Is Goku a real hero?

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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by Pluto » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:43 am

Hmmm, define hero though.

From a human perspective, we'd all do a better job in Gokus shoes, i personally would Instant Transmission half of the world leaders to Mars (if not all), empty all prisons to Jupiter, destroy all Planet harming structures, and shout a gigantic "get your sh!t together humans and call me when you need me".

Goku is not a hero, but he'll sure help you if you're in his sight, the guy is unemployed ffs :P.
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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by sintzu » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:53 am

He's not like a superhero who goes out looking for people to help but he's definitely a hero.
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Post by Kanassa » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:27 am

Pluto wrote:Hmmm, define hero though.

From a human perspective, we'd all do a better job in Gokus shoes, i personally would Instant Transmission half of the world leaders to Mars (if not all), empty all prisons to Jupiter, destroy all Planet harming structures, and shout a gigantic "get your sh!t together humans and call me when you need me".

Goku is not a hero, but he'll sure help you if you're in his sight, the guy is unemployed ffs :P.
You sound more like a villain...
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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by GTx10 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:40 am

Yes. Have we all forgotten that Son brought Upa's father back from the dead? Or how he sacrificed his life to teleport Cell away? Or how he battled Kid Boo because he was a threat to the universe?
He is a hero.
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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by ChaosLordBrandon » Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:51 am

I would say that Goku is more of a classical hero like the ones that you see in some mythology stories.

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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by kinisking » Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:41 pm

GTx10 wrote:Yes. Have we all forgotten that Son brought Upa's father back from the dead? Or how he sacrificed his life to teleport Cell away? Or how he battled Kid Boo because he was a threat to the universe?
He is a hero.
I'll give you upa but death doesn't really matter in dragonBall. He can train without chi chi bothering him so it's even better. Plus the man ignored his sons and wife for 7 years when he should be able to talk to them whenever he wants through king Kai. Not even a check up? Really? He also battled kid boo because he had fun doing so. Plus, ofc he wouldn't let kid boo destroy the universe. Goku kind of lives there.
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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by AxlTheGreat » Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:16 pm

While I can't speak for the people who watch and have only mainly watched subtitles only, I feel like when we do eventually get the DBS dub, Sean Schemmels take on Goku, compared with hopefully the right choice of lines, will make Goku seem at least 'somewhat' more similar to how he was in Z

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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by LightBing » Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:07 pm

kinisking wrote:
GTx10 wrote:Yes. Have we all forgotten that Son brought Upa's father back from the dead? Or how he sacrificed his life to teleport Cell away? Or how he battled Kid Boo because he was a threat to the universe?
He is a hero.
I'll give you upa but death doesn't really matter in dragonBall. He can train without chi chi bothering him so it's even better. Plus the man ignored his sons and wife for 7 years when he should be able to talk to them whenever he wants through king Kai. Not even a check up? Really? He also battled kid boo because he had fun doing so. Plus, ofc he wouldn't let kid boo destroy the universe. Goku kind of lives there.
Well, he was dead and said goodbye. Phoning in once in a while would only make it harder for Chi-Chi, Gohan and specially Goten. If I blame him for anything in that regard is choosing to stay dead.
He was passing the torch to his son but failed to evaluate him correctly. If he was there to give Gohan guidance, maybe he would have keep up with his training and the Boo arc would've been different.
His reasoning, that problems follow him become moot since he was the one to solve the next threat, which had nothing to do with him.
Had he stayed alive and Vegeta probably wouldn't concede to Babidi, Gohan would be much stronger and maybe Goten would be in line to be the hero, since he was a clean slate for Goku to mold.

While Bora was already facing the Red Ribbon Army, Goku brought Tao Pai Pai to him. A bit of the blame was on him. Against Boo...; Goku had a series of awful decisions which lead to everyone on Earth dying and put the Universe at risk.
He let Majin Boo live, then agreed with Vegeta to destroy the potara which guaranteed victory, this one is even more damaging since we now know it could be undone with the Dragon Balls, finally he prolonged the fight to give Vegeta a go, draining him and giving Pure Boo the win in a platter.

Goku is awful and great at the same time. If the Dragon Balls didn't exist nobody would consider him a hero. A manic, which people would pray saves the Earth without destroying half at the same time.

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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:14 pm

If someone offered Goku the chance to fight all kinds of strong and challenging enemies as much as he could ever want to in exchange for abandoning the Earth and letting all of his friends be tortured and killed, he wouldn't take it.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:22 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:If someone offered Goku the chance to fight all kinds of strong and challenging enemies as much as he could ever want to in exchange for abandoning the Earth and letting all of his friends be tortured and killed, he wouldn't take it.
Minus the torturing and killing, he would.
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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:29 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
Polyphase Avatron wrote:If someone offered Goku the chance to fight all kinds of strong and challenging enemies as much as he could ever want to in exchange for abandoning the Earth and letting all of his friends be tortured and killed, he wouldn't take it.
Minus the torturing and killing, he would.
Right. EoZ just left his family to train some random kid.

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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:49 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Anime Kitten wrote:
Polyphase Avatron wrote:If someone offered Goku the chance to fight all kinds of strong and challenging enemies as much as he could ever want to in exchange for abandoning the Earth and letting all of his friends be tortured and killed, he wouldn't take it.
Minus the torturing and killing, he would.
Right. EoZ just left his family to train some random kid.
He was trying to train him to protect the Earth in his stead.
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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by SansrivaaL » Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:26 am

Goku WAS a hero back in DB and slightly in DBZ but now in Super he's like a manchild, an ignorant mf who cares about no one besides fighting a strong opponent, I have been a Goku and Gohan fan for a long time but slowly I'm starting to lose interest in them, especially Goku. Tho how Goku is in Super is quite different from who he is in the manga couterpart tho, in the manga he seems a little more on the serious side and not that ignorant from things (at least thats how I see it) Just waiting for Goku's reaction meeting up with Black next month because the anime has fcked it up, he was giggling and smiling meeting up with someone that tortured Future Trunks and killed future Bulma, and when Black disappeared all the guy could think about was that "So I cant fight Black anymore?" with a sad tone... seriously stop it with this.

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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by Captain Strawberry » Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:35 am

If you interpret him to be but you can interpret that he may not be a hero at all.

In a way, you could say that Goku is just simply a guy that wants to fight and happens to get dragged into all of this.
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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by Pluto » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:48 am

Kanassa wrote:
Pluto wrote:Hmmm, define hero though.

From a human perspective, we'd all do a better job in Gokus shoes, i personally would Instant Transmission half of the world leaders to Mars (if not all), empty all prisons to Jupiter, destroy all Planet harming structures, and shout a gigantic "get your sh!t together humans and call me when you need me".

Goku is not a hero, but he'll sure help you if you're in his sight, the guy is unemployed ffs :P.
You sound more like a villain...
I just get shit done...

Ps, Kid Goku on DB is very heart warming, probably smarter too
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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by Captain Strawberry » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:01 am

Pluto wrote:
probably smarter too
I feel the way the story is written, this boy travels to learn about the world (and get's some education along the way) that Goku is smarter as an adult
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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by dbs fanboy » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:02 pm

I've always thought that Goku was just an irresponsible hero.
I'm gonna use super as an example (as it's in Super where Goku looks more like a selfish idiot), in ep 11 when Beerus was going to blow the Earth, Goku said:
"Don't you care about human's lives?" and in both movie, anime and manga, Goku did his best to protect the Earth while enjoying the fight.
So he cares about others but if there's a fight, he's going to enjoy it, in the same time, he doesn't care about other things, like in the U6 tournament, "Well if we lose, we'll just go to live in universe 6" the only problem would be Beerus getting angry, and in the same tournament Goku show some care when Champa was going to kill his team.

I really think that Goku needs one of those serious moments with serious situations, something like seeing his best friend dying while being unable to do anything,
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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by sintzu » Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:26 pm

dbs fanboy wrote:I really think that Goku needs one of those serious moments with serious situations, something like seeing his best friend dying while being unable to do anything.
When he went to fight Freeza he found Piccolo dead and his son tortured but he acted like it was nothing, if Z Goku found that after training he'd rip off the head of who did it.
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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by Faisal Shourov » Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:50 pm

Goku has done heroic actions but he's not a hero. Goku doesn't care about being one nor he cares about the reasons. He gets screen time because he's the strongest on Earth and gets to fight the strongest enemies. That makes him look like a hero
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Re: Is Goku a real hero?

Post by dbs fanboy » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:44 pm

sintzu wrote:
dbs fanboy wrote:I really think that Goku needs one of those serious moments with serious situations, something like seeing his best friend dying while being unable to do anything.
When he went to fight Freeza he found Piccolo dead and his son tortured but he acted like it was nothing, if Z Goku found that after training he'd rip off the head of who did it.
But the point is that I want to see Super's Goku being literally unable to do anything. To be honest, the RoF arc sucked, and that's basically one of the reasons of why it sucked. Not because Goku didn't care, but because Goku did care. In Episode 24 he was angry, but that scene was terribly handled, as Goku forgot about that the moment and he spared Freeza to fight him another day...

Just imagine what would have happened if Whis didn't have that ability. Goku was actually serious after Earth's destruction and as Freeza was still alive, he would have probably get mad.

I'll repeat it again, god damn it, death has to be relevant again! :x :x
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