GT Characters in Mainstream DB Games

[dangerouslover]

So a lot of people seem to hate Dragon Ball GT, and honestly I've come to accept it. But there is a strong piece of the Dragon Ball fandom that loves GT, myself included. And when we get a new Dragon Ball game, it's almost like fighting tooth and nail just to get the three main villains of GT into the game. I speak of course about Baby (Vegeta and/or Great Ape), Super 17, and Omega Shenron. Just recently, the duo of Eis and Nouva made their return to the series after being gone from mainstay console games since (I believe) BT3 when they came back as DLC for the GT Packs in Dragon Ball Xenoverse. And that was great, because it gave us a huge variety to DB games that we don't usually get.

But what about the other GT villains? What about Don Kee and his bodyguard Ledgic? What about the Para Brothers? What about Omega Shenron's first form, Sin Shenron? What about Baby's original form? There are a number of GT villains that I have come to really like besides just the main three, and it's always made me wonder...

Will we EVER get to see these guys in a new Dragon Ball game?

I mean, it's amazing how we don't get these guys, but we get guys like Appule, Raspberry, and Qui. Maybe it's just me, but one slot for "Frieza's soldier" with different presets becoming a different soldier is a lot better than taking up three slots. Plus, it would allow us to get guys like Don Kee, Ledgic, the Para Brothers, or General Rilldo just to name a few possibilities.

[kbrooksgohan]

So a lot of people seem to hate Dragon Ball GT, and honestly I've come to accept it. But there is a strong piece of the Dragon Ball fandom that loves GT, myself included. And when we get a new Dragon Ball game, it's almost like fighting tooth and nail just to get the three main villains of GT into the game. I speak of course about Baby (Vegeta and/or Great Ape), Super 17, and Omega Shenron. Just recently, the duo of Eis and Nouva made their return to the series after being gone from mainstay console games since (I believe) BT3 when they came back as DLC for the GT Packs in Dragon Ball Xenoverse. And that was great, because it gave us a huge variety to DB games that we don't usually get.

But what about the other GT villains? What about Don Kee and his bodyguard Ledgic? What about the Para Brothers? What about Omega Shenron's first form, Sin Shenron? What about Baby's original form? There are a number of GT villains that I have come to really like besides just the main three, and it's always made me wonder...

Will we EVER get to see these guys in a new Dragon Ball game?

I mean, it's amazing how we don't get these guys, but we get guys like Appule, Raspberry, and Qui. Maybe it's just me, but one slot for "Frieza's soldier" with different presets becoming a different soldier is a lot better than taking up three slots. Plus, it would allow us to get guys like Don Kee, Ledgic, the Para Brothers, or General Rilldo just to name a few possibilities.

Totally agree with you. I would like to see the rest of the main cast of Gt. Gt Vegeta(Base, SS1/2,SS4), Goten,Gohan, Uub,Rildo,etc.

I'm really tired of them not completing the series. There's only a few characters left. If they finish it then they won't have to worry about including it anymore. It will already be there. I'm also really tired of Dimps skipping forms of characters. They did it to Broly and they've done it to Baby Vegeta in Infinite World. I want complete versions of the characters. Don't really want Don Kee he didn't fight. Or the Para Brothers. But Ledgic,Rildo, Baby(with and without absorption's),and the rest of the Shadow Dragons would be great. I would also like more stages from Gt. M2,Super 17's pit(city stage pit),etc.

[VegettoEX]

The reason you're seeing Appule & Co. is because, in games like Xenoverse, they can be easily color swapped/adapted/duplicated to have multiple, generic opponents to fight at once (see also: Saibaimen). You can't do that with larger, more-important characters, GT or otherwise. They're added to be cannon-fodder, and they're not taking the place of anyone else in terms of development time or resources; they're there as a design necessity.

I think that's something to really consider: them adding Oren doesn't then in turn mean you're therefore NOT getting Rild.

For a game that is not (or series of games that are not) specifically branded as "GT", I think it's pretty fair and impressive how much they're still keeping from that series.

[Dbzfan94]

Don Kee wasn't even a fighter nor were the Para Brothers. Ledgic would be cool though as a GT fan myself
But I would really live to see GT Gohan and Goten over Don Kee any day lol

[Darknat]

I would also like more GT characters. However, I don't agree that GT has that much of a difficult time to get characters into games. Original DB usually has it even worse. Very few games even add Piccolo or Tao Pai Pai. Not to mention, no one added Black in his mechasuit to any fighting DB game yet. Also for some reason the Dragon Ball movies have been always ignored even though they could add Lucifer or Gastell easily.

[Soppa Saia People]

As much as I like GT, we need more original Dragon Ball characters before GT characters.

[dangerouslover]

As much as I like GT, we need more original Dragon Ball characters before GT characters.

Considering Gohan took out General Tao without any problems, in his base form; there's no need to put original Dragon Ball characters into the game. Even King Piccolo, which is by far the most powerful Dragon Ball character, would be outclassed. The power scaling wouldn't make any sense whatsoever.

[Soppa Saia People]

As much as I like GT, we need more original Dragon Ball characters before GT characters.

Considering Gohan took out General Tao without any problems, in his base form; there's no need to put original Dragon Ball characters into the game. Even King Piccolo, which is by far the most powerful Dragon Ball character, would be outclassed. The power scaling wouldn't make any sense whatsoever.

So ? You can beat Whis with Appule if you want on Xenoverse. People like those characters as do I, and people want to play as them. Not to mention, those characters are from a 3rd of the story, there important, unlike most of the GT characters.
Also who in the hell is General Tao ?
Edit: So he's Tao Pai Pai's dub name, which is werid because I thought it was Mercenary Tao, I'm lost here.

[Hellspawn28]

Most GT characters are not very popular. Not to mention some of the Shadow Dragons are too big to be playable. I would like to see Bebi's no Vegeta forms in a game for once. His fight with Goten was pretty decent.

[Lord Beerus]

As much as I like GT, we need more original Dragon Ball characters before GT characters.

This. This. A thousand times yes. The original Dragon Ball has gotten next to no love from mainstream Dragon Ball games.

[TekTheNinja]

I thought it was Mercenary Tao, I'm lost here.

I think it's just often confused with General Tso.

[MetaMoss]

I thought it was Mercenary Tao, I'm lost here.

I think it's just often confused with General Tso.

I think it was just that Funimation's localization team circa 2000 got a lot of details off about the Red Ribbon arc when doing the callbacks during the Androids era (ie Dr. Gero being Red Ribbon's leader), so they somehow got the impression that Tao Pai Pai was a Red Ribbon general rather than a hired assassin.

[nite_jay]

The least they could do is give GT Kid Goku an alternate Kame Sen'nin dogi.

[TekTheNinja]

I thought it was Mercenary Tao, I'm lost here.

I think it's just often confused with General Tso.

I think it was just that Funimation's localization team circa 2000 got a lot of details off about the Red Ribbon arc when doing the callbacks during the Androids era (ie Dr. Gero being Red Ribbon's leader), so they somehow got the impression that Tao Pai Pai was a Red Ribbon general rather than a hired assassin.

No I don't thing he was ever actually called a general in the dub. What I meant was that people just sometimes call him that incorrectly.

[MetaMoss]

I think it's just often confused with General Tso.

I think it was just that Funimation's localization team circa 2000 got a lot of details off about the Red Ribbon arc when doing the callbacks during the Androids era (ie Dr. Gero being Red Ribbon's leader), so they somehow got the impression that Tao Pai Pai was a Red Ribbon general rather than a hired assassin.

No I don't thing he was ever actually called a general in the dub. What I meant was that people just sometimes call him that incorrectly.

He was when he showed up in some filler right before the Cell Games. Even got an episode title with that name.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I like the designs of most of the GT characters for the sake of CaC material, but people still holding onto that dated 'hatred' of GT shouldn't be relevant at this point. I see nothing wrong with having the characters in the main games. Most of the games usually just have the gutted elements that people do like about it as the center focus. SS4 Goku & Vegeta, Gogeta, The Baby arc, Super 17, fight with Nova and Omega Shenron, the Red Dragon for more wishing options, I really don't see where the hate would come from beyond that, unless people just need some memes they need to hate, even in spite of the logical compromise.

[Darknat]

I like the designs of most of the GT characters for the sake of CaC material, but people still holding onto that dated 'hatred' of GT shouldn't be relevant at this point. I see nothing wrong with having the characters in the main games. Most of the games usually just have the gutted elements that people do like about it as the center focus. SS4 Goku & Vegeta, Gogeta, The Baby arc, Super 17, fight with Nova and Omega Shenron, the Red Dragon for more wishing options, I really don't see where the hate would come from beyond that, unless people just need some memes they need to hate, even in spite of the logical compromise.

A lot of people hate GT and don't want it around, and a lot of people don't want DB characters because they are not as strong.

I don't see a problem with any of them. You may not like GT, but having more characters, more story and more variety shouldn't be a problem for the people who hate it. If you hate it, just don't use them and don't play their story mode.

Regarding DB, it has a differnet issue, people don't want them because they "can't compete" with Z characters, even thought we are talking about a fighting game where characters like Chaotzu can fight with Gogeta. In the end, is not a problem and they add variety to the roster. Regardless if they can or can't fly, that's up to the developers. I wouldn't mind if they made everyone able to fly, or if they went with the Spike approach and make them fall after a few seconds.

[Luke Groundwalker]

As much as I like GT, we need more original Dragon Ball characters before GT characters.

This. This. A thousand times yes. The original Dragon Ball has gotten next to no love from mainstream Dragon Ball games.

Yep it's ridiculous how this gets skipped out upon. Even in Extreme Butoden for the 3DS, the Dragonball stuff was regulated to support characters only, despite it being a perfect way to balance whatever "power scaling" may exist with the 2D battling system. I personally don't ask for much here, but I would like to at least see the important characters like Tao Pai Pai and King Piccolo consistently represented in these games. If Mr. Satan can be placed in every Dragonball fighting game, as well as Jaco as of recently, I don't see why you couldn't put more original DB rep.

[Neon Z]

I guess the issue with original Dragonball characters is no flight. They can ignore that or show that in other ways (like slowly falling in Tenkaichi), but either way it ends up feeling odd. I guess there's Piccolo Daimao, but I guess him being another 'Piccolo' works against him.

Even in Extreme Butoden for the 3DS, the Dragonball stuff was regulated to support characters only, despite it being a perfect way to balance whatever "power scaling" may exist with the 2D battling system.

But that's because the actual playable cast of Extreme Butoden was fairly small, and several of them were SSJ pallet swaps (most notably how they had weakened Buu Saga SSJ Gohan using Ultimate Gohan's sprites, so he wears Goku's gi and has a melee focused moveset). It didn't have any playable characters from GT either. Even Yamcha, Tenshinhan and 17, who appear in most games nowadays, were left out.

[sangofe]

I have, to this day, never understood why General Rild has never been in a game. So much potentional to that character.