Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[ArchedThunder]

The little bit of action we saw in the NEP looked mostly fine to me, nothing special or even great, but fine. As for art this is the only shot that was on screen for any real amount of time that looks off to me.

Art quality aside, the actual animation (or lack thereof) was pretty shocking. I'm hoping it was just unfinished, but I recognise that style from somewhere, and I don't remember it being any good.

Will be interesting to see whether it actually moves any better tonight or whether Ishikawa applied any corrections. I'm thinking probably not, but then I try not to put my expectations too high.

Obviously it's only 10 seconds, so there's always the possibility the better stuff is being kept secret. That'd be nice!

Looks animated to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's not amazing or anything, but it's animated.

[Ajay]

C'mon. Don't be unnecessarily pedantic when you know precisely what I mean.

Not really sure why you posted what I did but in gif form, but whatever.

My point is that it's barely animated. It's a lot of stills and untweened action that has ghosting and motion blur applied to it to try and mask the fact.

It's plain bad. The only halfway decent part is the foot turn. Again, it's only a short preview, so it could be fine in full context, but as it stands, it's absolutely not.

[ArchedThunder]

C'mon. Don't be unnecessarily pedantic when you know precisely what I mean.

Not really sure why you posted what I did but in gif form, but whatever.

My point is that it's barely animated. It's a lot of stills and untweened action that has ghosting and motion blur applied to it to try and mask the fact.

It's plain bad. The only halfway decent part is the foot turn. Again, it's only a short preview, so it could be fine in full context, but as it stands, it's absolutely not.

I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, but I'm not being pedantic.
The opening punch is animated, it switches to a moving still of Goku's arm that is ghosted when it goes under. The shot following immediately after but right before the boot hits the ground is animated (as well as the boot scene) and Goku swinging the blast in his hand around is animated (though it looks like they cut the middle part out). I'm not saying it looks great, but saying it's not animated because of a small amount of moving stills is hyperbolic.

[Sodhi]

My point is that it's barely animated. It's a lot of stills and untweened action that has ghosting and motion blur applied to it to try and mask the fact.

It's plain bad. The only halfway decent part is the foot turn. Again, it's only a short preview, so it could be fine in full context, but as it stands, it's absolutely not.

See Ishikawa has been doing this type of stuff from #35, this is why I am starting to not like him. He tries to use digital trickery to hide the lack of animation.

[Ajay]

I understand how the scene plays out.

I'm saying it's pedantic because it's very obvious that when I call something not animated. I don't mean it's literally nothing but stills, but rather there's little to no movement that it might as well not be.

Of course, it's hyperbolic. That's the point. I'm exaggerating to get my point across about its shoddy quality. It's why bad episodes of any show are often referred to in the community as 'having no animation'.

See Ishikawa has been doing this type of stuff from #35. He tries to use digital trickery to hide the lack of animation.

He has personally, but this isn't animated by Ishikawa.

[Sodhi]

Couldn't he still use digital tricky to hide the lack of animation of another animator or is that not how it works?

[Ajay]

Couldn't he still use digital tricky to hide the lack of animation of another animator or is that not how it works?

Nope, that's not the animation supervisor's job, though he could certainly approve a cut that specifically directs the filming team to do X and Y to cover things up. The director also has a say in such things, too.

[Alee9977]

That scene barely animated reminds me of a scene in the Vegeta vs Kyabe fight, there are zooms in and out to hide the lack of animation.

[Hit!!]

I saw some Tate Naoki in the NEP. Looks like next episode will look pretty good. But the fight in this one was just horrible.

[BakaManiaHD]

I didn't like the fight.. :/

[Ajay]

Episode 53



Animation Supervisors
Ishikawa Osamu and Lee Joo-hyon.

Key Animators
Higashide Futoshi Ooyama Yasuhiko Nagaki Tatsuhiro Kato Yoshitaka Ishikawa Osamu Lee Joo-hyon Ono Ayumi Tu Yeong-chaek Beppu Yoichi Otsuka Masato Takeda Shun

2nd Key Animator
Tezuka Emi Sugawara Rieko Yamada Jun Hatanaka Taichi TAP A-Line Second Gate Shinryu

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That was about what I expected based on the preview. Not a lotta movement and a big reliance on stills. There was a short long shot that was nicely done, but other than that, it was mostly unexceptional. It's very much like Ishikawa's tournament episode, so not all together too surprising. I'd have liked to have seen a little more corrections made to the fight, but it was definitely improved from the trailer, I believe. The backgrounds were different at least! Will have to go back and double check the characters, though.

Once again, Ishikawa's capable of drawing magnificent stills, but we've yet to see an episode from him where the animation really shines -- well, outside of his pairing with Tate, at least. I'd love to see those two together, again. The Super Saiyan 2 pan was damn good. I wonder if that was him on Higashide (yes, the godly beast is back again!). Will have to recheck that one.

Lee Joo-hyon was partnered up with Ishikawa on this one. He worked with Kitano on that awful episode 45, and that definitely explains why I found that style so familiar. Giant arching eyes everywhere!

Shimanuki's episode looks magnificent just going by that preview. I'm actually annoyed that I have to wait a week! Very excited to see what he does there. The way he draws Trunks just makes me so happy, and the prospect of some cool Trunks and Vegeta sure helps, too!

[ArchedThunder]

Higashide has done 4 episodes in a row, Jesus. I can't really comment on much since I saw it absolutely tiny, but from what I could tell most of the art that was close up was pretty good and there was a short cut during the fight that looked nice in terms of movement, but I have no idea how it looked in terms of art. I'm kinda surprised the fight as a whole didn't turn out better with how many animators they had on this one.

I saw a larger version of the NEP and the art looks pretty damn nice, lots of really nicely drawn noses!

[Anime Kitten]

I haven't seen EP53 yet, but did we get any good shots of Zamasu?

[ArchedThunder]

I also just realized that the image of Blue Vegeta that came out yesterday isn't in the NEP.

[Sodhi]

#53 was actually a pretty decent episode, the only bad part I could say was the fight. #54 looks really good from the preview.

[Ajay]

Updated with the image above. Highlighted Ishikawa's (and probably Higashide's) work in the red outline, and then Lee's stuff for the rest.

Here's the fight from the episode. I took the liberty of removing the cutaways.

As you can see, it's not really anything special, but there are a couple of interesting bits compositionally, and as I said earlier, the brief longshot is okay.

There were corrections done to the characters, though not a whole lot.

Goku's eyes were changed and Zamasu's thumb position was fixed.

I saw some Tate Naoki in the NEP.

Not seeing any Tate there. Looked all like Shimanuki to me. Though considering Tate worked under Shimanuki for so long, they do share some traits.

[Alee9977]

I just saw the Goku vs Zamasu fight and I don't understand why people is comparing it with episode 5.
It was consistent in animation, and there were some interesting shots, like the Goku SSJ2 full image.
The fight didn't dissapoint me but didn't surprise me either, there were some good movements but I hate that Super fights only last 3 minutes.
Good for not being an important fight.

[ArchedThunder]

Updated with the image above. Highlighted Ishikawa's (and probably Higashide's) work in the red outline, and then Lee's stuff for the rest.

Here's the fight from the episode. I took the liberty of removing the cutaways.

As you can see, it's not really anything special, but there are a couple of interesting bits compositionally, and as I said earlier, the brief longshot is okay.

I saw some Tate Naoki in the NEP.

Not seeing any Tate there. Looked all like Shimanuki to me. Though considering Tate worked under Shimanuki for so long, they do share some traits.

I really wish that longshot was longer, it looked pretty cool. I wonder who animated that.

Is it just me or did Lee Joo-hyon's art look A LOT better than in 45?

[Anime Kitten]

That fight looked good to me. I don't see much of a problem with it.

[Ajay]

Is it just me or did Lee Joo-hyon's art look A LOT better than in 45?

At least during the fight, I feel like Ishikawa played a hand in that. The noses, and in particular, the ears look like they've been corrected by Ishikawa.

Other than that, I think it was fairly similar to the styles show in 45. I feel like having someone like Ishikawa around to help instead of Kitano is probably a plus!

We definitely didn't get any of these shots, at least...

But yeah, I think this episode was serviceable. I really didn't find myself particularly bothered by anything in it, even if the fight was lackluster.