"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Zephyr]

If Vegeta could be redeemed then anyone can.

Vegeta never killed directly one of the main characters. That's the line in DB.

Piccolo definitely crossed this line then. Also, in a world where death has little consequence as it does, trying to kill someone ought to be the same as actually succeeding.

[Hellspawn28]

It's possible that they can always use the Mafuba to defeat Black.

Or maybe the Z sword if they repair it, that will be interesting.

If you mean by stealing him up in the Z Sword, it remind me what they did with Xicor in the AF fan manga from Toyable.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Does anyone else get the feeling Vegeta will somehow end up being controlled?

Oh, I hope not. Majin Vegeta, Vegeta-Baby, Copy Vegeta... it's enough already.
I'm not against other Black characters appearing, though. Black might take on another body than his Goku-Black form. You could bring back some pretty strange choices of people with that. Raditz-Black, for example, which I'd find hilarious. It might even culminate in something like Vegito-Black or Gokhan-Black being the final villain.

If Black can take a form then Gohan Black would be awesome on so many levels. One massive troll on the Gohan fans While the final bout is happening in the future or something we cut to the real Gohan at some super important lecture, him wondering what to have for lunch! Haha.

[fadeddreams5]

There was nothing more satisfying than seeing the androids being destroyed by Trunks. I hope, somehow, he gets the finishing blow on Black.

[Puto]

If Vegeta could be redeemed then anyone can.

Vegeta never killed directly one of the main characters. That's the line in DB.

Piccolo definitely crossed this line then. Also, in a world where death has little consequence as it does, trying to kill someone ought to be the same as actually succeeding.

The original Piccolo yes, not the Piccolo that turned good. Okay, so he killed Goku, but that was to defeat Radits, it doesn't really "count".

[Shuby]

Gohan went from:

This


to this


Videl from this


to this


Cool transformation concept with an logical explanation
to recoloring lazyness.

The Z-cast went from being somewhat relevant


to this


And people call Toriyama a good story writer of a genuis while everyone except goku and vegeta are relevant. And transformations are done lazy.

[Luso Saiyan]

And people call Toriyama a good story writer of a genuis while everyone except goku and vegeta are relevant. And transformations are done lazy.

Your subjective preferences are not a fact. And you can leave the selective memory and cherry-picking.

[Soppa Saia People]

Why did you post that twice ? In two very active topics no less.

[namekiansaiyan]

And people call Toriyama a good story writer of a genuis while everyone except goku and vegeta are relevant. And transformations are done lazy.

Your subjective preferences are not a fact. And you can leave the selective memory and cherry-picking.

It's obviously not a fact but many people agree with that statement.

[ArchedThunder]

Why did you post that twice ? In two very active topics no less.

Because he wants to make sure everyone sees his shit post.

[Bullza]

Yeah he's pushing his opinion a little hard ain't he?

SSJ4 never looked cool to begin with, looks lame to be honest. Why does transforming into a SSJ4 give him pants and a waistband that he wasn't wearing before So logical.

[Luso Saiyan]

It's obviously not a fact but many people agree with that statement.

The amount of people who agree or disagree is irrelevant for its validity. And resorting to fallacies and irrational claims doesn't help his argument at all. On the contrary.

[namekiansaiyan]

It's obviously not a fact but many people agree with that statement.

The amount of people who agree or disagree is irrelevant for its validity. And resorting to fallacies and irrational claims doesn't help his argument at all. On the contrary.

There are a lot of examples to back up his point. How about you provide counterexamples instead of just saying his statement is false.

[Kamiccolo9]

Based on the extreme amount of frivilous complaint in this and other threads, I have discovered a composite sketch of what "people" seem to think Super should be.

[spoiler][/spoiler]
There you go. Nonstop action, with no comedy or character development, or even dialogue, fuck it, because we just want people with crazy hair shooting lazerz at each other amirite?

[Shuby]

When you can't come up with good arguments just say well it's subjective or call me shit the amount of apologists this series has is beyond me

SSj4 looked logical and had a logical transformation , a reason behind it.

It's a fact that most z-cast fighters are irrelevant when it comes to fighting , proven with the fact that Piccolo and Krillin were doing irrelvant things in the latest ep.

lazy transformation is subjective?

So recolloring the hair or skin(golden frieza) or a frieza lookalike (frost) is absolutely genuinely new

Defend further apologists

[sintzu]

And people call Toriyama a good story writer.

I haven't agreed with everything he's done lately but to me the original is a masterpiece and it has gone beyond just being a good story to becoming an influence that other mangaka follow so that's more than enough to qualify him as a great writer.

[Shuby]

And people call Toriyama a good story writer.

I haven't agreed with everything he's done lately but to me the original is a masterpiece and more than enough to qualify him as a great writer.

More like an average writer , a great writer never disregards a lot of his established lore or story.
I guess if you watch a lot of other animes other then just dragon ball you know what i mean

[JulieYBM]

Are you saying you placed more thought into your argument than Toriyama did in his creative process for defining the look of and drawing Super Saiyan God character designs? Because I'm pretty confident Toriyama spent more than an hour conceptualizing and drawing his art.

'Lazy' sure would be a common word to need more than an hour to boil one's argument down to.

[Overlord78]

And people call Toriyama a good story writer.

I haven't agreed with everything he's done lately but to me the original is a masterpiece and it has gone beyond just being a good story to becoming an influence that other mangaka follow so that's more than enough to qualify him as a great writer.

Even then I would just call him an average writer back in his prime. His writing went downhill for me after Namek.

[sintzu]

Nonstop action with no character development.

What character development are you talking about ? Super's characters haven't changed one bit since the 1st episode.

Vegeta changed a bit I guess but that's about it.