How Would You Have Done It?

[The_Destroyer]

The fact that the writers were hyping up Fat Boo and Piccolo to play a prominent role by drawing them on the posters just goes to show how much of a dick Toei is.

Toei is not to blame here. They're simply adapting and promoting the material Toriyama provided to them. The tournament was setup as a match between teams of 5, and that's what they showed off with the first key visual. How the events unfolded once the story was underway was meant to be a surprise, like with any narrative product.

It was a bad surprise though. The majority of people would have liked events to be the complete opposite to what happened. Such as:

Buu passing the test
Frost actually being good
Piccolo not getting cheated out of a win and fighting Magetta
Goku not getting reinstated into the tournament
Monaka not being weak
Universe 6 winning as they should have
The last Super Dragon Ball not being the nameless planet

-Buu passing the test would have been cool, but many people knew he wasn't going to pass. Also, Buu might actually been able to beat everyone up until Hit(Poison has no effect on buu, Buu has a tendency to insult people so Maggeta will lose, Cabba can't go SSJ), so it was probably a good desicison to have him fail the test. Maybe they could have had him fight Botamo and lose, but whatever.

-Agreed. I didn't like that twist either, and we just had the RoF arc, we didn't need Frieza 2.0.

- I agree, Piccolo should have kept the win.

- I disagree here. A lot of people were looking forward to having Hit fight Goku. That fight is probably the best in the series so far.

- Eh, I was dissapointed when we found out that Monaka was weak, but his fight with Hit was funny as hell. I think the humour he brings makes up for his weakness.

- If earth went to Uni 6, how would Vegeta and Goku train under Whis? Beerus and Whis have become regulars in the series, they wouldn't be disposed of within three arcsPlus, if Monaka was really strong like you wanted, would they really have him lose the first fight we see him in?

[Nejishiki]

I would personally keep Monaka ambiguous. I really expected Hit to walk off from the ring in assumed victory, only for the announcer to declare Universe 7's victory. The moment we have now is humorous, but there's something funnier in debating whether Beerus had been telling the truth or not and removing the tells of Monaka being worried.

[namekiansaiyan]

Toei is not to blame here. They're simply adapting and promoting the material Toriyama provided to them. The tournament was setup as a match between teams of 5, and that's what they showed off with the first key visual. How the events unfolded once the story was underway was meant to be a surprise, like with any narrative product.

It was a bad surprise though. The majority of people would have liked events to be the complete opposite to what happened. Such as:

Buu passing the test
Frost actually being good
Piccolo not getting cheated out of a win and fighting Magetta
Goku not getting reinstated into the tournament
Monaka not being weak
Universe 6 winning as they should have
The last Super Dragon Ball not being the nameless planet

-Buu passing the test would have been cool, but many people knew he wasn't going to pass. Also, Buu might actually been able to beat everyone up until Hit(Poison has no effect on buu, Buu has a tendency to insult people so Maggeta will lose, Cabba can't go SSJ), so it was probably a good desicison to have him fail the test. Maybe they could have had him fight Botamo and lose, but whatever.

-Agreed. I didn't like that twist either, and we just had the RoF arc, we didn't need Frieza 2.0.

- I agree, Piccolo should have kept the win.

- I disagree here. A lot of people were looking forward to having Hit fight Goku. That fight is probably the best in the series so far.

- Eh, I was dissapointed when we found out that Monaka was weak, but his fight with Hit was funny as hell. I think the humour he brings makes up for his weakness.

- If earth went to Uni 6, how would Vegeta and Goku train under Whis? Beerus and Whis have become regulars in the series, they wouldn't be disposed of within three arcsPlus, if Monaka was really strong like you wanted, would they really have him lose the first fight we see him in?

Your point about Goku and Vegeta training under Whis is a problem for the outcome of the tournament and they could have eventually returned to universe 7 due to some reason.

Toei made use of the Monaka humour after the tournament and not Toriyama which is a problem.
The Monaka section I don't actually

Goku should have gone after Vegeta but obviously Toriyama try to surprise us with Frost being evil and to me Frost being evil is the worst surprise he could have done. He maybe should have got some feedback on that decision.

I would have also liked a fight between Buu and Botamo with Botamo utilising his ability more. Also Piccolo fighting Magetta in giant Namek form would have been great.

[Brettjr25]

Theres not much to say, the Bog and rof arcs were adaption of movies which is why they were lacking, they werent suited for an arc/saga storyline and just came off as having no substance.

I want complain about the tournament but in retrospect it was a nice throwback to some of the older dragon ball tournaments including the use of Monaka which seemed to be similar to how roshi used jackie as a way to prevent goku from knowing he already reached the pinnacle of martial arts at such a young age. What I would change though was the ending. The conclusion was the worst tournament ending in db including eoz goku running away with uub. Make goku win or lose. Goku lost plenty of tournaments, if the db fans knowadays cant handle it, tough. For Goku being unsatisfied with the fight because of the rules was stupid considering al the previous fights and tournaments he was in had the same regulations.

I would also love it if the writers maintain some consistices in power just for the sake of being able to build up tension. Why have base goku punch hit and make him bleed then have goku go ssb kk x10 and land a direct hit in Hit smashing him into a wall and have him get up!? Will there ever be normal progress in fights? Also...that whole thing with goku jumping into his own kkh...what?! They couldn't have him flank Hit but instead had him do something illogical and make no sense?

Well i know the trunks arc just started so its not changing but please have twist and turns instead of heres a badguy go kill him the end. Give us changes, adventures and use of other characters in at least training, helping, locating things... Make it so that this goku gets taken over and vegeta has to fight him. Have F Trunks train our trunks and goten. Have pan get taken hostage and have zamaso...whatever his name is train trunks to maintain time travel law as a "punishment" and for the love of god give him a wish on the super dragons. It was shown that they can restore a planet to a previous state in time, do it for trunks earth. And have piccolo, gohan, krillin go on an adventure with whis to find the super dragon balls.

I'm pulling this out my bunghole cmon super step your game up.

[SSJ Human]

I would have made both movie retellings 10 episodes each or less, then had the tournament feature a Universe 7 team of Gohan, Buu, Piccolo, Android 18 and Videl, the same varying power level thing that someone else mentioned. I would have had Bulma perform some upgrade on 18 and then have Videl train with Vegeta. I know that last one sounds like a stretch but it was the best I could think of with her seeing an increase in strength. For the Future Trunks arc, I would have had it revolve around Future Trunks coming to terms with the idea that he will not live forever and that he needs to pass on his abilities to someone else, which would culminate in him producing a child with Mai upon the arc's completion or thinking of doing so as the arc drew to a close, coming to fruition were he to appear. The arc would revolve around him and his relationships with Vegeta and Gohan who have particular disliking for Black as a result of his actions in the past toward Vegeta's family while Gohan feels that he let Trunks down in some way for being so different from the version of him in the future. I would have Vegeta become enraged when seeing Future Trunks struggling against Black and be the one to kill him, though Gohan would assist him greatly in a reverse of their roles in the Cell fight while Future Trunks would be the one calling him on to victory as Goku did Gohan in the Cell battle.

[Fishman]

how would i have done Dragon Ball Super? well, you probably don't want people to just say "i wouldn't cynically revive a franchise that had been more than adequately wrapped up two decades ago just to make a quick buck off of it," as good an answer as that would be. if i had to conceive a sequel or follow-up story to dragon ball...

make goku a mentor to an up and coming uub and pan main character duo, rather than pretend goku and vegeta have no ceiling and can just continue to get massively stronger forever and ever. goku's goal at the end of dragon ball was to train new heroes, because he knew he wouldn't be around forever, and this is the logical step forward in that.

maybe actually take advantage of the series' incredibly large and colorful cast of characters have uub and pan travel with different old guard like krillin, trunks, piccolo, etc as their apprentices to learn learn from their differing approaches to training, conflict, and life experiences while picking up their fighting styles and techniques. in short, rotating secondary characters to teach and guide main characters with loads of untapped potential between them. then go ahead and toss in normie non-fighter traveling companions every now and again.


needless to say this is a replacement for GT and should take place maybe a year or so before that timeframe and run into it.

[Alruneia]

The main thing I'd do differently is timeline placement. I'm the type who takes finds that stuff important. Enjoy the following wall of text!

Honestly, the Battle of Gods stuff is fine by me. It's when we get to Resurrection F it kinda falls apart.

First off, I wouldn't have Vegeta train with Whis for like a year. Instead, Goku would be the one going up to Beerus' planet for training. Instead of an unexplained strength ("oh, Vegeta just got God powers by training, no big"), Vegeta would transform into a Super Saiyan God while Goku was away by actually managing to introduce Bulla to the show. After that, he could go to train with Whis and become equal in power with Goku again.
Next, when we get to the fighting, honestly just have Krillin hire a babysitter. Let 18 join the battle. Speaking of joining, Yamcha, Buu and even Chiaotzu should be there. Changing it so that Gotenks arrived was definitely positive in my book. Just make Frieza's army larger so that the battle isn't over in ten seconds, that's all. When we got this army battle, less people showed up than when Mecha-Frieza came to Earth the first time. I know that in this case, Bulma would have to be absent, though, since she'd be pretty high up in months of pregnancy at this point in the timeline following my previous changes. Moving on, I'd keep Tagoma for sure. By that, I mean I wouldn't have Ginyu steal his body. He would've probably gotten Shisami instead or something.
Finally, Vegeta would be the one to finish Frieza. The whole blowing up the planet and reversing time thing was completely pointless, in my opinion, and didn't need to be a thing at all.

Moving on to the inter-universal tournament, there's not all that much that needs to be changed. Remove the pointless wish Bulma made to Shenron in the beginning of the arc so that we're not messing with the timeline too much. Bulma's still just pregnant. Gohan and Piccolo are training together, but it's only been a couple of days.
When we got the tournament in the series, a lot of us were disappointed with character usage. First off, Buu needs to pass the test, and secondly, Piccolo needs to be allowed to not just forfeit. Also, remove Frost's "I'm actually evil" twist! Switch up the team so that Buu goes third, before Vegeta, and have him fight and lose to Magetta. Everything from Vegeta vs Magetta and on is just fine by me as far as matches go, though. Even Monaka. It's fine.

I'd do with the inter-arc what Toyotarou did: Not have it.

So far in the Black/Trunks arc, the only things I'd change are things I would change no matter whether the above were changed or not. First off, change Goten, Trunks and Marron's looks so that they reflect their ages. Bulla would also be born now, or, if you ignore the above changes, Bulma would definitely be carrying her. Minor edit to have Future Trunks' hair be lavender again, of course, and Gohan's training with Piccolo would be starting to show by now. Pan is pretty perfect as is, but Bulla would easily outdo her in the destructive baby department. I can't really add anything else about this arc yet as we haven't gotten far enough in.

That's basically how I would've done Super in this current timeframe. For the future: If we don't try to stay before the end of Z, the Black/Trunks arc is the last one before the 28th tournament. Zen'ou's tournament would happen after EoZ. He said it would be soon, but five or even ten years is easily "soon" for the ruler of all creation. Moving the tournament back gives Super ample room for arcs of all kinds. If we do try to stay before the end of Z, that's another story, as it'd get cramped fast and eventually come dangerously close to guaranteed contradictions.

[Mazingerdestro]

For the Champa tournament.
I would keep Frost a noble guy.
I would make Piccolo beating him.
I would make Piccolo also beat Magetta but lose to Cabba, making him more threatening.
I would make Vegeta struggle to beat Cabba and basically Cabba would push him to go blue to win.
I would give Vegeta a nice clean shot at Hit's face and use that as an excuse for Goku to understand how to fight him.

[perucho1990]

I still dont get the Piccolo and Buu getting "screwed".

Fat Buu was never that interesting outside of his relationship with Mr Satan and his powers are that hax that would be obvious CIS and PIS.

As for Piccolo goes, Toei somehow tried to make sense and make u believe he had a chance, the fact Final Form Frost was stronger than Base Goku kinda tells u he wasnt that weak..., and Piccolo last fight he got stomped by Tagoma.

And he was gonna be stomped by Magetta(if that fight was gonna happen before DBS changed directors...).

[SSJ Human]

I still dont get the Piccolo and Buu getting "screwed".

Fat Buu was never that interesting outside of his relationship with Mr Satan and his powers are that hax that would be obvious CIS and PIS.

As for Piccolo goes, Toei somehow tried to make sense and make u believe he had a chance, the fact Final Form Frost was stronger than Base Goku kinda tells u he wasnt that weak..., and Piccolo last fight he got stomped by Tagoma.

And he was gonna be stomped by Magetta(if that fight was gonna happen before DBS changed directors...).

People just like both of those characters and feel they are being used less meaningfully than Goku and Vegeta.

[Ki Breaker]

I would go at it something like this

• In bog the ssg ritual will be slightly tweaked, it would be all the saiyans participating in the ritual get a feel of God ki during it..
This would help raise their levels, not up to ssg levels but enough to stay relevant as super saiyans..
This would also help define how exactly vegeta got SSB, the feel vegeta got during the ritual is what whis helped him harness, as it is now, I would say just a forced plot poweup, and cheapens the god power if it can be reached by some months training alone..

• Piccolo will get a power boost, as he would have performed well against berrus technique wise, and also because berrus knows namekians and their good nature, as he visited namek once and was very happy by there caring even if there was no food there..

• gohan is still mystic, he did not lose the powerup just because plot.. That power was harnessed by the god of creation, and that too an experienced one, it dosen't just go because you didn't train..

• Rof the movie version is taken and tagoma is dead, when gohan defeats shisami freeza sees that now his army is no match againsts z fighters..
He comes to fight himself.. Gohan transforms into SS and goes toe to toe with 1st form freeza..
Freeza cheats and catches gohan off guard and goes into his 2nd form,

But the senzus are stolen by a soldier when they were not paying attention, jaco chase after him so gohan healing will take a bit time..
All the z fighters try to hold freeza back with piccolo being the lead.. Krillin gets scary flashback of freeza 2nd form impaling him.. They get Macassared like they did with nappa..

Jaco manages to defeats the soldier and get senzus back and runs to gohan..
Krillin fires a desrtucto disk and it cuts freeza just a little to draw blood.. He is furious and goes charges a energy blast big enough to wipe out the z fighters and fires it..

• Just when it's about to reach, gohan appears infornt and smacks it away with some effort using his SS2..

Gohan sees piccolo injured and gets angry.. He has mystic but the time limit he can maintain is less right now as he did not train..
He powers up to mystic and starts pounding freeza 2nd form..
Freeza furious goes to his final form (not golden ) now it's nearly an even match.. With gohan occasionally taking extra few hits..
Gohan is rusty and starts to take damage faster and his mystic time limit is running out..
Freeza fires a death beam through gohan's heart as he is trying to get up and hece knocking him out of mystic..
Then proceeds to puch him through his stomach.. Gohan is barely alive at this point

Goku just around this time is contacted by bulma and IT's there sensing freeza huge power..

• the rest of the story will be similar but this time vegeta getting more time to beat freeza up, as vegeta would insult freeza during his battle with goku, freeza rushes to vegeta to kill him, and gets the shit kicked out of him..

• In champa arc, piccolo will fight magetta and lose, frost's poison playing a big role in his loss of power and calculation ability..
Rest will be same.. With vegeta getting a single clear hit on huts face giving goku his idea to beat him..

• In trunks arc I still don't know what will happen but gohan will be family man, Gohan WILL ask Trunks why he came here, him not asking is just a really cheap plot device to keep him out..
He will offer to help but trunks says he doesn't need to leave his family life for this as goku and vegeta both are taking care of this..

Well that's about it..

[namekiansaiyan]

I still dont get the Piccolo and Buu getting "screwed".

Fat Buu was never that interesting outside of his relationship with Mr Satan and his powers are that hax that would be obvious CIS and PIS.

As for Piccolo goes, Toei somehow tried to make sense and make u believe he had a chance, the fact Final Form Frost was stronger than Base Goku kinda tells u he wasnt that weak..., and Piccolo last fight he got stomped by Tagoma.

And he was gonna be stomped by Magetta(if that fight was gonna happen before DBS changed directors...).

This thread is about what we would have liked to happen. Anyway, Piccolo could have put up a good fight against and could have won as Magetta has good defence but is quite slow, not the smartest and does not like being insulted.

I would say About 99.99% of the Dragon Ball fans would probably agree that Piccolo should have faced Magetta with Vegeta vs Frost never happening. I also think that about 80% would have had Buu passing the test.

[SSJ Human]

I remember I got really excited because they seemed to be finally using Buu in a meaningful way. At least, that's how it appeared but in reality we saw something completely different.