Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

[fadeddreams5]

You could apply that to several characters in Dragon Ball.

Like who? I can only think of Piccolo.

[namekiansaiyan]

You could apply that to several characters in Dragon Ball.

Like who? I can only think of Piccolo.

Piccolo is nowhere near being that low.

[sintzu]

Piccolo is nowhere near being that low.

No one is, not even Yamcha.

[Beyond]

This show was so much better with Gohan and Piccolo being cool. Now they aren't even allowed to take out inconsequential fodder. They could have easily allowed Gohan to push Frieza to tarnsform into his 2nd or 3rd form(in this hypothetical Gohan would still at his buu arc level) , and they could have allowed Piccolo to beat Frost who was both weakened and seemed to be a lot worse at fighting than him anyway. The fact that it refuses to do any of these things show it has no real respect for these characters anymore. Hell Piccolo was more relevant in the buu arc not fighting than in all of super. Gohan slacking of so hard after all he has been through defies logic.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

Lol all Yamcha has done was say something stupid. He hasn't been even look bad once in super besides that.

[namekiansaiyan]

Lol all Yamcha has done was say something stupid. He hasn't been even look bad once in super besides that.

Yamcha is just the same as always.

[sintzu]

This show was so much better with Gohan and Piccolo being cool.

The fact that it refuses to do any of these things show it has no real respect for these characters anymore.

Back in the day it was trying to tell a story with interesting characters, all it is now is a merchandise commercial.

This show has no respect for anything, not its characters, not its legacy and definitely not its fans and what makes things 10× worse is that the original author is part of it.

[Kagari]

Everyone ready for this week's episode?

I'm prepared for the worst

I'm excited. This arc is full of surprises so far.

This show was so much better with Gohan and Piccolo being cool.

The fact that it refuses to do any of these things show it has no real respect for these characters anymore.

Back in the day it was trying to tell a story with interesting characters, all it is now is a merchandise commercial.

This show has no respect for anything, not its characters, not its legacy and definitely not its fans and what makes things 10× worse is that the original author is part of it.

Yeah you're right in a way. Battle of the Gods, the film version, actually handled things great but ever since Ressurection F it's been fairly inconsistent.

[sintzu]

Battle of the Gods, the film version, actually handled things great but ever since Ressurection F it's been fairly inconsistent.

That movie was everything I wanted and more from a franchise revival and you could tell from the marketing that Toriyama and Toei were extremely excited about it and it showed in the movie's quality.

RF was the complete opposite, the movie felt very lifeless and so was its marketing, it seemed like no one wanted to be apart of it and I'm getting the same feeling from Super, it's like they're being forced to work on it.

BOG showed what was possible if effort went into the product so at the time the franchise's future looked great but now...

[ChaosLordBrandon]

When will everyone just accept that Gohan is a retired fighter? Forget all that stuff concerning training with Piccolo. The manga was more canon here in that Gohan never asked Piccolo to train him anyway. Yet besides all that, how will training with him make Gohan stronger? Nope, let Gohan be with his family in peace. I keep telling yall, Pan is the new Gohan. Hope that she will inherit Goku's fighting spirit.

Also this Gohan is a retired fighter now.

[Onibaku]

Gohan being irrelevant really is bad for the whole franchise. I dont know why Toriyama is getting his feelings rule over him, but what he's doing currently is probably the worst writing he has ever done.

[sintzu]

What he's doing currently is probably the worst writing he has ever done.

I'd say bringing back Freeza just to kill him off again was his worst writing but this is a close 2nd.

[Onibaku]

What he's doing currently is probably the worst writing he has ever done.

I'd say bringing back Freeza just to kill him off again was his worst writing but this is a close 2nd.

True, that was also laughably bad

[Shinomori]

I think people would be less caring about Gohan if the show did a time skip. Right now you still have pretty much the same cast of characters as they were back in the latter end of DBZ. At that time, Gohan still had a big role in fighting against the main enemy, which was Buu. So here we are, waiting for Gohan to play a similar role because he is still pretty much the same age. If they did a time skip, people would be more interested with the progress of some of the younger characters. I've always been interested to see Pan's development myself. To see if she could take up Goku's mantle. For that reason, I seriously hope they do a time skip before the omni universal tournament. Gohan's done guys, but Pan has way more potential.

You seriously expect them to put the spotlight on Pan (or any of the young characters) after what they did to Gohan and Gotenks? The precedent has already been set, no one is allowed to touch Goku or Vegeta in terms of screen time, power or respect. Pan has no chance of doing anything worthwhile ever again, much less "take up Goku's mantle". Hell, she wasn't even allowed to do anything worthwhile in GT and she was one of the main characters!

Time Skip or not, the current handling of Gohan is unacceptable and fans have every right to voice their displeasure at it. The writers of Super (and Toriyama, if he's the one coming up with most of this stuff) are out of their minds with the demotion of good cast members as there's seemingly no logic to any of it. In the end they're only shortening the longevity of their own franchise by dismantling what few interesting characters they had in favour of an old, dying act.

Also, let's not pretend that Gohan's mishandling in the new material was the only possible way to make Goku and Vegeta stronger. Any fan could easily come up with a more plausible and more respectful path to that goal but instead, what we got was them treating fans like idiots and pretending Gohan's power somehow went away without even bothering to give us an in depth, justifiable explanation or a valid story reason for it. At the end of the day, if fans can see something is poorly executed, they're going to criticise it. Shocking I know.

I believe if they do a time skip, then Pan would certainly get a lot of attention. Unlike Gohan, Pan has shown a love for fighting. At the end of Z, she was already training with Goku and certainly shown more potential than Goku and Gohan ever showed at that age. If we were amazed with Gohan's power and potential throughout the series, Pan should be a hundred times that. If anyone was ever to embrace Goku's ways of fighting, that character can only be Pan. When it comes to Gohan, ultimately he's done. I have beef with the writers of the show in making it seem like Gohan would continue his training and perhaps still be relevant. They shouldn't have played with us in that light. However, I agree with the direction Gohan has gone in terms of becoming a family man and putting his fighting days behind him. Its the absolute contrast of Goku who wasn't always there, but instead desired to get stronger.

I truly believe this episode will mostly be about retiring Gohan's number. Now as I said before, Gohan could possibly enter the omni universal tournament, but it will only be for the kicks. When it comes to fighting off threats to earth and humanity, he's retired.

[sintzu]

The writers of Super and Toriyama are out of their minds with the demotion of good cast members as there's seemingly no logic to any of it.

In the end they're only shortening the longevity of their own franchise by dismantling what few interesting characters they had in favour of an old, dying act.

The logic is simple, who sells toys and cards gets screen time and who doesn't ends up on the side.

The franchise's longevity completely depends on merchandise sales, not interesting characters and stories.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Gohan being irrelevant really is bad for the whole franchise. I dont know why Toriyama is getting his feelings rule over him, but what he's doing currently is probably the worst writing he has ever done.

Don't really see how it is bad for the whole franchise since the franchise has been on the up ever since BoG movie.

[Lord Beerus]

You could apply that to several characters in Dragon Ball.

Like who? I can only think of Piccolo.

Master Roshi, Piccolo, Freeza (twice!) and Android 18 are the worst cases.

[Beyond]

The writers of Super and Toriyama are out of their minds with the demotion of good cast members as there's seemingly no logic to any of it.

In the end they're only shortening the longevity of their own franchise by dismantling what few interesting characters they had in favour of an old, dying act.

The logic is simple, who sells toys and cards get screen time and who don't end up on the side.

The franchise's longevity completely depends on merchandise sales, not interesting characters and stories.

The only problem I have with that is shouldn't Gohan be able to sell toys? I mean he would need to have his design changed back but still. Toriyama must be bored of him. I'm assuming If Toei had it their way every saiyan would be ss platinum by now and there would be tons of fusions between saiyans. Dragon ball super would become dragon ball heroes on crack.

[namekiansaiyan]

The writers of Super and Toriyama are out of their minds with the demotion of good cast members as there's seemingly no logic to any of it.

In the end they're only shortening the longevity of their own franchise by dismantling what few interesting characters they had in favour of an old, dying act.

The logic is simple, who sells toys and cards gets screen time and who doesn't ends up on the side.

The franchise's longevity completely depends on merchandise sales, not interesting characters and stories.

If they add parts into the series for other characters, they will sell merchandise based of them. Goku merchandise would still sell the same even if his role was cut by a little but or his roles were further apart. It must be better to have 5 characters to sell merchandise than just 2.

[sintzu]

Toriyama himself must be bored of him.

Dragon ball super would become dragon ball heroes on crack.

Toriyama isn't working on this alone so I think it's unfair to say he's the only one to blame but I do think he's part of the problem.

Toriyama isn't going to work on this forever so I think when he's done that's exactly what's going to happen to it or its sequel cause they might end it when he's done like what they did with Z and start their own project.