Frost - A Wasted Opportunity?

[Hero]

*Spoilers for the U6 Tournament*

So in the beginning of the tournament, Frost is shown to be a good guy, more good than Goku even. He's a good Frieza, an emperor who fights evil.

As we all know, though, it's revealed that it's all an act and that he's essentially a Frieza clone. But what if this twist never happened?

Goku stated in Resurrection F that he wished Frieza wasn't as evil, so he could have him as a rival. Well, with Frost he got that. I'm not saying Frost should've become a core member of the cast, but having him be truly a good Frieza, a new rival for Goku, and a key ally in the future would have been much more interesting. It also would've added more to the story as he could've explained what Frieza's race is.

What do you all think on the Frost "twist" not existing?

[Shiyonasan]

I actually really like that idea. While I don't mind how they actually wrote Frost and his story, I do think that they should've just kept him a good character like we were first led to believe. In fact, I personally found him more interesting when we were led to believe that he was good. As you said, he could've been a new rival for Goku, even if Frost never became a core member of the main cast.

Also, we could've learned more about Freeza's race, but keep in mind that Frost come's from a different universe's version of Freeza's race. There could be differences in their race from each universe in regards to their history, demeanor, and culture.

[MozillaVulpix]

To be honest, by that point, I personally had started getting a bit sick of Freeza and people like him. I probably wouldn't have cared too much for Good!Frost sticking around.

[shinmaru]

I think that universe 6 contenders are eventually going to replace the old weak Z characters.

[FoolsGil]

I was crushed when I found out Frost was evil. But if he is to be a one off character, who maybe will show up again in Zuno's tournament, It wouldn't matter in the grand scale what bone if any was given to him.

[ABED]

While a friendly rival is good in real life, I don't know how dramatic or interesting that really is.

[Pantalones]

I don't know if I'd call Frost a "Freeza clone" exactly -- physically yeah, his forms are very similar, but he definitely went about things differently than Freeza. An evil emperor ruling by making himself look like the good guy who saves everyone, rather than just openly being super duper evil and blowing up everyone's planets and ruling through fear, is a very different sort of villain than any of the other "evil ruler" types we saw throughout the series. Maybe Dabura could pull it off since I get the feeling he's pretty well respected in the Demon Realm and he doesn't seem fond of Buu's style of random chaos and destruction for its own sake, but nobody else in the series villain-wise is really the type to care about their own publicity beyond just being feared or seen as powerful.

At first I was a little disappointed that he turned out to be a bad guy after all, since it would've been kinda neat to see a good member of Freeza's race (outside of Dragonball Heroes anyway)... but at least he's a different sort of bad guy than any of Freeza's family. Heck, even his fighting style is different, what with using poison and all.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

To be honest, by that point, I personally had started getting a bit sick of Freeza and people like him. I probably wouldn't have cared too much for Good!Frost sticking around.

Gotta to agree with this would have preferred if they went with a brand new design character instead. We had a movie dedicated to Freeza cool. Then a whole retelling arc a few months later not cool and then the twist made it feel a lot worse like eurgh here we go again, I get what they were going for Freeza will always be Freeza but I don't think it was necessary to have a Freeza character other for the sake of plot twists.

[FortuneSSJ]

Everytime I wonder about a disappointing plot twist, I remember this one.
Frost is really just that. A wasted opportunity that could be used to do something new with Freeza's race and take something from ROF plot. Bad writting.

I'm worn out of his race at this point. I'm surprised when FT Trunks debuted in Super, they didn't show a flashback of him killing Freeza.
Freeza's race appeared or was mentioned in every arc so far, with the exception of this one. At least, for now...

[ABED]

Everytime I wonder about a disappointing plot twist, I remember this one.
Frost is really just that. A wasted opportunity that could be used to do something new with Freeza's race and take something from ROF plot. Bad writting.

I'm worn out of his race at this point. I'm surprised when FT Trunks debuted in Super, they didn't show a flashback of him killing Freeza.
Freeza's race appeared or was mentioned in every arc so far, with the exception of this one. At least, for now...

That's not bad writing, they just didn't do what you wanted. Even if you do think they should make someone from Freeza's race good, why is it bad writing to still make him evil?

[Polyphase Avatron]

It was a pretty predictable twist and a wasted opportunity.

[FortuneSSJ]

That's not bad writing, they just didn't do what you wanted. Even if you do think they should make someone from Freeza's race good, why is it bad writing to still make him evil?

Because in ROF Goku acknowledged Freeza's potential and said if he wasn't so evil, he could make a good rival.
In the next arc a new character from Freeza's race appears and instead of going that route, Toriyama decided to play the same boring card and make him evil too.

It's bad writting and so embarassing that he was put in coma by Hit for the rest of the arc.

[Nejishiki]

You can try tackling this at another angle: Frost's role was meant to be frustrating so that you would look forward to his exit, the audience being tired of the same, old cha la head cha la. The execution is up to preference and that interpretation is ambiguous, but it seems as if all of us banded together for Vegeta to finally get him out of the story. FortuneSSJ adds to this view by mentioning hope that Goku's assessment of Freeza would lead to something for a member of his race in Universe 6. Instead, everyone is lead astray, fueling to the disappointment of a species that has potential unrealized.

[coola]

It reminded me how pointless Freeza ressurection was (Ridiculous powerup in just few months, Gohan turned into complete joke) why the heck we need Freeza coming back, only to fight another Freeza couple episodes later?

[JulieYBM]

Frost just goes to show how little interest Toriyama has in continuing with Freeza's race. Freeza is already his ideal 'villain', so I doubt he wants to muddle with the character by introducing 'good' members of his race. That Frost is a parody of a heroic Freeza-type says a lot in that respect.

[Makaioshin]

I don't think there would be much mileage for Frost as a character if he was actually heroic. He would just be another one-off character with limited interaction with the cast like Botomo, Magetta, or Cabba. Nothing interesting would happen in that arc until the last fight if he weren't a cheater.

[ABED]

That's not bad writing, they just didn't do what you wanted. Even if you do think they should make someone from Freeza's race good, why is it bad writing to still make him evil?

Because in ROF Goku acknowledged Freeza's potential and said if he wasn't so evil, he could make a good rival.
In the next arc a new character from Freeza's race appears and instead of going that route, Toriyama decided to play the same boring card and make him evil too.

It's bad writting and so embarassing that he was put in coma by Hit for the rest of the arc.

That's not bad writing. Potential just meant he could be great if he put forth the effort. You're still saying, "It's not good because it didn't go how I wanted it."

[SSJ Human]

I just hope he reappears again and maybe reforms. I feel there's still a chance for his character but we'll see.

[ABED]

I just hope he reappears again and maybe reforms. I feel there's still a chance for his character but we'll see.

But if he reforms, isn't that just as repetitive as retaining a member of Freeza's race as evil?

[Lord Beerus]

Hell yeah, Frost was wasted. He could have been a pretty deep villain if there were more layers added as to why he started wars on planets beyond "for the evulz". He could have been Dragon Ball's answer to Lex Luthor in handled properly. Instead, he just because a cardboard cut out copy of Freeza.