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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by samuo2 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:58 am

dbgtFO wrote:
samuo2 wrote:Oh, and you can thank Psykomatik who doesn't know keep a secret, without discuss with Alehas and Akoz.
Bullshit.
If they're silly enough to reveal to complete strangers that they have lied and posed as a real person on the internet for whatever reason, they should not be blaming or feeling angry at anyone, but themselves, that said stranger would expose their secret to the rest of the fandom.
They aren't strangers for Psykomatik and I.
They wanted to avoid this case where everybody hatin' about them because of a joke.
Ajay wrote:Why is it bad? Because it's misleading. It tells a false story of Super's production and has allowed for false narratives to be spun as a result.

You've got videos over YouTube of people (myself included) wondering and theorising about why on earth Toei would be throwing away key animation in an already troubled series.

For months now, we've had fans wondering why Kuririn's hair changed, what the original tournament results were, and what Toriyama's intentions were.

It's absolutely fine to play pranks as long as they're made clear in a timely fashion, but when you impersonate a real animator, post up several frames across a lengthy period of time, and then fail to disclose the information seven months later, you've turned a prank into outright deceit and deception.

That is not okay.
With all due respect:

It started with a simply joke, what's the problem about it ?

When they realised the terrible extent it takes with professional like you who know a lot about animation doing video, leaks releasing in the whole world, they were (surely) scared about the reactions of people, it just is normal!

The results are that you blame they because it falses all your speculation (and mines too) but you're the only responsable of this, they couldn't guess that everybody will be tricked!
Akoz confessed to me that he hoped more people reflected about it because they were evidences placed intentionnally to show the trick! (for exemple, there's not Toei' logo on genga)

And for me, it show one things: it's that no matter how many things we know about animation, we can already be tricked, or just in the wrong way. We have to keep feet on Earth about it.

(But you're right about their pseudo, I didn't know this animator and it's not cool to borrow his name like this, but for me it's understandable, if they didn't choose a name which look like a real animator's one, it would be less believable.
And I think they never pretended to be the one they take the name, just a deduction everybody has did.)
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by Ajay » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:13 am

No, I'm sorry, but you can't turn around and go, "No, it's not our fault! It's your fault for disseminating this information! We left clues! You should have known!"

That's nonsense.

Anyone with a shred of self respect would have noticed people rolling with that story the instant it came out and done everything in their power to ensure folks knew it was a prank.

You cannot turn up seven months down the line when the damage is already done and start pointing fingers at other people. You don't get to do that.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by Nejishiki » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:15 am

It was still done under the pretense of deception. For the sake of history, reports are falsified and that truly isn't okay. This forum is against misinformation and we've unwittingly contributed to what our standards are against, if it turns out this is all a joke. It's no different from taking the YouTube videos seriously, but they're well made enough that we believe the information is genuine to record into official documents. The long lasting effects such as the, "Toriyama decided to end the series at [X]", rumor is still a persisting issue despite evidence towards the contrary decades later.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by Roymustang16 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:24 am

samuo2 wrote: It started with a simply joke, what's the problem about it ?

When they realised the terrible extent it takes with professional like you who know a lot about animation doing video, leaks releasing in the whole world, they were (surely) scared about the reactions of people, it just is normal!

The results are that you blame they because it falses all your speculation (and mines too) but you're the only responsable of this, they couldn't guess that everybody will be tricked!
Akoz confessed to me that he hoped more people reflected about it because they were evidences placed intentionnally to show the trick! (for exemple, there's not Toei' logo on genga)

And for me, it show one things: it's that no matter how many things we know about animation, we can already be tricked, or just in the wrong way. We have to keep feet on Earth about it.
Seriously samuo2 ? You must be kidding ? A joke is a funny thing, this is not funny, don't forget that Akoz is seen as one of the most informed member about animation on a french forum (and until now I trusted him, just in case i'm Azerty16), this is a complete misinformation, when you do your best to gather information about Super's Production, behind the scene information, check what is true and false and when a well-informed member like him post and say bullshit (because of course he commented these fake tweet and said complete crap about it) then this is not a joke but a big deception.

As Ajay said, we believe these fake drawings for seven months, during these seven months we were wondering why these drawings were not approved and not used, if it has something to do with the fact that they were a second series director coming, or something to do with the fake summaries that coul'd ve been legit in a first place. We've been saying crap about this story for months, and Akoz, just like a kid who made a mistake, couldn't say the truth (he is not 8 years old come on) ?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:27 am

Nice to know that they aren't actually throwing away perfectly good art.
Mazingerdestro wrote:Wow the new image from 53 had sooooooo many bad animation flags.
At this point I can lower my standards as long as the character designs are good.
Fix the faces and the bodies sized and see people start liking the show in no time
?
Looks fine to me.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by dhaval_dongre » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:32 am

samuo2 I think its justified if people are pissed off. The prank went on for too long. It would have been fine if everything was revealed in time. I understand that the intentions weren't bad, but still you can't blame the fans if they are angry at the moment.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by samuo2 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:56 am

Ajay wrote:No, I'm sorry, but you can't turn around and go, "No, it's not our fault! It's your fault for disseminating this information! We left clues! You should have known!"

That's nonsense.

Anyone with a shred of self respect would have noticed people rolling with that story the instant it came out and done everything in their power to ensure folks knew it was a prank.

You cannot turn up seven months down the line when the damage is already done and start pointing fingers at other people. You don't get to do that.
Please that's not what I said (or what I tried to saiy, sorry if you took it like that, my bad).

Anyway, I'm thinking they would never revealing the trick and let you think that these leaks were officials, when I see all this hate against 2 Dragon Ball fans who tricked everybody, your reactions are the same as people who bring an humorist down because he didn't get he second-degree joke.

Roymustang16 wrote: Seriously samuo2 ? You must be kidding ? A joke is a funny thing, this is not funny, don't forget that Akoz is seen as one of the most informed member about animation on a french forum (and until now I trusted him, just in case i'm Azerty16), this is a complete misinformation, when you do your best to gather information about Super's Production, behind the scene information, check what is true and false and when a well-informed member like him post and say bullshit (because of course he commented these fake tweet and said complete crap about it) then this is not a joke but a big deception.

As Ajay said, we believe these fake drawings for seven months, during these seven months we were wondering why these drawings were not approved and not used, if it has something to do with the fact that they were a second series director coming, or something to do with the fake summaries that coul'd ve been legit in a first place. We've been saying crap about this story for months, and Akoz, just like a kid who made a mistake, couldn't say the truth (he is not 8 years old come on) ?
Hi Azert16!

I've reading older Akoz post on db-z.com, no misinformation about the leaks, he keep a reticent position as if you would transmit a message. Plus he denied all speculation about members who implied that it was officiel genga, logo and other.

It's crazy how you don't support you were wrong, it's not the end of the world! We created our own "behind the scene" sometimes it's denied, that's the game, w'eve to know to be fair-play, it was well-played nothing to add!
It's not the first time a theory is break up, and not the last time, this time it's was a fan creation, I just have respect for them to succed to trick everyone.

I will stop speak at their place, I try to explain the situation but I feel you're a bit narrow-minded.
Just hope this story will not sully their reputations.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by nite_jay » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:34 am

ArchedThunder wrote:Nice to know that they aren't actually throwing away perfectly good art.
Mazingerdestro wrote:Wow the new image from 53 had sooooooo many bad animation flags.
At this point I can lower my standards as long as the character designs are good.
Fix the faces and the bodies sized and see people start liking the show in no time
?
Looks fine to me.
It looked like a normal inbetween to me. I'd be suprised if that was a still. Even then it doesn't look that bad, as the image was really low quality anyway.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by Alee9977 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:52 pm

nite_jay wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:Nice to know that they aren't actually throwing away perfectly good art.
Mazingerdestro wrote:Wow the new image from 53 had sooooooo many bad animation flags.
At this point I can lower my standards as long as the character designs are good.
Fix the faces and the bodies sized and see people start liking the show in no time
?
Looks fine to me.
It looked like a normal inbetween to me. I'd be suprised if that was a still. Even then it doesn't look that bad, as the image was really low quality anyway.
Besides, they have 1 week more to correct it if they want to, but if it is an inbetween then it's perfect, although it seems to be a still one.

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Post by kinisking » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:02 pm

Mazingerdestro wrote:Wow the new image from 53 had sooooooo many bad animation flags.
At this point I can lower my standards as long as the character designs are good.
Fix the faces and the bodies sized and see people start liking the show in no time
What? That looks good
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by A Man named RJ » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:25 pm

samuo2 wrote:
Ajay wrote:No, I'm sorry, but you can't turn around and go, "No, it's not our fault! It's your fault for disseminating this information! We left clues! You should have known!"

That's nonsense.

Anyone with a shred of self respect would have noticed people rolling with that story the instant it came out and done everything in their power to ensure folks knew it was a prank.

You cannot turn up seven months down the line when the damage is already done and start pointing fingers at other people. You don't get to do that.
Please that's not what I said (or what I tried to saiy, sorry if you took it like that, my bad).

Anyway, I'm thinking they would never revealing the trick and let you think that these leaks were officials, when I see all this hate against 2 Dragon Ball fans who tricked everybody, your reactions are the same as people who bring an humorist down because he didn't get he second-degree joke.

Roymustang16 wrote: Seriously samuo2 ? You must be kidding ? A joke is a funny thing, this is not funny, don't forget that Akoz is seen as one of the most informed member about animation on a french forum (and until now I trusted him, just in case i'm Azerty16), this is a complete misinformation, when you do your best to gather information about Super's Production, behind the scene information, check what is true and false and when a well-informed member like him post and say bullshit (because of course he commented these fake tweet and said complete crap about it) then this is not a joke but a big deception.

As Ajay said, we believe these fake drawings for seven months, during these seven months we were wondering why these drawings were not approved and not used, if it has something to do with the fact that they were a second series director coming, or something to do with the fake summaries that coul'd ve been legit in a first place. We've been saying crap about this story for months, and Akoz, just like a kid who made a mistake, couldn't say the truth (he is not 8 years old come on) ?
Hi Azert16!

I've reading older Akoz post on db-z.com, no misinformation about the leaks, he keep a reticent position as if you would transmit a message. Plus he denied all speculation about members who implied that it was officiel genga, logo and other.

It's crazy how you don't support you were wrong, it's not the end of the world! We created our own "behind the scene" sometimes it's denied, that's the game, w'eve to know to be fair-play, it was well-played nothing to add!
It's not the first time a theory is break up, and not the last time, this time it's was a fan creation, I just have respect for them to succed to trick everyone.

I will stop speak at their place, I try to explain the situation but I feel you're a bit narrow-minded.
Just hope this story will not sully their reputations.
It's understandable to be scared that your joke went too far, but it's still your responsibility to clarify that it's just a joke. That didnt happen, misinformation has gone out. It's now reaally difficult to correct this.

And frankly denying them being real means absolutely jack squat, when he was the one who did it in the first place. Just say "look guys this was a prank gone too far" yes people would have been pissed, BUT it would have shown a bit more to their integrity. now somebody else comes out, and tells the truth and they look like children unable to tell the truth after peeing the bed. "no misinformation about the leaks" means nothing when he made them in the first place. so he did leake misinformation just by them being presented as official in the first place.

Also @Ajay, you should probably go and add an annotation on this video now, lol
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by samuo2 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:59 pm

I never met Akoz. I've just repeated something somebody else tells me. Maybe I'm wrong, tho.
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Post by BakaManiaHD » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:00 pm

Mazingerdestro wrote:Wow the new image from 53 had sooooooo many bad animation flags.
At this point I can lower my standards as long as the character designs are good.
Fix the faces and the bodies sized and see people start liking the show in no time
Wtf? How?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by Psykomatik » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:04 pm

Guys, don't be rude with them. They didn't know these drawings would be so much popularised. They're just fans like us, and they've been scared about the proportions of the story. Now, you have the truth, so please don't be rude with them, their goal wasn't to prank the Dragon Ball Community, and when they wanted to tell the truth, it was hard because they were scared about the reactions, and it's understandable. We just have to applause and say "bravo" to them, they are fantastic guys and they deserve respect, just like everyone here on the board.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by Alee9977 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:13 pm

Psykomatik wrote:Guys, don't be rude with them. They didn't know these drawings would be so much popularised. They're just fans like us, and they've been scared about the proportions of the story. Now, you have the truth, so please don't be rude with them, their goal wasn't to prank the Dragon Ball Community, and when they wanted to tell the truth, it was hard because they were scared about the reactions, and it's understandable. We just have to applause and say "bravo" to them, they are fantastic guys and they deserve respect, just like everyone here on the board.
If that wasn't their goal then what was it? They should have said the truth before those images were spread all over the internet, everybody must think the consecuences of their actions before doing anything.
I'm not mad or anything but there is people that didn't like this, so instead of saying it was another person's fault, they should apologize.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by Psykomatik » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:18 pm

They never said it was another person's fault. That's what samuo2 said, but neither Akoz, nor Alehas claimed it. They were just scared, and they are still scared about the reactions, and God they were right. See, how you're reacting, it's unfair for them. Please, don't be mad at them.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by Alee9977 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:35 pm

Ok, but please, clarify this
https://twitter.com/Akoz_Sama/status/754363626484629504
You both are telling this story but he is denying it, so what's the truth?

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Post by Sodhi » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:40 pm

Wow can't believe this. All this time I was fooled into thinking things were getting changed last minute.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by Psykomatik » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:41 pm

Alee9977 wrote:Ok, but please, clarify this
https://twitter.com/Akoz_Sama/status/754363626484629504
You both are telling this story but he is denying it, so what's the truth?
Yeah he's right. Like samuo2, i've never met Akoz in my whole life. I've just repeated something somebody else tells me. He may be wrong, but who knows?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #51]

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:49 pm

Psykomatik wrote:Everyone, remember the shots of Cabba with Goku, of Cabba alone, Krilin without hair etc. which has been leaked some times before the Champa arc? They're all fake.
The twitter who shares the shots is a fake account created by @Akoz_Sama, the shots are from him. I saw them at the Japan Expo and he told me the story...
What? And who thought it would be a good idea to confuse the fanbase like this? There is already a lot of misinformation within the franchise, and we really don't need stuff like this just misinforming fans even more.

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