The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Steven Bloodriver]

Thanks, DanielSSJ for your reply. But Imperfect Cell would have not gotten far from where he was born as either (or even both) Future Gohan or Future Trunks would have killed him even before he could have drank anyone, as unlike their present counterparts, Future Gohan and Future Trunks definitely would have kept close tabs over the Earth and they would have never stopped training. Meaning the threats beyond Cell would have been dealing with potentially more than one Super Saiyan 3 or an even stronger form of the Saiyan race, and perhaps only Goku Black would have been able to challenge Future Gohan or Future Trunks if it turns out he is even stronger than Golden Frieza.

[apex_pretador]

Hypothetical Namek saga SSJ Vegeta vs King Cold

Vegeta one-shots if this is end of namek saga vegeta (pre death)

[Power Metal]

23rd Tenkaichi Budōkai Chi-Chi vs. 25th Tenkaichi Budōkai Videl?

[Lord Beerus]

23rd Tenkaichi Budōkai Chi-Chi vs. 25th Tenkaichi Budōkai Videl?

Videl gets wasted.

[DanielSSJ]

23rd Tenkaichi Budōkai Chi-Chi vs. 25th Tenkaichi Budōkai Videl?

Chi Chi absolutely destroys Videl. Chi Chi qualified for the Budokai with the highest level of competition, and was skilled enough to impress the likes of Muten Roshi. Videl qualifying for the Budokai now isn't impressive given the steep decline in the competition, and her ability to fly doesn't give her much of an advantage.

[In Brightest Day]

Since this thread is moving along pretty slowly, here's another set of fights :

- Mr. Boo vs. Ginyu-Tagoma.
- Garlic Junior (film 1) vs. Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha, Muten Roshi, Chaozu and Yajirobe (beginning of Z).
- SSJ Son Gohan (Boo arc) vs. Future Trunks (vs. Imperfect Cell) and Piccolo (Boo arc).
- Olibu vs. Oob (28th Budokai).

[DanielSSJ]

Since this thread is moving along pretty slowly, here's another set of fights :

- Mr. Boo vs. Ginyu-Tagoma.
- Garlic Junior (film 1) vs. Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha, Muten Roshi, Chaozu and Yajirobe (beginning of Z).
- SSJ Son Gohan (Boo arc) vs. Future Trunks (vs. Imperfect Cell) and Piccolo (Boo arc).
- Olibu vs. Oob (28th Budokai).

You are a gentleman and a scholar.

- The highest that I place Ginyu-Tagoma is in the Super Perfect Cell range. Mr. Boo is slightly weaker, but his regeneration and magic more than make up for it.
- Even with his immortality, I don't think Garlic Jr can win against the sheer numbers of Team Earth. The group is able to damage him enough (mostly through Ten's Kikoho) for him or Muten Roshi to seal him away with the Mafuba.
- Despite being rusty, Gohan is still a good chunk ahead of either of his opponents, and shouldn't have too much of hard time beating them down.
- Oob's full strength eclipses Olibu's by a long shot, but the reincarnated Majin doesn't have much of a handle on his powers yet and can only draw them out with anger, so I'd give it to Olibu if he fights smart.

[In Brightest Day]

23rd Tenkaichi Budōkai Chi-Chi vs. 25th Tenkaichi Budōkai Videl?

Although Videl learnt to fly and probably improved from Gohan's training, I still don't think she ever reached the level Goku was sitting at even in his first appearance.

In the very first chapter, Goku was durable enough to take a bullet to the head and only receive a small bruise, whereas Videl was wounded from a stray bullet in Battle of Gods. I do think she had some unlocked potential though, and unlike her father she probably could have become pretty powerful for a human with the right training. Unfortunately, she came along so late in the story that it probably wouldn't have mattered anyway.

Chi Chi, on the other hand, did get the opportunity to train under some advanced fighters and had some talent. Apparently she rivaled Muten Roshi at the 23rd Budokai. Frankly, Chi Chi could beat Videl as easily as Goku defeated her. She's in a completely different league.

[apex_pretador]

Since this thread is moving along pretty slowly, here's another set of fights :

- Mr. Boo vs. Ginyu-Tagoma.
- Garlic Junior (film 1) vs. Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha, Muten Roshi, Chaozu and Yajirobe (beginning of Z).
- SSJ Son Gohan (Boo arc) vs. Future Trunks (vs. Imperfect Cell) and Piccolo (Boo arc).
- Olibu vs. Oob (28th Budokai).

Either buu turns him to candy, or Ginyu body changes.

Galric jr was stronger than BoZ piccolo, who will vaporise them all with a casual blast. It's simple to say who wins.

I think piccolo alone can take this IMO, adding trunks is overkill.

Oob one shots someone far weaker than Yamcha, not even funny.

23rd Tenkaichi Budōkai Chi-Chi vs. 25th Tenkaichi Budōkai Videl?

chichi one shots

[DanielSSJ]

Although Videl learnt to fly and probably improved from Gohan's training, I still don't think she ever reached the level Goku was sitting at even in his first appearance.

In the very first chapter, Goku was durable enough to take a bullet to the head and only receive a small bruise, whereas Videl was wounded from a stray bullet in Battle of Gods. I do think she had some unlocked potential though, and unlike her father she probably could have become pretty powerful for a human with the right training. Unfortunately, she came along so late in the story that it probably wouldn't have mattered anyway.

Chi Chi, on the other hand, did get the opportunity to train under some advanced fighters and had some talent. Apparently she rivaled Muten Roshi at the 23rd Budokai. Frankly, Chi Chi could beat Videl as easily as Goku defeated her. She's in a completely different league.

While I do agree with you on the whole, I don't think that a character's resistance to gunfire is a feat of strength fit for comparison. With Goku in particular, I imagine he is more resilient than others of comparable power because of his Saiyan biology. Now this would be baseless conjecture if it were not for one thing in particular: In Chapter 27, when Kuririn and Goku find and bring Lunch to Kame Island, there is a scene where she sneezes into her violent form and shoots all three of them. While Kuririn and Muten Roshi are sporting cartoony bullet holes, Goku only has scratches on his person. Obviously Toriyama wasn't imagining Goku as a super-powered space alien yet, but it is worth noting that even way back then, he did portray Goku as being peculiarly durable on some level.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Demon God Démigra vs Goku Black.

[Krillin1994]

Future Trunks (super) vs Zamasu

Goku SSJ2 (buu) vs Zamasu

Majin Vegeta vs Zamasu

Gotenks vs Zamasu

[apex_pretador]

Future Trunks (super) vs Zamasu

Goku SSJ2 (buu) vs Zamasu

Majin Vegeta vs Zamasu

Gotenks vs Zamasu

they all get one shotted, except trunks, who gets two-shotted.

[DanielSSJ]

Future Trunks (super) vs Zamasu

Goku SSJ2 (buu) vs Zamasu

Majin Vegeta vs Zamasu

Gotenks vs Zamasu

they all get one shotted, except trunks, who gets two-shotted.

Why?

[Krillin1994]

Future Trunks (super) vs Zamasu

Goku SSJ2 (buu) vs Zamasu

Majin Vegeta vs Zamasu

Gotenks vs Zamasu

they all get one shotted, except trunks, who gets two-shotted.

Why?

I'd say Goku fared better against Zamasu than he did against Black. So Zamasu is weaker. He's stronger than U7 Kaioshin.

Goku was using plain old Super Saiyan against Zamasu. I'm fairly certain that a SS2 Future Trunks, or SS3 Gotenks could win here.

[MaxZ]

Future Trunks (super) vs Zamasu

Goku SSJ2 (buu) vs Zamasu

Majin Vegeta vs Zamasu

Gotenks vs Zamasu

He can beat Trunks assuming he's around as strong as Black

He can beat Buu Arc Goku and Vegeta probably pretty easily

Stands no chance against SSJ3 Gotenks.

[In Brightest Day]

While I do agree with you on the whole, I don't think that a character's resistance to gunfire is a feat of strength fit for comparison. With Goku in particular, I imagine he is more resilient than others of comparable power because of his Saiyan biology. Now this would be baseless conjecture if it were not for one thing in particular: In Chapter 27, when Kuririn and Goku find and bring Lunch to Kame Island, there is a scene where she sneezes into her violent form and shoots all three of them. While Kuririn and Muten Roshi are sporting cartoony bullet holes, Goku only has scratches on his person. Obviously Toriyama wasn't imagining Goku as a super-powered space alien yet, but it is worth noting that even way back then, he did portray Goku as being peculiarly durable on some level.

Eh,while I'm open to the theory, I honestly just chalk it up to being a gag scene. Even so, Krillin wasn't debilitated from the gunfire the way Videl was and in a later chapter Roshi easily blocked machine gun fire like it was nothing.

Also, this is clearly a superhuman feat. As you said, durability and strength may not coincide with each other, but at the very least we have a few examples of good old regular humans from the beginning of the series having sufficient strength to one-shot the normal fighters at the 25th Budokai (including Videl and Mr. Satan).

I think piccolo alone can take this IMO, adding trunks is overkill.

Huh. I've never seen someone place Boo arc Piccolo over SSJ Gohan. Care to explain why?

Oob one shots someone far weaker than Yamcha, not even funny.

Olibu was defeated by the unstoppable God known as 'filler Yamcha.' Olibu versus regular manga Yamcha would be a different story.

[apex_pretador]

Future Trunks (super) vs Zamasu

Goku SSJ2 (buu) vs Zamasu

Majin Vegeta vs Zamasu

Gotenks vs Zamasu

they all get one shotted, except trunks, who gets two-shotted.

Why?

Base goku fought evenly with someone who could fodderize SS3 Gotenks. SS3 gotenks >> anyone here but trunks.
Trunks SS2 was nothing close to SS2 goku, who fought evenly against black who could one-shot trunks while barely trying.

Hell, no one here is countering Zamasu's "beerus style" fighting ability.

I think piccolo alone can take this IMO, adding trunks is overkill.

Huh. I've never seen someone place Boo arc Piccolo over SSJ Gohan. Care to explain why?

Oob one shots someone far weaker than Yamcha, not even funny.

Olibu was defeated by the unstoppable God known as 'filler Yamcha.' Olibu versus regular manga Yamcha would be a different story.

There are various reasons which lead me to believe that piccolo & buu arc SS gohan are comparable to each other. I can explain if needed.

On Olibu, he is a filler character. His strength is unknown.

1. First glance of Olibu - Puts up a decent effort against Pikkon, holding back, in weights. Pikkon with weights was weaker than base goku. So, that tells us that he is decently below base goku from cell arc.

2. Second glance of olibu - Gets fodderized by Yamcha, who is bested by Krillin, who is weaker than Base buu arc kids.

[Berserker1921]

Future Trunks (super) vs Zamasu

Goku SSJ2 (buu) vs Zamasu

Majin Vegeta vs Zamasu

Gotenks vs Zamasu

Remember Zamasu is fighting a more experienced ssj2 (I am saying ssj2, cause of lightning while in the form) Goku who had achieved godly abilities. I don't think Goku is going all out and the two base theory is still something. but I personally think Goku at ssj2 was stronger then his ssj3 self. Personally I put Zamasu/Black at mid tier ssj3. So Zamasu beats everyone except gotenks. Unless gotenks screws around too much and loses his time. Then he wins

[Hugo Boss]

Future Trunks (super) vs Zamasu

Goku SSJ2 (buu) vs Zamasu

Majin Vegeta vs Zamasu

Gotenks vs Zamasu

Zamasu clears everyone, except for Trunks. Goku took him too lightly, while Trunks would be a different matter. Though, Zamasu probably has the potential to become as strong as Beerus.