Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
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Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
What are your thoughts on Akira Toriyama's version of Hell (shown in Dragon Ball: Resurrection F and Dragon Ball Super)?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYmvPk5i384
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Re: Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
It's pretty cool, honestly. I like it; it actually makes me feel like someone who's gone to hell is really suffering.
The thing is that now we have three versions of hell: the original version where they turn into spirits and float around for eternity (with no memory of their life, I believe), the Toei version of hell that many people have been accustomed to for decades, and now this version (which is kind of closer to Toei's hell than the original).
Honestly, I like it. I feel like everyone has something different. For Freeza, it's being surrounded by cuteness because he hates that. For Goku, maybe it would be bunch of giant food-looking people walking around him lol
The thing is that now we have three versions of hell: the original version where they turn into spirits and float around for eternity (with no memory of their life, I believe), the Toei version of hell that many people have been accustomed to for decades, and now this version (which is kind of closer to Toei's hell than the original).
Honestly, I like it. I feel like everyone has something different. For Freeza, it's being surrounded by cuteness because he hates that. For Goku, maybe it would be bunch of giant food-looking people walking around him lol
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It's better. The DBZ anime and GT's hell had too many plot holes.
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Its better IMO, the Toei one made it seem like it Hell was a fun place to live, when it should be the opposite.
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Re: Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
That's only Freeza's prison in hell. For all we know where the other villains are, are probably totally different.
Seeing a person as evil as Freeza be trapped with fairies, songs, an dancing bears would definitely be his personal definition of Hell.
Seeing a person as evil as Freeza be trapped with fairies, songs, an dancing bears would definitely be his personal definition of Hell.
Re: Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
I think the concept it's better, sending someone to a place that doesn't accommodate the person. Dabura was sent to Heaven for that case. By the way, I think Freeza was also sent to Heaven instead of Hell (despite everyone saying that it is actually Hell, I think...).
Re: Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
But we don't really see much of Hell in the original version. All we pretty much see in the manga is Goku flying across Serpent Road.TheGreatness25 wrote:the original version where they turn into spirits and float around for eternity (with no memory of their life, I believe)
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I think it's funny. It's like what like the Yugopotamians probably think what Hell looks like.
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Re: Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
It's all fine and dandy for several levels of Hell to exist as we know there's a Heaven in the afterlife, too. I like how the primarily Eastern take of death mixes in details of Western concepts, creating a unique environment that can be thought-provoking in its own right. The only detail that strikes me is why Freeza's soul purification is taking so long? I prefer a bit of fadeddreams5's take on the subject where they must go through an entire process before being ready to pass on. Still, it's pushing it a bit to take so many years!
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There was no prison there.precita wrote:That's only Freeza's prison in hell.
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Re: Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
The difference between these two situations seems to be that in hell you're trapped, while in heaven you're free to move and do things like you would normally.I think the concept it's better, sending someone to a place that doesn't accommodate the person. Dabura was sent to Heaven for that case. By the way, I think Freeza was also sent to Heaven instead of Hell (despite everyone saying that it is actually Hell, I think...).
Dabura was seen just sitting there free of any restraints surrounded by all the flowers and fluffy critters and such (and presumably he'd even be able to come across other dead people in heaven and interact with them... maybe even qualify for Kai training at some point in the future if he keeps up good behavior?)
On the other hand, Freeza was stuck in this weird veiny pod hanging from a tree so he could do absolutely nothing but watch and listen over and over forever as the same parade with the same little angels and stuffed animals happens every... single... day... for years... and decades... and centuries... until he's finally sent off to have his soul purified and reincarnated.
(A hypothetical Goku's Hell having him trapped where he can see all these delicious foods and strong fighters, but never eat the food or fight anyone, seems likely. Something like Freeza's torture wouldn't work on him, he'd just block everything out and go off to do some mental training like when he got distracted in the "here Goten, you run the giant tractor for a while!"episode... but the possibility of good food and a fight with a new opponent, right there within his line of sight, would distract him way too much for that to be possible.)
He was trapped in an impenetrable goo-pod hanging from a tree, with only his face sticking out. How is that not a prison? It's like the worst parts of a straitjacket, shackles, and solitary confinement all rolled up into one thing.There was no prison there.
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Re: Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
It's probably worth noting that the version of Hell seen in the Saiyan Arc filler is actually based off Toriyama's ideas for the staff. We don't have specifics on everything he contributed to it, but the Dragon Ball Z Anime Special guide notes that it's "full of Akira Toriyama-sensei‘s ideas!!”
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I think somewhere like M12's hell would've been better.
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Re: Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
If I had to guess, he probably only contributed vague outlines for the episodes.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:It's probably worth noting that the version of Hell seen in the Saiyan Arc filler is actually based off Toriyama's ideas for the staff. We don't have specifics on everything he contributed to it, but the Dragon Ball Z Anime Special guide notes that it's "full of Akira Toriyama-sensei‘s ideas!!”
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Re: Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
Honestly, the version of hell that Goku goes to isn't even that far from a stretch of what was established in the manga. There were ogre demon things that guarded all of the body-less souls. Weren't the souls wiped of their identities and memories? So technically, it's fine. It's later on when everyone started keeping their body that things get wonky. I guess if you're outstandingly good or bad you get to keep your body... for some reason.
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Re: Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
I find it quite charming and funny. It certainly stands out from all the other depictions of Hell that I've seen in other kinds fiction.
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Re: Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
I don't like it, and I wish that Toriyama would stop with the contrarian design. It's not in Freeza's character to be annoyed by such creatures, when he's charismatic and likes to amuse himself, although with killing intent. The only reason it would seem like hell is the fact that he's restrained, but I prefer the idea of freedom to accomplish nothing, because their souls will get cleansed sooner or later, and their bodies turned to former shells of themselves. With that being said, Toei's got the right idea, but it's inconsistent between the anime and movie 12.
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Re: Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
I'd say it's very much in Freeza's character to be annoyed by such creatures and music.Desassina wrote:It's not in Freeza's character to be annoyed by such creatures,
Re: Your thoughts on Toriyama's version of Hell
He hired a bunch of dancing freaks who did errands in their free time to earn their power. Plus, we had to be told about the annoyance that hell was, instead of just feeling it. I looked at Freeza's face in his coccoon, and he reminded me of the grudge that he had against Goku and/or Trunks, but not the hell-ish place that he was in.
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I prefer the hodge-podge Chinese mythological Hell we see in the original anime and GT to the more personalized version we get in Resurrection F. It feels more in the spirit of Dragon Ball's afterlife and mythological influences. They're not impossible to line up with each other, of course, even if that's not the intent.