehow controlling a dead Gokû body from faraway (like a puppeteer).
OR
B) Zamasu is possessing a dead Gokû body.


I don't think that Gokû Black's alive because I feel like if he was Zamasu wouldn't need to learn Gokû's techniques elsewhere and could just pull them from the Gokû that body goes to.

Goku keeps his body in the afterlife, so Goku is either still trapped in that body and his personality is being suppressed by Zamasu, or they've body swapped. He doesn't have a halo, though, so I'm guessing they've body swapped.

[UpFromTheSkies]

I still do not get what business Zamasu has with Universe 7... No matter if int he future or in the present.

He has a vendetta against humans or mortals, and wants to wipe them out in all universes.

[HeroR]

I still do not get what business Zamasu has with Universe 7... No matter if int he future or in the present.

He has a vendetta against humans or mortals, and wants to wipe them out in all universes.

So why not used one of the fighters from his universe? Why used a mortal body from a completely different universe that's not even his twin universe?

[Chuquita]

Maybe he was looking for a strong body and got it in his head that Gokû was who he wanted.

[UpFromTheSkies]

I still do not get what business Zamasu has with Universe 7... No matter if int he future or in the present.

He has a vendetta against humans or mortals, and wants to wipe them out in all universes.

So why not used one of the fighters from his universe? Why used a mortal body from a completely different universe that's not even his twin universe?

My theory is that Zamasu was imprisoned, and because of Goku's naivety, he was able to trick him into doing something that causes them to body swap. Or maybe he sought out the strongest fighter he could find and it was Goku.

[Kishido]

No one anawered my CORE question.

Why should FUTURE Beerus, Whis and Kais be OK with another Kai from another universe coming to THEIR universe doing stuff?

And how does he know Vegeta. Vegeta has been long dead at that time... And he was not such VIP that everyone in other universes know his name

[UpFromTheSkies]

No one anawered my CORE question.

Why should FUTURE Beerus, Whis and Kais be OK with another Kai from another universe coming to THEIR universe doing stuff?

In future Trunks timeline, Beerus goes back to sleep after finding out the Saiyan from his dream is dead, and he doesn't know anything about Black. As for the Kais, black killed them.

And how does he know Vegeta. Vegeta has been long dead at that time... And he was not such VIP that everyone in other universes know his name

Maybe he crossed paths with Vegeta in the afterlife.

[HeroR]

No one anawered my CORE question.

Why should FUTURE Beerus, Whis and Kais be OK with another Kai from another universe coming to THEIR universe doing stuff?

In future Trunks timeline, Beerus goes back to sleep after finding out the Saiyan from his dream is dead, and he doesn't know anything about Black. As for the Kais, black killed them.

And how does he know Vegeta. Vegeta has been long dead at that time... And he was not such VIP that everyone in other universes know his name

Maybe he crossed paths with Vegeta in the afterlife.

Vegeta would be in Hell either stuck to a cherry tree or reborn. Unlikely that any Kai would meet him.

[Chuquita]

Maybe Vegeta tried and failed to stop Zamasu from doing whatever he did to gain control of Gokû's body in whatever timeline it happened in?

[UpFromTheSkies]

No one anawered my CORE question.

Why should FUTURE Beerus, Whis and Kais be OK with another Kai from another universe coming to THEIR universe doing stuff?

In future Trunks timeline, Beerus goes back to sleep after finding out the Saiyan from his dream is dead, and he doesn't know anything about Black. As for the Kais, black killed them.

And how does he know Vegeta. Vegeta has been long dead at that time... And he was not such VIP that everyone in other universes know his name

Maybe he crossed paths with Vegeta in the afterlife.

Vegeta would be in Hell either stuck to a cherry tree or reborn. Unlikely that any Kai would meet him.

In future Trunks timeline, Goku requested that Vegeta be allowed to keep his body in the afterlife so he can spar with him.