"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[LightBing]

I don't see any difference in them, no one in-universe noted that throwback so it was probably for nostalgia sake as well. I don't mind them trying to push those buttons.

Ok. I see a difference, no need for confirmation in the story. I know this is Dragon Ball but there's subtleties in it. Taking into account the context, I doubt it was accidental.
I don't like the nostalgia overload, it shows lack of creativity and/or courage to create original content, both in the manga and the anime.

This particular scene in the manga was well done and improved the chapter for me. Everyone enjoys art differently.

[samuo2]

It's interresting to notice that Dragon Ball Super's manga is copyrighted by Toyotarou (and note Bird Studio like Ooishi Naho) in the official announcement of Viz Media:

[sangofe]

Yes, that's a bit weird, since Toriyama's behind the story.

[Xeztin]

I wonder why they added the "U" at the end of his name.

[VegettoEX]

I wonder why they added the "U" at the end of his name.

"ou" is a common way to transliterate the extended vowel symbol without using macrons.

It's spelled とよたろう; that's to - yo - ta - ro - u. Here at Kanzenshuu we use "Toyotarō" but you can also do "Toyotarou".

Ooishi's name is similar in that we decided to go with "Ooishi" while the spelling in our alphabet in Japanese products started using "Ohishi" when they got a print release.

[Xeztin]

I wonder why they added the "U" at the end of his name.

"ou" is a common way to transliterate the extended vowel symbol without using macrons.

It's spelled とよたろう; that's to - yo - ta - ro - u. Here at Kanzenshuu we use "Toyotarō" but you can also do "Toyotarou".

Ooishi's name is similar in that we decided to go with "Ooishi" while the spelling in our alphabet in Japanese products started using "Ohishi" when they got a print release.

I see! That's pretty cool actually.

[Khin]

Sorry, in the Hit vs. Goku fight there are too many differences to mix and match information. Goku never fought Hit as a Super Saiyan or a Super Saiyan God, it was never said Super Saiyan Goku beat Hit power wise, and it was never said time skip became less effective the stronger the person is. The manga did its own thing for this fight when the anime went in a different direction. The only similarities between the two is Goku fighting in base, figuring out the time skip, and Goku ringing himself out.

Goku fighting Hit as a Super Saiyan or SSG isn't that of a major plot point for Toriyama himself to write. I'm not saying Toriyama wrote how Goku defeated the Time-Skip; but between Goku fighting Hit as a Super Saiyan/SSG and how Goku beats Hit's Time-Skip, i would say Toriyama likely decided to wrote the latter than the former. You keep saying saying the anime never said anything about my argument. Yet your argument about of Goku beating Hit via speed was also never stated anywhere.

I will explain one last time, Goku used a mixed of speed and knowing Hit's movements to move so fast that it appears he moved while time was frozen, when in reality Goku was so fast that by the time Hit froze him and he moved to attack, Goku was already way ahead of him. It's a visual effect, just like fighters don't actually disappear when moving at super speed.

Again. That don't make sense. Because we saw Hit using the Time-Skip after he got punched, so its definitely not just a visual effect. There's a big difference between a visual effect of Time-Skip being shown and a visual effect of characters seemingly disappearing.

Hit can activate the time skip fairly quickly, but he still got slammed by Goku. And Hit could stop Goku because the time skip time increased, not that it became so powerful that it held Goku by force.

Hit got punched and speed-blizted by Goku, but after that scene, he was able to get up and use the Time-Skip. As you can see in the images i posted before. And yes, Hit stopped Kaiou-ken x10 Goku via a force-improved Time-Skip (Note: Not Power Level), you can clearly see the the two scenes with Goku being frozen by a crystal-like thingy, implying Hit did it by force.

Speed was not implied even in the anime. Goku simply says, at his level, Tokitobashi won't work anymore.

Bingo !

Sorry for the very late reply. My internet connection was out for the past few days and i'm also quite busy.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Viz translation of chapter 3 is out.

[Theophrastus]

So I hadn't thought about this previously, but...we don't know who Viz has translating Super, do we? Viz technically had three people do the DB manga (Mari Morimoto translated the first 16 volumes, Lillian Olsen translated the "Z" portion, and Gerard Jones did script adaptation for the whole series).

I get the impression that Viz prefers to hand sequels off to the people who did the original if possible, so I wonder which one they have doing Super? I'd guess Olsen, since she did a larger portion of the series (and they have Morimoto working on Boruto, anyway).

[Miracles]

That was a speed feat, not a power feat. Both Goku and Hit stated that Goku out speeded the Time-Leap, not overpowered it.

Are you trying to say that Goku is faster than time ? All Goku said was that he went far beyond the reach of Time-Skip.

It's quite simple really, Hit was able to time stop Goku when the difference in power was great [However even Goku being time-stopped was still able to predict and react to multiple attacks from Hit in 0.1 seconds]. But the more power-ups Goku used he closed the gap, and Hit's amount of time that he could freeze Goku with kept on shortening [less than 0.1 seconds]. It shrank to the point where it didn't work on Goku. Hit had to power-up to make his time stop effective on Goku again. In other words he had to get on Goku's overall level of power for it to freeze him once more!

Yes, Goku was indeed faster and stronger than Hit and his time leap ability in both manga and anime. Goku's speed did indeed surpass 0.1 seconds [through transformations] to the point Hit couldn't stop him in both manga and anime. The anime just went farther in detail with various techniques. After Hit powered up he was able to increase his time freeze to 0.2 seconds, 0.5 seconds etc. Which allowed it to work on Goku again. In the manga, Hit powered up to where he assumed time leap would work again on Goku for the "full" 0.1 seconds. But Goku just went Blue form surpassing that level of power Hit had powered up to and being faster than time leap in Hit's stronger state.

Either way, both anime and manga were demonstrating that overall abilities [Time leap, Kamehamehaha, strength, speed etc] are increased through power ups/levels. Both accomplished what they wanted to explain.

[Noah]

So... When is the next chapter?

[Grimlock]

July 21st.

[Khin]

It's quite simple really, Hit was able to time stop Goku when the difference in power was great [However even Goku being time-stopped was still able to predict and react to multiple attacks from Hit in 0.1 seconds]. But the more power-ups Goku used he closed the gap, and Hit's amount of time that he could freeze Goku with kept on shortening [less than 0.1 seconds]. It shrank to the point where it didn't work on Goku. Hit had to power-up to make his time stop effective on Goku again. In other words he had to get on Goku's overall level of power for it to freeze him once more!

Um.. Dude, we were referring to the anime on the posts you quoted. My argument is that the the way how Goku defeated Hit's Time-Skip in the anime is similar to the manga (Increasing his power level to the point where the amount of time that Hit can freeze became very insignificant). In short, the bigger the gap between Goku and Hit, the little the amount of time Hit can freeze. After that, Hit extends his Time-Skip to the point where it can freeze Goku by force. Though the gap between the two is still too big that Hit can't deal any significant damage to Goku without using his killing techniques. HeroR's argument is that Goku defeated Hit's Time-Skip through speed, and not power and he thinks the way how Goku defeated Hit's Time-Skip in the anime is very different compared to the manga; which i highly disagree.

[Chelentano]

So... When is the next chapter?

Same question every month...sigh

[Nejishiki]

V-Jump, Shueisha's multimedia-focused magazine (which is primarily video games, but does include other anime/manga/etc. coverage) is released on the 21st of each month (barring a Sunday or a holiday, in which case it gets moved up a day or two as needed). It is always post-dated two months ahead. The September 2016 issue will be released July 21st.

[Miracles]

It's quite simple really, Hit was able to time stop Goku when the difference in power was great [However even Goku being time-stopped was still able to predict and react to multiple attacks from Hit in 0.1 seconds]. But the more power-ups Goku used he closed the gap, and Hit's amount of time that he could freeze Goku with kept on shortening [less than 0.1 seconds]. It shrank to the point where it didn't work on Goku. Hit had to power-up to make his time stop effective on Goku again. In other words he had to get on Goku's overall level of power for it to freeze him once more!

Um.. Dude, we were referring to the anime on the posts you quoted. My argument is that the the way how Goku defeated Hit's Time-Skip in the anime is similar to the manga (Increasing his power level to the point where the amount of time that Hit can freeze became very insignificant). In short, the bigger the gap between Goku and Hit, the little the amount of time Hit can freeze. After that, Hit extends his Time-Skip to the point where it can freeze Goku by force. Though the gap between the two is still too big that Hit can't deal any significant damage to Goku without using his killing techniques. HeroR's argument is that Goku defeated Hit's Time-Skip through speed, and not power and he thinks the way how Goku defeated Hit's Time-Skip in the anime is very different compared to the manga; which i highly disagree.

The other guy is wrong on how he thinks the anime and manga are different in the way Goku beat Hit. I explained in my last post. My point was that both of you are correct on how Goku beat Hit's time stop. It was through power that Goku's speed increased. He used the power ups to increase overall ability which includes speed. Therefore, overcoming Hit's time stop by being on a higher level in speed and power.

[Pannaliciour]

We have to look at the essence between the manga and anime. Toriyama wanted:
1)Goku to predict Hits movements
2)beat Time Skip by having a higher power &.
3)Hit dodging Goku's kamehameha

In the end Toriyama gave both the manga and anime to work this out. How they do this its up to them not him.

The manga explains everthing better but anime works it out better.

[Alee9977]

We have to look at the essence between the manga and anime. Toriyama wanted:
1)Goku to predict Hits movements
2)beat Time Skip by having a higher power &.
3)Hit dodging Goku's kamehameha

In the end Toriyama gave both the manga and anime to work this out. How they do this its up to them not him.

The manga explains everthing better but anime works it out better.

Maybe in the script Toriyama gives to Toei and Toyotaro he is specific in some things and in others he gives total freedom to do whatever they want, as long as it makes sense (something Toei may not be doing too much).

[OLKv3]

I'm interested to see if Goku uses SSJ2 and SSJ3 in the manga version of the Trunks arc. I honestly didn't think the manga would go this far, I thought it'd end after the Champa arc since it's so far behind

Also wondering if we'll see Future Trunks vs Black as it happens or will it be relegated to a brief flashback summary as Trunks explains everything to Goku and company. Some seem to think the arc will start in the present with Trunks arriving.

[Neon Z]

I think we'll see Trunks in the future before going to the present - what we probably won't get are most scenes in the present before Trunks goes back. I guess they'll keep the exposition about the destroyed universes, but that will be it.