Vegito VS Gogeta Guide Book Discovery

[Lord Gogeta]

Last Year I found this scan:



And it says Gogeta VS Vegito, along the lines it says that Vegito beats Gogeta if the fight last more then 30 minutes, but if it under 30 minutes then Gogeta wins.

Now I posted that here, but no one could find a legit source.

Now this week I found the databook scan:



So can someone translate this? All of it, thanks.

[SSJ Human]

I wish we could see some execution of that with Toriyama involved. Then these theories as to who stronger would probably die down.

[Darkprince410]

The top image is a fake. If you look at it vs. the bottom image, you see that the Toribot image was slapped on over it and that some of the text in it is altered from the original dialogue in the bottom image (the text to the right of the column referring to the 30 minute time limit is completely different between the two). And as for translating it, that sort of request goes in the All-Purpose Translation Request topic.

[Captain Strawberry]

Gogeta winning does mlnot make sense. Elder kai said the potora fusion is stronger.

[jplaya2023]

Gogeta winning does mlnot make sense. Elder kai said the potora fusion is stronger.

he said it's the people fusing who made the fusion strong not the actual fusion itself

i would post a scan but it your not allowed to here

[Darkprince410]

Gogeta winning does mlnot make sense. Elder kai said the potora fusion is stronger.

he said it's the people fusing who made the fusion strong not the actual fusion itself

i would post a scan but it your not allowed to here

Rou Kaioushin stated that the effects of the Potara are "even greater" than with Fusion.

Elder Kaioshin: “Of course. And what’s more, the effect is greater than with Fusion! This has been the trump card treasure of the Kaioshins since long ago.”

And Daizenshuu 7's entry for the Potara earrings directly establishes that the Potaras produce a stronger fusion.

Potara
First Appearance: chapter 501
Category: miscellaneous
Explanation: Ear decorations worn by Kaioshins and their attendants for generations. Despite being worn so casually, they’re actually an incredible power-up item. The Elder Kaioshin gave them to Goku as a trump card for defeating Majin Buu.
Special Characteristics: To use them, the two people who will merge simply each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion. However, the two people will automatically merge as soon as the earrings are put on, and in principle will be unable to ever split up again, so caution is needed when handling them. The merged person will only split up when touched by the air inside Majin Buu’s body. Also, while with Fusion the post-merged clothing is the native dress of the people of Planet Metamor, when merging with the Potara not only are the two people’s bodies mixed together, but their clothing is as well. In addition, pathetically enough the East Kaioshin and his attendant Kibito merged together without knowing a thing about Potara fusion. (Daizenshuu 4, p.163)

What I think you're misinterpreting is the back and forth between him and Kibitoshin.

Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”

Kibitoshin is indicating that he's under the impression that the reason Vegetto is so great is solely due to the Potara earrings, but Rou Kaioushin states that Goku and Vegeta being involved, with both their strength and their rivalry, that helped Vegetto become as truly powerful as he is. The Potara produce a fusion stronger than the Metamorese technique, but Vegetto's results are even greater than a normal Potara fusion would have been.

[jplaya2023]

Gogeta winning does mlnot make sense. Elder kai said the potora fusion is stronger.

he said it's the people fusing who made the fusion strong not the actual fusion itself

i would post a scan but it your not allowed to here

Rou Kaioushin stated that the effects of the Potara are "even greater" than with Fusion.

Elder Kaioshin: “Of course. And what’s more, the effect is greater than with Fusion! This has been the trump card treasure of the Kaioshins since long ago.”

And Daizenshuu 7's entry for the Potara earrings directly establishes that the Potaras produce a stronger fusion.

Potara
First Appearance: chapter 501
Category: miscellaneous
Explanation: Ear decorations worn by Kaioshins and their attendants for generations. Despite being worn so casually, they’re actually an incredible power-up item. The Elder Kaioshin gave them to Goku as a trump card for defeating Majin Buu.
Special Characteristics: To use them, the two people who will merge simply each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion. However, the two people will automatically merge as soon as the earrings are put on, and in principle will be unable to ever split up again, so caution is needed when handling them. The merged person will only split up when touched by the air inside Majin Buu’s body. Also, while with Fusion the post-merged clothing is the native dress of the people of Planet Metamor, when merging with the Potara not only are the two people’s bodies mixed together, but their clothing is as well. In addition, pathetically enough the East Kaioshin and his attendant Kibito merged together without knowing a thing about Potara fusion. (Daizenshuu 4, p.163)

What I think you're misinterpreting is the back and forth between him and Kibitoshin.

Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”

Kibitoshin is indicating that he's under the impression that the reason Vegetto is so great is solely due to the Potara earrings, but Rou Kaioushin states that Goku and Vegeta being involved, with both their strength and their rivalry, that helped Vegetto become as truly powerful as he is. The Potara produce a fusion stronger than the Metamorese technique, but Vegetto's results are even greater than a normal Potara fusion would have been.

right, he said it's the people fusing and not the fusion itself..

I know potarra is stronger than dance, but to me the difference lies in the difference in the 2 people who're fusing.

dance you have to have identical chi's while potarra you can fuse in any state except ssj (it will shorten your lifespan)

so if someone is a 10 and someone is a 5 and they use earrings they're a 50. If they use dance they're a 25 since the 10 has to bring their PL down to a 5

[Darkprince410]

right, he said it's the people fusing and not the fusion itself..

I know potarra is stronger than dance, but to me the difference lies in the difference in the 2 people who're fusing.

dance you have to have identical chi's while potarra you can fuse in any state except ssj (it will shorten your lifespan)

so if someone is a 10 and someone is a 5 and they use earrings they're a 50. If they use dance they're a 25 since the 10 has to bring their PL down to a 5

That's not what he was saying. He was saying that despite the Potara already producing a far stronger fusion than the Metamorese fusion, the key to why Vegetto is even more spectacular is due to it being Goku and Vegeta that fused. Kibitoshin already has some basis to go on with how powerful a Potara fusion would be (given that he is one), but was amazed by how powerful Vegetto was, commenting that he didn't realize that such a fusion with the earrings would make him that incredible.

Likewise, we can see just how much stronger the Potara fusion is compared to the Metamorese fusion by comparing Vegetto to Gotenks. Goten and Trunks, going by both the Daizenshuu and what was shown in the manga, weren't far behind their fathers in terms of power, yet it took Ssj3 Gotenks to more or less equal the base Evil Buu. Given this, Gogeta during the same arc would almost certainly need at least Ssj2 to fight against Evil Buu, whereas Vegetto, in his Ssj form, could effortlessly take on the far stronger Gohan Buu.