Countries that start with DBZ really missed a lot

[ABED]

The events in Dragonball were irrelevant to the fact that they were kids. The only event that I can recall with them being kids being relevant was their reveals after the 23rd Budokai timeskip, but even then the shock factor of them growing up could have easily been replaced with something else.

Goku and Kuririn's appearances were the only ones that changed, but not their personality and those events aren't irrelevant. So what if they were kids? Tenshinhan was at least 18 when we're first introduced to him. How does adding a Z make those events irrelevant? I'm pretty damn sure Kuririn's death was relevant as was Goku meeting Bulma and Muten Roshi.

Because half of Dragon Ball is so different from Z, it is possible that someone is interested in Z (a lot of sci-fi, aliens, explosions, transformations, battle for the Earth and for the universe) and not be interested in DB (story about a kid who's trying to grow strong, fighting in tournaments and basic self-exploration).

There are so many wholes in this theory. DB has lots of sci-fi, explosions, and battles for the Earth. The size of the battles don't necessarily make them better. The fight between Goku and Daimao was much more intense than the one between Cell and Gohan. Z is no different from DB in that it's now a story about the same guy who is arguably not more mature trying to grow stronger. And what about a tournament wouldn't appeal to people? It seems like you've reduced Z's appeal to "it has bigger 'splosions!" when humor is also a big part of the appeal of the series.

[Nejishiki]

I'm feeling blasphemy is being committed with anyone claiming nothing in the Dragon Ball anime was important. You're missing out on character development, unique battles, and details of Dragon World being elaborated upon. The events recorded before the Saiyan arc are very well what shape the characters into who they are in the Z anime.

[sintzu]

What's wrong with children's adventures?

Nothing, I'm just not interested in them.

[ABED]

What's wrong with children's adventures?

Nothing, I'm just not interested in them.

But why? Z is also a show for children.

[sintzu]

But why? Z is also a show for children.

I don't mean that, I mean shows with children as the main protagonist(s).

[ABED]

But why? Z is also a show for children.

I don't mean that, I mean shows with children as the main protagonist(s).

I can see why you would think that's what I meant. In any case, what's wrong with kids as protagonists?

[sintzu]

What's wrong with kids as protagonists?

Nothing, I'm just more interested in shows with older protagonists.

If there's a show with a kid protagonist that's really good like HXH then I'll give it a chance.

[ABED]

What's wrong with kids as protagonists?

Nothing, I'm just more interested in shows with older protagonists.

If there's a show with a kid protagonist that's really good like HXH then I'll give it a chance.

I'm asking you to expand on why. I can infer that you are more interested in shows with older protagonists.

You are in luck because there IS a show with a kid protagonist that is great and you should give a chance. It's called Dragon Ball! Even though Goku is an adult, he's not more mature.

[sintzu]

I'm asking you to expand on why.

You are in luck because there IS a show with a kid protagonist that is great and you should give a chance. It's called Dragon Ball!

I'm not sure how, it's like asking someone why they like their favorite ice cream flavor, there's not really a way to answer.

I've watched it countless times and am currently rewatching it again.

[ABED]

I'm asking you to expand on why.

You are in luck because there IS a show with a kid protagonist that is great and you should give a chance. It's called Dragon Ball!

I'm not sure how, it's like asking someone why they like their favorite ice cream flavor, there's not really a way to answer.

I've watched it countless times and am currently rewatching it again.

Sure there is. I prefer coke to pepsi because I find it too sweet and my taste buds don't find that as palatable. I'm not asking for an objective reason, but more like what is it about kid protagonists that you don't find appealing?

[TheGreatness25]

There are so many wholes in this theory. DB has lots of sci-fi, explosions, and battles for the Earth. The size of the battles don't necessarily make them better. The fight between Goku and Daimao was much more intense than the one between Cell and Gohan. Z is no different from DB in that it's now a story about the same guy who is arguably not more mature trying to grow stronger. And what about a tournament wouldn't appeal to people? It seems like you've reduced Z's appeal to "it has bigger 'splosions!" when humor is also a big part of the appeal of the series.

You're not grasping the concept of what I'm saying.

Do you not concede that Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z were pretty different? Do they not have a different feel? Nobody is saying "what's better" or what's more "intense." Some people are fans of things that Z focuses on and not things that Dragon Ball focuses on. You, yourself, and you don't think that the battles in Dragon Ball are "worse." But they are different. If a fan prefers Z types of battles over the Dragon Ball types of battles, to that person, the Z battles are better. This isn't about you or what you feel. You think that there's nothing in Dragon Ball that's worse than Z. I completely agree. But not everyone thinks like you and shares your feelings. To some people, they think that what happened in Z overshadows whatever happened in Dragon Ball. And your opinion is not going to change their way of thinking because it's all a matter of preference. Not your preference, mind you.


Sometimes you just don't like something. Why is Pepsi too sweet to you? What is sweet? How do you measure sweet? I don't think that Coke is better than Pepsi! That's basically what you're doing with this whole argument.

[sintzu]

What is it about kid protagonists that you don't find appealing?

I guess them being heroes isn't as believable as someone older like Goku.

[TheGreatness25]

You don't need an explanation for why you don't like something. You just don't like it. Your personal preference isn't debatable. There doesn't always have to be an explanation because if you start coming up with explanations for every elementary thing, it'll never end. "Why do you like black?" "Because I freaking do" is a perfectly good response. Not "Well, I find the colors too bright" which can be followed up with "What's too bright?" and it just goes on and on and on and on.

You don't like kid protagonists. Period. I don't like kid protagonists either. I don't like watching little kids on an adventure. I don't like reality TV either. Should I justify it? No; I simply don't like it. I like the gun-slinging action in Cowboy Bebop. Why do I like the gun-slinging action in Cowboy Bebop? Because I do.

Not everything needs an explanation. Why do you like combing your hair a certain way? Because it looks better like that? Are you saying that anyone who doesn't comb their hair like you looks worse? Do you see how this is never-ending?

Some people simply prefer Z to Dragon Ball. That's it. If they can go into an explanation, then great. But if they just have a general feel of preference for Z, then how can anyone question it? And if they do start giving you explanations, why do you have to question everything they say? Preference isn't a science or math; it's all subjective and it's okay to just like something over something else.

[ABED]

There are so many wholes in this theory. DB has lots of sci-fi, explosions, and battles for the Earth. The size of the battles don't necessarily make them better. The fight between Goku and Daimao was much more intense than the one between Cell and Gohan. Z is no different from DB in that it's now a story about the same guy who is arguably not more mature trying to grow stronger. And what about a tournament wouldn't appeal to people? It seems like you've reduced Z's appeal to "it has bigger 'splosions!" when humor is also a big part of the appeal of the series.

You're not grasping the concept of what I'm saying.

Do you not concede that Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z were pretty different? Do they not have a different feel? Nobody is saying "what's better" or what's more "intense." Some people are fans of things that Z focuses on and not things that Dragon Ball focuses on. You, yourself, and you don't think that the battles in Dragon Ball are "worse." But they are different. If a fan prefers Z types of battles over the Dragon Ball types of battles, to that person, the Z battles are better. This isn't about you or what you feel. You think that there's nothing in Dragon Ball that's worse than Z. I completely agree. But not everyone thinks like you and shares your feelings. To some people, they think that what happened in Z overshadows whatever happened in Dragon Ball. And your opinion is not going to change their way of thinking because it's all a matter of preference. Not your preference, mind you.


Sometimes you just don't like something. Why is Pepsi too sweet to you? What is sweet? How do you measure sweet? I don't think that Coke is better than Pepsi! That's basically what you're doing with this whole argument.

They aren't different. The story evolved over time. And the feel of DB to DBZ isn't that much different than say Alien is to Aliens. The battles in Z are somewhat different. So many people look at Dragon Ball like it's just all the first arc and judge it based solely on that. My opinion won't change their's, but if their opinion is based on a false assumption...

I guess them being heroes isn't as believable as someone older like Goku.

Care to elaborate? If you buy Gohan being the hero at 4 or 11, why not Goku at 12 or 15?

[TheGreatness25]

All right, I'm dipping. This isn't going anywhere lol Have fun errbody.

[ABED]

You don't need an explanation for why you don't like something. You just don't like it. Your personal preference isn't debatable. There doesn't always have to be an explanation because if you start coming up with explanations for every elementary thing, it'll never end. "Why do you like black?" "Because I freaking do" is a perfectly good response. Not "Well, I find the colors too bright" which can be followed up with "What's too bright?" and it just goes on and on and on and on.

You don't like kid protagonists. Period. I don't like kid protagonists either. I don't like watching little kids on an adventure. I don't like reality TV either. Should I justify it? No; I simply don't like it. I like the gun-slinging action in Cowboy Bebop. Why do I like the gun-slinging action in Cowboy Bebop? Because I do.

Not everything needs an explanation. Why do you like combing your hair a certain way? Because it looks better like that? Are you saying that anyone who doesn't comb their hair like you looks worse? Do you see how this is never-ending?

Some people simply prefer Z to Dragon Ball. That's it. If they can go into an explanation, then great. But if they just have a general feel of preference for Z, then how can anyone question it? And if they do start giving you explanations, why do you have to question everything they say? Preference isn't a science or math; it's all subjective and it's okay to just like something over something else.

Not what remotely how I meant it. I even wrote that I'm not looking for an objective explanation, but generally there are reasons why people like things, and I'm a curious person.

[sintzu]

Care to elaborate ?

You don't need an explanation for why you don't like something. You just don't like it. Your personal preference isn't debatable. There doesn't always have to be an explanation because if you start coming up with explanations for every elementary thing, it'll never end. "Why do you like black?" "Because I freaking do" is a perfectly good response. Not "Well, I find the colors too bright" which can be followed up with "What's too bright?" and it just goes on and on and on and on.

You don't like kid protagonists. Period. I don't like kid protagonists either. I don't like watching little kids on an adventure. I don't like reality TV either. Should I justify it? No; I simply don't like it. I like the gun-slinging action in Cowboy Bebop. Why do I like the gun-slinging action in Cowboy Bebop? Because I do.

Not everything needs an explanation. Why do you like combing your hair a certain way? Because it looks better like that? Are you saying that anyone who doesn't comb their hair like you looks worse? Do you see how this is never-ending?

Some people simply prefer Z to Dragon Ball. That's it. If they can go into an explanation, then great. But if they just have a general feel of preference for Z, then how can anyone question it? And if they do start giving you explanations, why do you have to question everything they say? Preference isn't a science or math; it's all subjective and it's okay to just like something over something else.

I'm a curious person.

Understatement of the year.

[ABED]

Care to elaborate ?

You don't need an explanation for why you don't like something. You just don't like it. Your personal preference isn't debatable. There doesn't always have to be an explanation because if you start coming up with explanations for every elementary thing, it'll never end. "Why do you like black?" "Because I freaking do" is a perfectly good response. Not "Well, I find the colors too bright" which can be followed up with "What's too bright?" and it just goes on and on and on and on.

You don't like kid protagonists. Period. I don't like kid protagonists either. I don't like watching little kids on an adventure. I don't like reality TV either. Should I justify it? No; I simply don't like it. I like the gun-slinging action in Cowboy Bebop. Why do I like the gun-slinging action in Cowboy Bebop? Because I do.

Not everything needs an explanation. Why do you like combing your hair a certain way? Because it looks better like that? Are you saying that anyone who doesn't comb their hair like you looks worse? Do you see how this is never-ending?

Some people simply prefer Z to Dragon Ball. That's it. If they can go into an explanation, then great. But if they just have a general feel of preference for Z, then how can anyone question it? And if they do start giving you explanations, why do you have to question everything they say? Preference isn't a science or math; it's all subjective and it's okay to just like something over something else.

I'm a curious person.

Understatement of the year.

Don't go there. There's zero reason for that. There's zero antagonism on my part. The entire purpose of this forum is to converse. And when people say they don't have a reason for something, that's not usually true, it's mostly a case where someone isn't able to verbalize it.

[sintzu]

Don't go there. There's zero reason for that. There's zero antagonism on my part.

I'm just kidding.

[omaro34]

There's also a larger detatchment from Goku. You get to watch him mature and grow in Dragonball but a lot of people just "grew up" with Gohan instead.

But has Goku really matured since Dragonball? In Super he is as gullible, naive, and childish as I have ever seen him.