Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Regarder]

Bra is pretending to be near dead by lowering her ki because she somehow knew Cold was going to try the cutting discs. He's going to throw them to finish her off, and then she's going to suddenly have full power, and cause him to get cut in half by teleporting behind him when he tries to dodge "that old trick".

So... Just pulled that out my ass. How much gold do I get if I turn out to be right?

[Fionordequester]

Just found an awesome post by a user named Nomann on the DBM forums! It's in regards to Bra's character, and I think it's pretty brilliant. It's definitely not a perspective I've heard before.

I've been reading this comic for well over a year (just checked and it's actually been 3 years this month!), and this is my first post, so firstly I would like to say hello! I had to comment after seeing this page, because of how much I laughed.

Yes, laughed. I cackled (think Mark Hamil's joker, except less menacing) for a good 3 minutes until I was able to contain myself. The prospects of seeing Bra turned to mince meat (or worse, but I'll get to that later) made me absolutely giddy. Once I was calmed down again, this gave me a bit of pause, because Bra is ostensibly intended to be one of the 'good guys,' while Kold is anything but. In fact I do generally find myself this giddy at seeing a villain brought down, so by extension does that make Bra a villain?

Looking at her bio on the wiki, her defining feature is her arrogance. I've read the comments here, but it does seem nessasary to repeat; she belittles and verbally insults those around her, and is quick to resort to violence with little provocation. She has a short temper, the heat of which is matched only by her massive power (which is almost beyond her ability to control it seems at times). She kills her first opponent in the tournament in a mixture of revenge and blind rage. When her second opponent does not believe that her claim to fight for the survival of his universe, she forcibly teleports him lightyears away from the ring (for someone who's father thinks such things are cheap tricks like sorcery, it doesn't keep her from using them) and only brings him back once he has been counted out and she has won. Then against her third opponent she recklessly agrees to terms that handicap her ability to win (after she is supposed to be taking things seriously because she is fighting for another universe's survival), and the full results of that bull-headed mistake are yet to be fully played out.

With all that, you might expect me to be making the case that she's a villain. Well, I'm not. Bra is not a villain. Certainly not yet, anyway (I'll come back to this point).

Bra's arrogance is easy to explain. She was born with an immense power, numerically dwarfing what was seen through the entire series prior to Vegeta's fight with Goku. Further, her father is treated as well as royalty wherever he goes. Parts diplomat and warrior, superhero and myth, legend and (percieved) god, Vegetto is known throughout the universe to the point that simply his appearance brings people to lay down their weapons and bow in reverence. She has never had a true challenge in her life, at least regarding challenges she cares about (one would hope they never sent her to public school). Vegetto has also shown to be unwilling to strongly admonish her attitudes and actions, going back on his word when she lost her temper and killed her first opponent after having promised to withdraw her from the tournament if she did.

She's not a hero, either. Yes, we are told she's good, but the only example we have of her doing something remotely heroic is in her fight against her second opponent, when she promised to fight for the survival of his universe. How seriously did she take this promise though? In her very next fight she took the opportunity given to her to handicap herself, directly putting the survival of another universe at risk solely for her own amusement. That is not heroic, it's childish and shortsighted and irresponsible.

Bra is a spoiled princess of 16 years in age, sired by a godlike being, and 'blessed' with nigh godlike power. She is shown to have good intentions at heart, but has never been trained (or at least the training never took) to control herself or her temper or her actions. She is a roiling maelstrom barely kept in check by her father's overwhelming power. She acts on impulse and has come dangerously close to killing her family and loved ones.

All of that in mind, the overwhelming point is that bra is a child. She is not fully mature (at least by western standards. I just looked it up and in japan she would have to be 20 to be considered an adult), and thusly by most standards she is not fully responsible for her actions. Still, we learn from our mistakes, and this seems to have been the first time Bra has ever had that opportunity. If Vegetto will not punish her for her actions, perhaps it is up to Kold to show her the discipline she needs in order to learn and grow and mature. As children we learn that something hot hurts, and thus we learn to be carefull with hot things. Perhaps this will be a learning moment for bra, provided she survives (if not, and is revived, I hope it is still a learning moment for her).

To anyone who might be thinking that this punishment is too severe, perhaps you are right. But on the other hand, what punishment can really stick to someone with nigh godlike abilities and power? I don't know of any way, personally. With no punishment able to make an impact, what is to stop her from becoming a villain? Vegetto is not immortal, so that roadblock will not necessarily last forever. She is good at heart, but hearts can be corrupted, and minds can be turned towards evil. They say power corrupts, and Bra is absolutely powerful.

I did say there were worse things that could happen to bra than ending up as mincemeat, so I suppose I should explain before I wrap this post up. See, I like my villains to be, well, villainous. Cruel actions make it all the more enjoyable for me when finally the villain meets their comeuppance. If Kold wanted to be cruel, he could simply use all four of those discs to amputate her limbs. Their variation of the 'destructo disc' seems to cauterize wounds when they pass through fully. Robbed of her limbs, but alive, would be a truely horrific experience for Bra. Plus the consequences of this, and the reactions of other characters (namely Vegetto) would prove quite interesting I suspect.

That brings this first post to a close. Don't expect me to post very often. It's taken me 3 years to decide to say anything about the comic, it might be another 3 years. But who knows. I'll still be following the comic and reading the comments. A shout-out to Roketto though, fellow Floridian! I totally need to make the time to read 'Savior of Demons!'. I'm not the best with time management though.

See you all around.

[BlazingBarrrager]

Now THAT is an great, descriptive comment.

Also King Cold going for the kill? Someone better pick up the phone, because I FUCKING CALLED IT! *Abridged reference*

[miguelnuva1]

Bra is no different than her father. Goku and Vegeta both put the fate of the world before their own personal desires aeveral times in the series.

The only difference is Bra has enough power to not face the concquences of her actions.

[RandomGuy96]

If this ends in Kienzan redirection shenanigans, Cold is going to look like such a goober.

[Fionordequester]

If this ends in Kienzan redirection shenanigans, Cold is going to look like such a goober.

Not that he was ever very smart to begin with .

[rereboy]

The amount of hate Bra gets just from being cocky, arrogant and powerful, which is how her father is btw, and also from having anger issues, which is similar to Gohan and Vegeta, is pretty ridiculous. Being giddy and excited about the prospect of her being cut to pieces... well, that's disturbing lol.

Bra is basically what we she expect a child of Vegetto to be. She is mostly him with some anger issues on top which seem Vegeta-like.

[ParkerAL]

Bra is no different than her father. Goku and Vegeta both put the fate of the world before their own personal desires aeveral times in the series.

The only difference is Bra has enough power to not face the concquences of her actions.

Plus she has boobs instead of balls.

Seriously though, I know there are plenty of good reasons to not like Bra as a character. Believe me, she's grated on my nerves plenty of times too. She's arrogant, cocky, obnoxious, and foul-mouthed. But so was U13 Vegeta in his fight against Raichi, and he didn't seem to get piled on nearly as much when he received his much-deserved comeuppance.

I don't want to come across as a white knight on this (especially since I'm sure this topic has come up before), but I can't help but feel the hostility directed towards Bra wouldn't be quite as potent if she were a dude. Dragon Ball Z's fandom has a noticeable undercurrent of machismo in the west, and I think that can partly explain why Vegeta is widely liked and Bra (the one in Dragon Ball Multiverse, at least) is widely disliked, even though they share very similar personality traits.

Of course, the reasons Bra has been so poorly received are far more complicated to blame only on her gender, and the majority of people posting in this thread certainly have far more reasonable justifications for not liking her. But I don't think its something that can be ignored either.

[coola]

I also don't hate Bra, i dislike Vegetto more, according to novel part, he even treat to hurt Pan, if Gohan won't spare with him, i actually feel sorry for that univers, having to deal with overpowered guy, who could kill you with blink of eye if he gets bored.

[Draconic]

I'm really sorry to disrupt such an interesting conversation about Bra, but I feel like taking back some of the mean comments I made about Cold's form. It is still very unaestethic, but seeing him in action the form suits him very very well. An overkill appearence for an overkill character. It doesn't make the form look good by any means, but in the context of it all, it certainly gets the point across very good, that not being Cold's power, but his excessiveness.

[FoolsGil]

If Bra was male I'd feel the the exact same way. I hate Vegeta for his arrogance, his rudeness and his karma houdini ways. Goku shows off his worst side in the Buu Saga, though he's shown shades of assholishness in the Cell Saga. their negative character traits are inside of Bra, and I don't like it one bit. Male, or female, an asshole or a bitch I don't really care for. And that's for Vegetto too.

[Dbzfan94]

What I don't like is despite being a fusion, Vegetto in this universe is 99.9% Vegeta, and by extension so is Bra. If she showed more of Goku's kinder qualities id like her more

[rereboy]

What I don't like is despite being a fusion, Vegetto in this universe is 99.9% Vegeta, and by extension so is Bra. If she showed more of Goku's kinder qualities id like her more

I think Vegetto fits with what we've seen of him in the manga. Especially after all these years without a proper fight.

[Dbzfan94]

What I don't like is despite being a fusion, Vegetto in this universe is 99.9% Vegeta, and by extension so is Bra. If she showed more of Goku's kinder qualities id like her more

I think Vegetto fits with what we've seen of him in the manga. Especially after all these years without a proper fight.

Maybe I'm just too anime focused, because there he had a lot of Goku too. But you may be right

[miguelnuva1]

Once Goku turned into a SSJ his negative qualities came out.

I can see some Goku and Vegeta in Bra and Vegito acts like I expect him to act. Gogeta got the same qualities but it makes him a big clown where as Vegito has anger tantrums. Bra was a little more entitled but she should be based on how the character was introduced.

Her father is Vegito and her mother is Bulma, she's rich, powerful and possibly intelligent to boot and there is now challenge for her but her older brother who she'll pass up and her father but her base traits are still the same ones we see Goku and Vegeta use in the Buu saga through Super.

I also think Bra gets a late of hate because of how Vegito himself was treated in DBM where people accused Salagir himself living through Vegito.

[testing223]

What I don't like is despite being a fusion, Vegetto in this universe is 99.9% Vegeta, and by extension so is Bra. If she showed more of Goku's kinder qualities id like her more

Gogeta was more like Goku when he got serious, no taunting or trashtalk.

Vegetto was always more Vegeta in battle.

[miguelnuva1]

What I don't like is despite being a fusion, Vegetto in this universe is 99.9% Vegeta, and by extension so is Bra. If she showed more of Goku's kinder qualities id like her more

Gogeta was more like Goku when he got serious, no taunting or trashtalk.

Vegetto was always more Vegeta in battle.

There both actually mixed up well.

[RandomGuy96]

If this ends in Kienzan redirection shenanigans, Cold is going to look like such a goober.

Not that he was ever very smart to begin with .

In almost any case I'd call BS if that was the ending of the fight, but Cold is enough of a putz that I can buy it here.

Seriously, what was the sword gonna do, you stupid asshole?

[BlazingBarrrager]

Believe me when I say I like U16 Bra, especially since she isn't a mama's girl like in U18 (what a waste of a 1/2 Saiyan). She just reminds me way too much of Gohan. I do can't help but wonder why Vegetto picked Bulma over Chi-Chi, and how the end result with the latter would be. XD

What I don't like is despite being a fusion, Vegetto in this universe is 99.9% Vegeta, and by extension so is Bra. If she showed more of Goku's kinder qualities id like her more

Gogeta was more like Goku when he got serious, no taunting or trashtalk.

Vegetto was always more Vegeta in battle.

Are we referring to Gogeta period, the movie version, or GT version?

If this ends in Kienzan redirection shenanigans, Cold is going to look like such a goober.

Not that he was ever very smart to begin with .

In almost any case I'd call BS if that was the ending of the fight, but Cold is enough of a putz that I can buy it here.

Not only would it be sweet irony, but it will also screw him over for having a ridiculous asspull transformation like that. Seriously if he can do this already, then why the hell did he go 100% against U3 SSJ Bardock when that form burns his stamina fast?

[RandomGuy96]

Not only would it be sweet irony, but it will also screw him over for having a ridiculous asspull transformation like that. Seriously if he can do this already, then why the hell did he go 100% against U3 SSJ Bardock when that form burns his stamina fast?

I thought Boo granted him this form?