How fast is Goku?

[shaun2306]

Goku has been mftlspeed in combat since Freeza saga, Manga has proven and shown it. Snakeway is travel speed not combat speed. Manga is consistent actually. Stop spreading lies and bullshit in saying they arent mftlspeed in combat. Travel speed isnt same as combat speed. By your logic bolt solos Bruce Lee then.
Ki blasts increases speed and power when the characters get stronger and faster. Akira did say db universe is same as our universe and db moon is same as our moon. Showing different angles of both pictures prove nothing. Dbz characters know if the characters are lying or making shit up they call it out thus Manga even proved it.
If you read the Manga you would know goku is MFTL speed in combat since Freeza saga. Manga states legend says it one million that not a fact it's a myth.

[VegettoEX]

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[Hitiro]

Goku has been mftlspeed in combat since Freeza saga, Manga has proven and shown it. Snakeway is travel speed not combat speed. Manga is consistent actually. Stop spreading lies and bullshit in saying they arent mftlspeed in combat. Travel speed isnt same as combat speed. By your logic bolt solos Bruce Lee then.
Ki blasts increases speed and power when the characters get stronger and faster. Akira did say db universe is same as our universe and db moon is same as our moon. Showing different angles of both pictures prove nothing. Dbz characters know if the characters are lying or making shit up they call it out thus Manga even proved it.
If you read the Manga you would know goku is MFTL speed in combat since Freeza saga. Manga states legend says it one million that not a fact it's a myth.

You do not need to be light speed or faster than light speed to dodge attacks that are at light speed of faster then light speed though. You just need to be able to react faster than the attack. I've talked about this before but say the attack was travelling at 30 metres per second and the attack is as wide as 1 metre. If Goku was at a distance of 60 metres and he could only move at 1 metre a second he would have more than an ample amount of time to sidestep the attack. The attack takes 2 seconds to reach him and assuming that the attack was directly aimed at him he would only need to move half a metre. So in less than a second he would be out of harms way.

[jplaya2023]

i have them millions of times faster than light honestly. If you power scale it's feasible especially with ssj forms and being able to make your self go faster.

but we need to remember there are 2 types of speed

travel speed and combat speed

for travel speed i have them at the speed of light or so.

For combat speed i have them much much much faster than that, obviously using power scaling and ssj forms and other strength factors.

we have to remember that the fights are written from a characters perspective meaning time for them is slower than what the average human sees. If fights were written from our perspective then every page would be a bunch of scribbles indicating movement has taken place.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I'm not seeing any evidence that anyone short of Whis and Beerus is faster than light. Otherwise they wouldn't need spaceships and teleportation to travel to other planets.

[The Monkey King]

Between hypersonic and billions of times the speed of light.

Or if you want to be even broader Goku has 'super speed'

[Hitiro]

I'm not seeing any evidence that anyone short of Whis and Beerus is faster than light. Otherwise they wouldn't need spaceships and teleportation to travel to other planets.

I mean that would be debatable really, depending on much faster they are compared to light. It takes 8 minutes for light to reach us from the Sun. And the nearest solar system to ours is 15 years away travelling by light. They would need to be travelling at speeds in excess of 525,600x the speed of light to travel to the nearest solar system in a minute. I don't see them holding their breaths for long.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Maybe, but the possibility is never really even brought up until BoG when we see characters that are capable of actual interplanetary travel.

[Tsufuru]

they were not fast enough to travel galaxy to galaxy.
even if they were faster than light.

also we know with ki comes strength, power speed etc.
logicaly they should have been at light speed along time ago and the travel feats dont make much sense imo.
i mean they got so much stronger over time yet the travel feats seemed allways the same.
i think an other autor writing dbz with the same power levels would have already showed light speed feats along time ago , actualy he/she would have showed far better feats.
imagin the guy who writes toriko, he would have gone crazy.

[Khin]

I'm not seeing any evidence that anyone short of Whis and Beerus is faster than light. Otherwise they wouldn't need spaceships and teleportation to travel to other planets.

Why bother wasting time flying when teleportation takes less time ?

[Polyphase Avatron]

I'm not seeing any evidence that anyone short of Whis and Beerus is faster than light. Otherwise they wouldn't need spaceships and teleportation to travel to other planets.

Why bother wasting time flying when teleportation takes less time ?

Who knows? Sometimes Goku can't teleport somewhere and thus can't get there, and most other characters can't teleport at all and need to rely on Goku to teleport them. Just saying that personally flying to another planet isn't ever considered as a valid method of travel except for people like Whis, Beerus, Vados, etc.

[dragonballer]

another exemple of travelling speed inconstency:

when dr.gero escaped and bulma told everyone where his laboratory was,vegeta left,then trunks went after him,the other z-fighters stayed to listen piccolo's explanation about trunks.but when dr.gero spotted vegeta,the other z-fighters was seen right after that,in order to that have happened,kuririn and others should heve been flying faster than ssj vegeta.

[dbgtFO]

another exemple of travelling speed inconstency:

when dr.gero escaped and bulma told everyone where his laboratory was,vegeta left,then trunks went after him,the other z-fighters stayed to listen piccolo's explanation about trunks.but when dr.gero spotted vegeta,the other z-fighters was seen right after that,in order to that have happened,kuririn and others should heve been flying faster than ssj vegeta.

No. Not only did Vegeta and Trunks drop out of SS at some point, when getting close to the lab, both they and Krillin and co. spent some time flying around the area looking for the lab, so they weren't racing each other anymore by the time Dr. Gero spotted Krillin.

[dragonballer]

another exemple of travelling speed inconstency:

when dr.gero escaped and bulma told everyone where his laboratory was,vegeta left,then trunks went after him,the other z-fighters stayed to listen piccolo's explanation about trunks.but when dr.gero spotted vegeta,the other z-fighters was seen right after that,in order to that have happened,kuririn and others should heve been flying faster than ssj vegeta.

No. Not only did Vegeta and Trunks drop out of SS at some point, when getting close to the lab, both they and Krillin and co. spent some time flying around the area looking for the lab, so they weren't racing each other anymore by the time Dr. Gero spotted Krillin.

They dropped SSJ when they were searching for Dr.Gero's lab, I was talking about before that:
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Vegeta was still a SSJ when Kuririn and others caught up with him.

[Steven Bloodriver]

By the time he had achieved the legendary form of Super Saiyan for the first time, Goku became fast enough to leave light itself in the dust.

[buutenks]

Speed is inconsistent, since the author kinda forgot how fast Goku and co were to begin with ^^.

Scaling wise, they are beyond light speed, feat wise, not at light speed in the Buu saga. Beerus is easily faster than light and so is Whis. Since god Goku could keep up with a powered up Beerus he is also above light speed, and in turn all those more powerful than god Goku.

[SaiyanGod117]

Speed is inconsistent, since the author kinda forgot how fast goku and co were to begin with ^^.

Scalign wise, they are beyond light speed, feat wise, not at light speed in the buu saga. Beerus is easily faster than light and so is whis. Since god goku could keep up with a powered up beerus he is also above light speed, and in turn all those more powerful than god goku.

If you use anime feats he is well beyond light speed even with feats strictly from the manga cater to him being faster than light.

[buutenks]

Speed is inconsistent, since the author kinda forgot how fast goku and co were to begin with ^^.

Scalign wise, they are beyond light speed, feat wise, not at light speed in the buu saga. Beerus is easily faster than light and so is whis. Since god goku could keep up with a powered up beerus he is also above light speed, and in turn all those more powerful than god goku.

If you use anime feats he is well beyond light speed even with feats strictly from the manga cater to him being faster than light.

Anime I know, but manga, hmm. Which feat in the manga?

[SaiyanGod117]

Speed is inconsistent, since the author kinda forgot how fast goku and co were to begin with ^^.

Scalign wise, they are beyond light speed, feat wise, not at light speed in the buu saga. Beerus is easily faster than light and so is whis. Since god goku could keep up with a powered up beerus he is also above light speed, and in turn all those more powerful than god goku.

If you use anime feats he is well beyond light speed even with feats strictly from the manga cater to him being faster than light.

ANime i know, but manga, hmm. Which feat in the manga?

Now that I think back on it, there are none really that put him definitively at light speed, one that puts him possibly close. Is when he used instant transmission to dodge Cell's Kamehameha, the reason why I say this is because we all know instant transmission..is well instant. An in that instant the Kamehameha was already in outer orbit by the time he was behind Cell.

[Polyphase Avatron]

But that brings up another issue I was talking about in another thread - namely that while IT (Shunkan Idou) seems to get you anywhere in the same amount of time regardless of distance, there seems to be a slight delay between the disappearance and reappearance.