Why did Android 17 & 18 turn good?

Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
User avatar
Nejishiki
I Live Here
Posts: 2406
Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:45 am

Re: Why did Android 17 & 18 turn good?

Post by Nejishiki » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:45 am

Oh, I was referring to the highway chase scene. I didn't even think about the truck driver (I already knew that was a manga adapted scene). Either way, I'm not arguing against her willingness to let people die, only Vegeta being just as bad in that exchange.

User avatar
SSJ Human
Regular
Posts: 627
Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:35 pm

Re: Why did Android 17 & 18 turn good?

Post by SSJ Human » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:26 am

By the time they were both released, I'm pretty sure Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta and Trunks could have killed them if they went rogue judging by how much more powerful they had become while the two were in Cell.

User avatar
samuo2
Not-So-Newbie
Posts: 93
Joined: Thu May 07, 2015 2:12 pm
Location: France
Contact:

Re: Why did Android 17 & 18 turn good?

Post by samuo2 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:23 am

I've always explained the fact that n°17 and n°18 turn good by the line of Krillin or Trunks who said that the Androïds of our timeline or less evil (and powerfull) than the ones of Trunks's Timeline.
English isn't my native Language, please be understanding with faults and other grammatical mistakes, and don't hesitate to correct me !

User avatar
Blackstripe
Regular
Posts: 579
Joined: Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:15 am

Re: Why did Android 17 & 18 turn good?

Post by Blackstripe » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:22 pm

samuo2 wrote:I've always explained the fact that n°17 and n°18 turn good by the line of Krillin or Trunks who said that the Androïds of our timeline or less evil (and powerfull) than the ones of Trunks's Timeline.
Well, yeah. But I think the question they're asking is why they're less evil.

User avatar
samuo2
Not-So-Newbie
Posts: 93
Joined: Thu May 07, 2015 2:12 pm
Location: France
Contact:

Re: Why did Android 17 & 18 turn good?

Post by samuo2 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:31 pm

Oh, I see, sorry for my non-relevant post in that case.

I don't know if it explains something but, for me there is any logical explanation. All "butterfly effect" from Trunks's Time Travels aren't that logic.

Cell who back in time 1 years before the initial age of the first Trunks's Time Travel, Activation of N°19 and N°20 (which is in reality Dr. Gero but you know what I mean), Gokû's heart attack, N°16 Activation, all of these are supposed to be "butterfly effect" but there is, even if it was one small correlation between all these facts and the Time Travels of Miraï Trunks or even Cell from the 4rth Timeline.
These facts or facts and for me it's impossible to find a logical issue or deny them unfortunately.
English isn't my native Language, please be understanding with faults and other grammatical mistakes, and don't hesitate to correct me !

User avatar
MaxZ
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 331
Joined: Sat May 14, 2016 2:52 am
Location: Saskatchewan
Contact:

Re: Why did Android 17 & 18 turn good?

Post by MaxZ » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:25 pm

Lionel wrote:The siblings may not be inherently evil per se, but they can still be emotionally callous at times. #18 had no qualms with an innocent bystander getting killed during her fight with Vegeta. She also threatened to kill Mr Satan if he didn't keep his assurances of paying the bribe back to her. This proves that they can still be unpredictable and cold-hearted, even if they're not outright massacring entire populations.
she wasn't actually gonna kill him though :?

User avatar
SSJ Human
Regular
Posts: 627
Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:35 pm

Re: Why did Android 17 & 18 turn good?

Post by SSJ Human » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:37 am

They never really came off to me as evil but just with nothing to do except follow a goal. I firmly believe that they wouldn't have turned into murderers like the future versions even if they had reached and failed to kill Goku.

User avatar
MaxZ
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 331
Joined: Sat May 14, 2016 2:52 am
Location: Saskatchewan
Contact:

Re: Why did Android 17 & 18 turn good?

Post by MaxZ » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:14 am

SSJ Human wrote:They never really came off to me as evil but just with nothing to do except follow a goal. I firmly believe that they wouldn't have turned into murderers like the future versions even if they had reached and failed to kill Goku.
I don't even think they'd have actually killed him tbh. They'd probably defeat him and then decide that was enough to satisfy their game.

User avatar
SSJ Human
Regular
Posts: 627
Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:35 pm

Re: Why did Android 17 & 18 turn good?

Post by SSJ Human » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:26 am

MaxZ wrote:
SSJ Human wrote:They never really came off to me as evil but just with nothing to do except follow a goal. I firmly believe that they wouldn't have turned into murderers like the future versions even if they had reached and failed to kill Goku.
I don't even think they'd have actually killed him tbh. They'd probably defeat him and then decide that was enough to satisfy their game.
That too, though I'd suspect 16 might truly want to do this. I can't picture them randomly taking someone's life, let alone really wanting to kill a guy that they don't even know other than it being programmed for them to do so.

User avatar
MaxZ
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 331
Joined: Sat May 14, 2016 2:52 am
Location: Saskatchewan
Contact:

Re: Why did Android 17 & 18 turn good?

Post by MaxZ » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:25 am

SSJ Human wrote:
MaxZ wrote:
SSJ Human wrote:They never really came off to me as evil but just with nothing to do except follow a goal. I firmly believe that they wouldn't have turned into murderers like the future versions even if they had reached and failed to kill Goku.
I don't even think they'd have actually killed him tbh. They'd probably defeat him and then decide that was enough to satisfy their game.
That too, though I'd suspect 16 might truly want to do this. I can't picture them randomly taking someone's life, let alone really wanting to kill a guy that they don't even know other than it being programmed for them to do so.
I don't see them wanting to do what Dr. Gero made them for, either.

"we really hate this guy who dissected us and turned us into killing machines, and we're gonna get back at him by killing the guy he designed us to kill, that'll sure show him!" I don't really think so lol.

User avatar
SSJ Human
Regular
Posts: 627
Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:35 pm

Re: Why did Android 17 & 18 turn good?

Post by SSJ Human » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:57 am

MaxZ wrote:
SSJ Human wrote:
MaxZ wrote: I don't even think they'd have actually killed him tbh. They'd probably defeat him and then decide that was enough to satisfy their game.
That too, though I'd suspect 16 might truly want to do this. I can't picture them randomly taking someone's life, let alone really wanting to kill a guy that they don't even know other than it being programmed for them to do so.
I don't see them wanting to do what Dr. Gero made them for, either.

"we really hate this guy who dissected us and turned us into killing machines, and we're gonna get back at him by killing the guy he designed us to kill, that'll sure show him!" I don't really think so lol.
Agreed, though I wouldn't entirely be surprised if they were only willing to entertain the idea simply because Android 16 wished for it.

Post Reply