Hit fight - anime vs manga

[z_cherub]

I'm just getting around to reading the Super manga, & noticed a few rather large differences in the Hit fight. The most glaring of these, to me, was the SSJ God appearance and the explanation of SSJ Blue's stamina limitations from Whis (baiscally, SSJ God overpowers SSJ Blue if Blue is used too frequently).

How do you feel about this? Does it make SSJ God too accessible (no ritual)? Does it minimize Blue's usefulness too much? Should it be totally disregarded since the anime is the true source material? Works just fine?

EDIT: made changes to image per moderators request.

Here's a grab of the panel in question:

[jplaya2023]

it's a good thing the manga isn't canon because it messes up everything the anime has.

In the anime we're told that you needed to have a perfect relaxed ki to even get to ssj blue.

Now all of a sudden vegeta who uses blue for less than a minute against cabba somehow had no stamina or power left to fight hit. It just doesn't make sense for me in the least. Goku being a stronger ssj red then vegeta ssj blue makes no sense as well.

The anime's explanation to me is better

[z_cherub]

it's a good thing the manga isn't canon because it messes up everything the anime has.

In the anime we're told that you needed to have a perfect relaxed ki to even get to ssj blue.

Now all of a sudden vegeta who uses blue for less than a minute against cabba somehow had no stamina or power left to fight hit. It just doesn't make sense for me in the least. Goku being a stronger ssj red then vegeta ssj blue makes no sense as well.

The anime's explanation to me is better

I tend to agree. The whole idea of SSJ Blue is efficiency & no wasted energy IIRC, so this really sticks out as odd.

It's a shame because the manga is so pretty as compared to much of the anime... It might be my preferred method of following Super if it weren't for stuff like this.

[Khin]

- it's a good thing the manga isn't canon because it messes up everything the anime has.
- In the anime we're told that you needed to have a perfect relaxed ki to even get to ssj blue.
- Now all of a sudden vegeta who uses blue for less than a minute against cabba somehow had no stamina or power left to fight hit. It just doesn't make sense for me in the least.
- Goku being a stronger ssj red then vegeta ssj blue makes no sense as well.

- Neither the manga nor the anime is "canon" because there is no confirmed canon. And also, manga and anime aren't supposed to work together. They're completely different stories with different writers.
- Nowhere was that ever specifically stated.
- As you can see in the image above you. Vegeta lost a lot of his power due to transforming from SSjBlue to Base back-and-forth. Not because the amount of time he used the form.
- SSj God Goku was only stronger than SSj Blue Vegeta because Vegeta lost a lot of his power for the reason i said above.

[sintzu]

it's a good thing the manga isn't canon.

because it messes up everything the anime has.

It just doesn't make sense for me in the least. Goku being a stronger ssj red then vegeta ssj blue makes no sense as well.

The anime's explanation to me is better

What'll be good is for you to stop spreading false information.

The anime does that on its own.

That's because you're understanding it wrong, Powering up than down than back up again is what weakened Vegeta, not the amount of time he spent in the form and Goku in Red was stronger because Vegeta had lost 90% of his power.

The anime's explanation causes more contradictions cause they told us that Beerus needed 10% of his power to stop Ssj2 Vegeta but now he's somehow stronger than SsjB Kaioken ×10 Goku.

[Alee9977]

The anime made it more exciting than the manga.
You need to have a relaxed heart and great ki control to transform in SSJB acording to the anime, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make you lose ki/energy during the transformation.

[OLKv3]

The anime has Goku state that Super Saiyan Blue takes a lot of energy. He says this to Hit when Hit asks him to transform. I don't know why people accuse the manga of making this up when it was stated in the anime first.

[Sonicjamareiz]

it's a good thing the manga isn't canon.

because it messes up everything the anime has.

It just doesn't make sense for me in the least. Goku being a stronger ssj red then vegeta ssj blue makes no sense as well.

The anime's explanation to me is better

What'll be good is for you to stop spreading false information.

The anime does that on its own.

That's because you're understanding it wrong, Powering up than down than back up again is what weakened Vegeta, not the amount of time he spent in the form and Goku in Red was stronger because Vegeta had lost 90% of his power.

The anime's explanation causes more contradictions cause they told us that Beerus needed 10% of his power to stop Ssj2 Vegeta but now he's somehow stronger than SsjB Kaioken ×10 Goku.

How is that a contradiction it was never stated how powerful Ssjb is let alone it being multiplied 10 times its maximum strength and speed. I also consider the the 10% line just a throw away line like when Beerus says he using his full power against Ssg Goku.

[Khin]

like when Beerus says he using his full power against Ssg Goku.

That line was explained though. Beerus lied from using his ''100% Power'' to draw out Goku's full power.

[z_cherub]

Oh DragonBall... Everything always comes down to a fan war about power levels... This would've never happened if AT had stopped at Piccolo Jr., lol...

[Lord Beerus]

For what it's worth, SSJG appearing kills any Two base/Saiyan Beyond God theory the fandom have, at least within the manga, and that makes the power scaling for more linear and easier to understand.

[brett wheeler]

For what it's worth, SSJG appearing kills any Two base/Saiyan Beyond God theory the fandom have, at least within the manga, and that makes the power scaling for more linear and easier to understand.

I agree with you here this just makes base goku/vegeta really strong but still not reached the lvl of the gods and needs ssg to reach it and ssb to go even further. my personal belief about ssg and ssb is that ssg is goku/vegeta emitting god ki and ssb is them infusing god ki with ssj there for giving a bigger boost than ssg so that would make the explanation " its a ( the ) super saiyan transformation of a siayan with the power of a ssg " sounds familiar right

[MonkeyKing16]

I've never been a fan of the red Super Saiyan God form to begin with. And this whole power thing with the colors is too confusing to even think about.

The best thing the anime has going for this fight is Super Saiyan Blue combined with the Kaio-ken. In more recent Dragonball, transformations these days don't leave the impact they had since its more earlier days. I was underwhelmed by Super Saiyan God, and Super Saiyan Blue just happens to happen. But here, I got chills seeing it. The fact that the Kaio-ken hasn't been seen in years added to the surprise, amplified by some of the most intense screaming by Nozowa. As a result, the climax of the fight between Hit and Goku goes off with a bang (before Goku jumps out of the ring but you get the idea)

[Quantum-Kakarrotto]

I've never been a fan of the red Super Saiyan God form to begin with. And this whole power thing with the colors is too confusing to even think about.

The best thing the anime has going for this fight is Super Saiyan Blue combined with the Kaio-ken. In more recent Dragonball, transformations these days don't leave the impact they had since its more earlier days. I was underwhelmed by Super Saiyan God, and Super Saiyan Blue just happens to happen. But here, I got chills seeing it. The fact that the Kaio-ken hasn't been seen in years added to the surprise, amplified by some of the most intense screaming by Nozowa. As a result, the climax of the fight between Hit and Goku goes off with a bang (before Goku jumps out of the ring but you get the idea)

I personally loved the Red Super Saiyan God transformation and loved the concept of the transformation with the ritual and the lore behind it. Super Saiyan Blue to me ruins this with Vegeta just getting it from training with Whis and basically skipping the Red form that gave Goku the access to God Ki to begin with making the godly transformation feeling very redundant and unnecessary. Also, the Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-Ken 10x transformation, after my hype for it died, really just felt like a rehash of what Toei did more than a decade ago with Z when Goku first used Super Kaio-Ken during the Other World Tournament. The return of the Red God form in the manga felt more natural to me and confirmed that Goku can still transform into the form without the need of the ritual again and that Blue was a different type of transformation altogether. I also like that the manga doesn't overpower Hit for no reason with his "Growth" and actually makes it simple with him just holding back his battle power.

I much prefer the Manga in general over the anime because the manga as Lord Beerus said, the power scaling is more linear and easier to understand, unlike the anime that keeps throwing more stuff at us and making everyone question how Goku or Vegeta isn't up to Beerus's level yet. Also, the manga doesn't have all these really unnecessary time-skips like the anime has that make's us fans question when this story is taking place during the 10-year gap of Z and why Bra isn't even born yet when she should be by this time. The only time-skip we really have in the Manga is at the beginning with the recap of the Buu arc, and the implied 4-month time-skip we had with Frieza, which might not even be in the manga since that whole arc was skipped. Without all those time-skips, it actually makes me believe that Trunks and Goten would still look like kids and not close to how they looked at the end of Z, or how Trunks looked in History of Trunks. Also, I can buy them looking like kids a little longer since Toriyama kept Goku looking the same till the Piccolo Jr. Arc.