Things that grind your gears

[ABED]

Because there is nothing to say that Gohan, Goten and/or Oob couldn't lead or carry the show. Hell, Oob is essentially a blank slate, so you could do anything with that character. It's practically the same deal with Gotenm, too. It all comes down to having proper writing and direction behind the new cast. It may be a bold move to replace an iconic character/cast with a new cast, but it has been done in the past and has been done very well.

But why make Uub the central character after 10 years when he was introduced at the 11th hour? Gohan I can see an argument for, but Uub? If you have proper direction and writing, then why switch main characters?

I'm arguing that if it's been done, it's VERY rare.

[Dbzfan94]

What exactly is better about the new generation taking over?

I just want something fresh. I belive that Goten Trunks and even Gohan could be awesome leads if written correctly.
Goku wouldn't be gone either, he'd just act similar to his Buu Saga self except less asshole-y.

And I disagree. The best part of the saga was before Potara was introduced

[404FILENOTFOUND]

Hm, I have to agree but disagree at the same time. Its hard how I want to express why. Its not impossible for Dragon Ball to switch protagonists but at the same time I feel like keeping focus on Goku and Vegeta as the main characters makes the best sense. With shows like JJBA is that you can't keep the same JoJo as the main protagonist because of how much time goes by between each part, they are human and get old too so they wouldn't be able to do much unlike Goku and Vegeta who are aliens and can probably be in the same shape they are now until they're eighty years old. Dragon Ball COULD switch protagonists because the whole passing on the mantle isn't a crazy idea but the other shows don't switch protagonist because they pass on the mantle, they do it because its just logical linear progression. I think it was bound to happen that Kirk's crew is switched to Picard as Kirk isn't going to be flying the enterprise for all his life

[ABED]

What exactly is better about the new generation taking over?

I just want something fresh. I belive that Goten Trunks and even Gohan could be awesome leads if written correctly.
Goku wouldn't be gone either, he'd just act similar to his Buu Saga self except less asshole-y.

And I disagree. The best part of the saga was before Potara was introduced

I don't. I've seen plenty from Trunks and Goten. They're fun characters, but not leads, nor is Gohan. I don't find a character that isn't that enthused with fighting in a story about fighting to be as interesting as the lead. Gohan's a good character, but not as THE lead.

I got bored of Gotenks fairly quickly. The best parts of the Buu arc are Mr. Satan, Goku vs. Vegeta, Vegeta vs. Buu, Super Saiyan 3, the completion of Vegeta's character arc and the fight against Kid Buu.

I think it was bound to happen that Kirk's crew is switched to Picard as Kirk isn't going to be flying the enterprise for all his life

Obviously not, and the stories can still be good, but I don't think they are AS good. I liked Creed, but Rocky's story was more compelling. I like Batman Beyond but feel it's a tad overrated and the best part of the show was Bruce. I think the advantage with animation is that the characters don't have to age if the writer doesn't want them to.

I'm going to make this into a thread of its own if anyone wants to join me.

[SSJ Human]

It's written infinitely better than Super.

You hate Super, we get it. Is it really necessary to bring it up in each and every conversation that mentions the name of the series?

That's something else that grinds my gears. Super haters.

Probably not but he has to let us know his dislike for it.

Why would people not liking something you like bother you?

[ABED]

When DBZ fans base their views of DB purely on the very first arc as though it's indicative of the entire series.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Fans calling any other fan says something positive or defends DBSuper in certain aspects, while awknoledging it's shortcoming, fanboys/apologists.

[Anime Kitten]

Why would people not liking something you like bother you?

It's not that, it's when people hate on it. When they can't like almost anything that comes out of the show.

[Cetra]

A thing that grinds my gears is whenever people use "fresh" connected to Dragon Ball, whether it is fitting or not for the situation. The sound and look of that word while talking about Dragon Ball just annoys me. lol I can't do anything about it. Even worse when things are called fresh that are not fresh at all, maybe just new with the most simple meaning but not concept that appears in DB.

[Soppa Saia People]

Why would people not liking something you like bother you?

It's not that, it's when people hate on it. When they can't like almost anything that comes out of the show.

If someone hates something, they hate it. That really shouldn't bother you.

[Anime Kitten]

If someone hates something, they hate it. That really shouldn't bother you.

It doesn't, it's when they nonstop hate on it and don't just ignore (in this particular case) threads about the show. That's all.

[Nejishiki]

Too much praise and criticism can be draining to read. There's a middle ground that has to be established. A great way to see if you're allowing for additional responses is through building questions, just for one example.

[SSJ Human]

If someone hates something, they hate it. That really shouldn't bother you.

It doesn't, it's when they nonstop hate on it and don't just ignore (in this particular case) threads about the show. That's all.

That's them wanting to give their hateful opinion.

[404FILENOTFOUND]

When people think episodes like Future Trunks meeting Gohan is filler despite being relevant to the arc

(if this is also a general grinding of gears thread) when people can't keep the men's bathroom clean and have to have piss and toilet paper on the seat or on the ground or EVERYWHERE.

[Cure Dragon 255]

This isnt a general thread. Everything must relate to Dragon Ball in some way.

[SSJ Human]

When people think episodes like Future Trunks meeting Gohan is filler despite being relevant to the arc

(if this is also a general grinding of gears thread) when people can't keep the men's bathroom clean and have to have piss and toilet paper on the seat or on the ground or EVERYWHERE.

I'd argue that may be my favorite episode of Super currently aside from the one with Goku vs Black. I just haven't been feeling most other things in the series. This whole arc has had me very excited though.

[voltlunok]

Each Gundam series only lasts 50 episodes. That's not what I would call a long run. A long run is at least 2 or 3 years with the same characters.

Quick thing on this. Gundam 0079, Zeta Gundam and Gundam: Char's Counterattack, (And a little of ZZ Gundam.) are all one continuous story with many characters from 0079 appearing in Zeta Gundam, including Amuro (The main character of 0079.) who has at this point passed the torch over to Kamile Bidan, while also remaining around to not only grow as a character, but further his relationship with the also returning Char Azneble (Now under the alias Quattro and actully fighting on the same side as Amuro.) which all comes to ahead in the movie Char's Counterattack, where Char basically backstabs EVERYONE, attempts to destroy humanity and Amuro has to have one final battle with Char that ends with the both of them vanishing in a cloud of psychic energy. (Cause newtypes are BULLSHIT!) This whole story spans from April 7, 1979 to March 12, 1988 with Zeta Gundam taking place in 1985 to 86 and ZZ Gundam following it up from 86 to 87 (Though it's events take place AFTER Char's Counterattack but also continuing the story of Zeta Gundam with Kamile passing the torch to Judau.)

So in my opinion, yes you can pass the torch effectively if put in the hands of good writers. There is nothing to say that Goku or Vegeta can't remain after passing the torch. But to say it isn't possible for this to happen or such a thing is bad for the show is kinda wrong. There is actually a good chunk of character growth and story that could be had from this, specially on Goku's part but its probably something we'd never see.

As for something on topic that grinds my gears...idk, I guess people saying the slice of life episodes are 'filler' and are completely skippable. These are usually the only episodes I really come out enjoying these days.

[SSJ Human]

As for something on topic that grinds my gears...idk, I guess people saying the slice of life episodes are 'filler' and are completely skippable. These are usually the only episodes I really come out enjoying these days.

I agree. Sometimes its nice to just see people interacting and having some character driven moments among each other.

[sintzu]

1- rumors and false info : I've never seen a franchise with as many rumors and false info flying around as DB and to make things worse, people spread them around everywhere even though most of them have been proven false time and again.

2- Super's production and writing : Super has everything and more to be a great show and a worthy successor to the original but for some unknown reason, everyone involved is putting in as little effort as possible.

3- GT's stories : All 4 arcs had great plot lines but apart from baby (which wasn't perfect) they messed them up in every possible way, especially the 1st arc.

4- Filler : There's filler material that's beneficial and will improve the story like the extended fights in the Buu arc or some funny one shot episodes like the driving one in Z but most of the time it does nothing more than slow down the story's pacing.

5- Fanboys and haters : I'm not talking about people who see the good and bad in something and judge it based on both aspects, I'm talking about the blind ones who will hate or praise something to no end just because.

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

Super's production and writing : Super has everything and more to be a great show and a worthy successor to the original but for some unknown reason, everyone involved is putting in as little effort as possible.

These comments grind my gears. Super may not have the best animation ever, but how can you say that everyone involved has no passion/isn't trying? Do you think animators and the rest of the production staff go into this difficult industry for the great wealth and fame they'll get? Do you think Toriyama has no artistic pride for the main creative work of his life?