"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[kinisking]

Honestly freeza should have stayed alive and fought for u7. Would've made the tournament more interesting. From then on it could go two ways. Beerus destroying him because he doesn't need him anymore (which would be cool and cement the fact that he isn't a good guy) or keep him around for some other role. Maybe he could be been the next God of destruction?

[Anime Kitten]

We had this happen to an extent in Resurrection F though. The only difference is Goku/Vegeta showed up later on while the Z Fighters kept Freeza's army busy for a bit.

I do agree those two need to go off-screen for a bit if the other characters 1) won't get a power boost 2) to give characters like Piccolo and Krillin relevancy again.

But they all had a power level of probably well under 10,000.

Exactly my point; even Yamcha would be better than Goku, Vegeta, Bulma, Beerus, and Whis being the only relevant characters.

[sintzu]

Honestly freeza should have stayed alive.

There's so much they could've done with him but they didn't know what they wanted to do, it felt like they wanted to try something new but got scared at the last minute and changed everything up.

The biggest indication of this is Toriyama's comment about wanting Vegeta to be the main character but obviously that didn't happen.

The 2nd is bringing back Freeza, I doubt he did that just to kill him off again so like Vegeta he probably had something bigger planned but changed his mind at the last minute.

The image I posted above is another example of this cause they told us it would have a different tone from before but they're too afraid to completely go with it so they're adding unnecessary scenes and gags to lighten it up like what they did with the image which looks very serious without those 5 being forced in it.

Toriyama and Toei remind me of WB, they have a successful film series in the dark trilogy but have no idea why it was successful so they're just throwing random ideas at the viewers and hoping they respond to something in the same way they did with TDKT and in Toei's case, BOG.

[vilker]

I searched for Zamasu name origin, playing with the word and I found this:

https://translate.google.com/#ja/en/zusama

zusama= Figure like

[Anime Kitten]

You bring up some pretty good points, sintzu. It's almost like you're a professional...

Figure like? How could that apply to Zamasu? Guess we'll have to wait to find out.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

At this rate, I don't see any improvement in Goku's personality, so I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.

I'm not, I just hope Black sticks around to keep the tone a bit serious but I won't be surprised if he's killed off cause Toei are very afraid of a serious tone for some reason.

If you don't believe me just look at this :



An epic image that depicts what was suppose to be a serious arc but it looks like someone at Toei saw it a few minutes before it aired and Photoshoped those 5 into it to distract the viewers from what it's really trying to be.

What's this obsession with seriousness?
Didn't you stop to think that maybe what they want to do a mix of serious and humor?

[Noah]

I also like Black more than Goku but that's due to Goku being written as a complete retarded idiot compared to the serious badass he was in Z.

I share the same feeling.

Honestly freeza should have stayed alive...

RoF had no purpose at all, they had the opportunity of a cliffhanger in the end, like Freeza blowing Earth but staying alive and Goku, Vegeta couldn't use Namek DB to restore everything for some plot reason, but nah let's just end like the standard Toei Movies, the villain dies, Goku saves the day, the end.

Think about how rich a story would be of Freeza not only getting stronger but expanding his army, recruiting even more powerful troops and claim over his reputation as emperor of the universe, many opportunities of stories that could be told, but seeing how RoF end like the way it did, just felt disappointing.

[Anime Kitten]

What's this obsession with seriousness?
Didn't you stop to think that maybe what they want to do a mix of serious and humor?

Well, that's not exactly what they were advertising beforehand.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Well, that's not exactly what they were advertising beforehand.

Ads can be misleading.

[sintzu]

You bring up some pretty good points, sintzu. It's almost like you're a professional...

I'm very far from a professional but it becomes noticeable after awhile.

Another thing I noticed is how the arcs don't connect at all, Super feels like random arcs put together rather then one story spread across multiple connected arcs which like RF could be due to them not being confident enough in what they're doing.

I could be wrong but if Black's arc doesn't lead into anything and we get another random arc that has nothing to do with everything else then I'll know there might be some truth to this prediction.

[Anime Kitten]

Well, hopefully Zamasu will add something valuable. I'd like to see him stick around afterward.

Call me crazy, but is it possible that Black could be reformed?

[sintzu]

Let's just end like the standard Toei Movies, the villain dies, Goku saves the day, the end.

Many opportunities of stories that could be told, but seeing how RoF end like the way it did, just felt disappointing.

That's OK for side movies but this was meant to move the main plot foreword and it brought back a classic villain who could've done that and more but instead he was treated like a side villain.

Saying he wanted Vegeta to be the main character makes me believe he had a completely different story in mind, maybe one that didn't involve Freeza but for whatever reason he backed away from it.

[kinisking]

What's this obsession with seriousness?
Didn't you stop to think that maybe what they want to do a mix of serious and humor?

Well, that's not exactly what they were advertising beforehand.

They said it would have a different tone and it does. It's already much darker than it was, and it still has time to get even more serious

[sintzu]

Call me crazy, but is it possible that Black could be reformed?

It would've been possible back in the day or if this was a manga but his serious character would completely clash with Super's light hearted tone which it's already doing so I think he'll be 6ft under by the time it's over but hopefully I'm wrong.

They said it would have a different tone and it does. It's already much darker than it was, and it still has time to get even more serious

It still cuts to unfunny gags anytime something serious happens which has been going on from day 1.

[Chuquita]

Well, hopefully Zamasu will add something valuable. I'd like to see him stick around afterward.

Call me crazy, but is it possible that Black could be reformed?

I think it'll depend on what Gokû Black's back story ends up being. Like if he's his own character and not just Zamasu in disguise, I'd say there's a possibility. If he is Zamasu though, I think what'll happen is that disguise will either vanish or be vanquished somehow in battle leaving only Zamasu himself behind.

[alakazam^]

It still cuts to unfunny gags anytime something serious happens which has been going on from day 1.

That's their choice and there's nothing wrong with it.

What Super needs to do is what it wants to do, not indulge in what fans think the show should be, which becomes obvious when they talk about F and just reveal whatever made-up stories they came up for it and didn't get.

[namekiansaiyan]

It still cuts to unfunny gags anytime something serious happens which has been going on from day 1.

That's their choice and there's nothing wrong with it.

What Super needs to do is what it wants to do, not indulge in what fans think the show should be, which becomes obvious when they talk about F and just reveal whatever made-up stories they came up for it and didn't get.

The problem you have is that you never criticise anything and think everything is perfect in the whole franchise.

People can criticise and have any opinion they like or there is no point of discussing all these different topics.

[Kagari]

We had this happen to an extent in Resurrection F though. The only difference is Goku/Vegeta showed up later on while the Z Fighters kept Freeza's army busy for a bit.

I do agree those two need to go off-screen for a bit if the other characters 1) won't get a power boost 2) to give characters like Piccolo and Krillin relevancy again.

But they all had a power level of probably well under 10,000.

Exactly my point; even Yamcha would be better than Goku, Vegeta, Bulma, Beerus, and Whis being the only relevant characters.

We can only hope things get changed up a bit this arc, if it goes on longer than 10-15 episodes... which I think it will. DB's problem since GT has been the complete shuttering of characters, which is a shame because DB as a whole has an amazing, diverse cast of characters that have become nothing more than background decorations.

[Anime Kitten]

We can only hope things get changed up a bit this arc, if it goes on longer than 10-15 episodes... which I think it will. DB's problem since GT has been the complete shuttering of characters, which is a shame because DB as a whole has an amazing, diverse cast of characters that have become nothing more than background decorations.

Which is kind of surprising coming from Toriyama himself. Hopefully Zeno's tournament will allow enough room for the neglected characters.

[namekiansaiyan]

We had this happen to an extent in Resurrection F though. The only difference is Goku/Vegeta showed up later on while the Z Fighters kept Freeza's army busy for a bit.

I do agree those two need to go off-screen for a bit if the other characters 1) won't get a power boost 2) to give characters like Piccolo and Krillin relevancy again.

But they all had a power level of probably well under 10,000.

Exactly my point; even Yamcha would be better than Goku, Vegeta, Bulma, Beerus, and Whis being the only relevant characters.

We can only hope things get changed up a bit this arc, if it goes on longer than 10-15 episodes... which I think it will. DB's problem since GT has been the complete shuttering of characters, which is a shame because DB as a whole has an amazing, diverse cast of characters that have become nothing more than background decorations.

Whis and Beerus don't exactly do anything and just hang around. Bulma does the technology and I am good with these 3 the way they are. It's just Goku and Vegeta, Goku needs to disappear like he used to in Z and Vegeta needs to do the same. Toriyama needs to make up bullshit power ups, have more villains and obstacles that requires more than just Goku and Vegeta.

We can only hope things get changed up a bit this arc, if it goes on longer than 10-15 episodes... which I think it will. DB's problem since GT has been the complete shuttering of characters, which is a shame because DB as a whole has an amazing, diverse cast of characters that have become nothing more than background decorations.

Which is kind of surprising coming from Toriyama himself. Hopefully Zeno's tournament will allow enough room for the neglected characters.

The tournament depends on how many participants for each universe, It should be 5 or the fans will end up rioting though.

1. Goku
2. Vegeta
3. Piccolo
4. Buu ?
5. Future Trunks ?