Black is a sadistic jerkass who takes pleasure from his own pain since it makes him stronger. He also takes the time to slowly wiped out the people of Earth instead of pulling a Super Buu and wiping them out with seekers. Black also comes off as mentally unstable given how he can go from calm and even playful, to batshit insane and is prone to slasher smiles.
Zamasu is calm, but he show irritation much faster than Black. He hates the idea of mortals even touching him, while Black doesn't care. He is also not sadistic, nor does he enjoy his own pain. He also doesn't seem to like to fight, given how he kept turning Goku down, while Black is very eager for battle.
It is possible for the second description to become the first description.
HeroR wrote:
And some other points. Black comes off like he never met Goku before and is happy to see the power of Super Saiyan Goku. Zamasu is shocked and is mad that Goku overpowered him since he's just a mortal.
Because Goku was dead when he found him in his timeline.
HeroR wrote:
They're fighting styles are also different. Zamasu is someone who repels and then attacks, while Black is much more aggressive and passionate when he fights.
Because he's a saiyan/has a saiyan body now.
Sleeping until the tournament is over.
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Araki wrote:
These days people start throwing the words "filler" and "silce of life" everytime characters aren't punching each other. No matter if something is moving the plot or there's character exposition.
Imagine if DB started these days. It would go like this:
"hey, what's happening in Dragon Ball today?"
"Goku wants Mutenroshi to train him, so he's bringing him some chicks now."
"oh i see, just slice of life filler then. skippable. "
Black is a sadistic jerkass who takes pleasure from his own pain since it makes him stronger. He also takes the time to slowly wiped out the people of Earth instead of pulling a Super Buu and wiping them out with seekers. Black also comes off as mentally unstable given how he can go from calm and even playful, to batshit insane and is prone to slasher smiles.
Zamasu is calm, but he show irritation much faster than Black. He hates the idea of mortals even touching him, while Black doesn't care. He is also not sadistic, nor does he enjoy his own pain. He also doesn't seem to like to fight, given how he kept turning Goku down, while Black is very eager for battle.
It is possible for the second description to become the first description.
HeroR wrote:
And some other points. Black comes off like he never met Goku before and is happy to see the power of Super Saiyan Goku. Zamasu is shocked and is mad that Goku overpowered him since he's just a mortal.
Because Goku was dead when he found him in his timeline.
HeroR wrote:
They're fighting styles are also different. Zamasu is someone who repels and then attacks, while Black is much more aggressive and passionate when he fights.
Because he's a saiyan/has a saiyan body now.
How would explain Zamasu going from someone who doesn't like to fight, isn't sadistic, and enjoys pain. He's basically a completely different character, and just going into an new body or possessing a new body would suddenly change his fighting style. I mean, why would Zamasu being in a Saiyan body have to do with fighting techniques?
And if he never met Goku before, why would he take his form?
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
I posted this theory in the episode thread but I might as well post it here as well.
Zamasu is Black, but not yet.
Remember, Black is from the future. Zamasu met Goku this episode and developed a grudge against him, even thinking that he won't forget him.
Sometime later down the line, he takes Goku's form, steals a time ring, and goes to universe 7, ending up in Trunks' timeline. By fighting Zamasu in this episode, Goku unwittingly helped create Goku Black. Maybe even Beerus and Whis' explanation of why they were there (investigating Black) gave him the idea. It also explains why Black is stronger than Zamasu - he's been training and improved after losing to Goku. And while Zamasu may not completely hate mortals to the point of wanting to commit genocide yet, he could reach that point eventually, which is when he becomes Black.
Death didn't stopped him from unleashing a hillbilly on humanity.
Oh, don't even get me started on that bullshit movie.
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Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Black and Zamasu have completely different personality, and Zamasu doesn't look the type to enjoy fighting much less killing, I do believe they're connected somehow but Black and Zamasu are likely different from what we know so far. Also Goku might be a retard but he's not a good reason for Zamasu to exterminate all humans
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Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:I posted this theory in the episode thread but I might as well post it here as well.
Zamasu is Black, but not yet.
Remember, Black is from the future. Zamasu met Goku this episode and developed a grudge against him, even thinking that he won't forget him.
Sometime later down the line, he takes Goku's form, steals a time ring, and goes to universe 7, ending up in Trunks' timeline. By fighting Zamasu in this episode, Goku unwittingly helped create Goku Black. Maybe even Beerus and Whis' explanation of why they were there (investigating Black) gave him the idea. It also explains why Black is stronger than Zamasu - he's been training and improved after losing to Goku. And while Zamasu may not completely hate mortals to the point of wanting to commit genocide yet, he could reach that point eventually, which is when he becomes Black.
But Black acted like he had never met Goku and is impressed by his power. And why would Zamasu call himself Son Goku? I mean, he doesn't try to act like Goku, so why take his name?
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
If that heroes trailer was accurate then looks Zam creating Black theory maybe the one. Though Black ending up in the future still bugs me like if Zam really did make Black then how did he know Goku was dead in U7's Earth's future timeline?
Sonicjamareiz wrote:Based on the recent Dragon Ball heroes trailer it seems as though Zamasu is not Goku Black.
This doesn't really mean anything, for a variety of reasons. First and foremost, the Heroes trailers often throw a lot of things at the wall and just see what sticks, no matter if they contradict each other or not. Second, that could be Goku Black and the present version of Zamasu, not the one from Trunks timeline.
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I'm wondering, when i saw the time rings i assumed the 4 green ones were for each Kai and the silver for the highest ranked. As for me, I'm currently just going to stick with the theory that's most common until more info is gathered. Either Zamasu is Black or is involved in his creation.
I'm still sticking to my theory that what's happening here is that Zamasu has to "split" away from his evil side to officially become a Kaioshin, similar to how Kami attained God-hood on Earth. Zamasu splits into two, and the evil demon side is what eventually becomes Black. Black goes rogue, steals a Time Ring, and somehow runs into Future Goku in the afterlife and possesses his body (not fusion, but possession). Remember we've already seen Gods have the ability to possess other people's bodies like Kami did to Shen in the Piccolo arc. Black is a representation of Zamasu's inner hatred for mortals.
Doubtful, considering Goku Black was unaware of how his Time Ring worked. Following Future Trunks to the alternate present era was alien to him. Otherwise, he should know he can only progress forward and back in time, rendering alternate timeline crossing impossible outside of that special circumstance he's participated in once.
Nejishiki wrote:Doubtful, considering Goku Black was unaware of how his Time Ring worked. Following Future Trunks to the alternate present era was alien to him. Otherwise, he should know he can only progress forward and back in time, rendering alternate timeline crossing impossible outside of that special circumstance he's participated in once.
To be fair, Beerus and Whis seemed to be unaware that Time Rings could do that as well, since they directly stated they can only be used to travel forward in time. It was never stated or implied Goku Black didn't know what a Time Ring actually was.
What is interesting in the Heroes trailer is that, Zamasu has a green ring on him instead of his regular orangish ring. It may probably mean nothing because its heroes but just wanted to point that out.
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Nejishiki wrote:Doubtful, considering Goku Black was unaware of how his Time Ring worked. Following Future Trunks to the alternate present era was alien to him. Otherwise, he should know he can only progress forward and back in time, rendering alternate timeline crossing impossible outside of that special circumstance he's participated in once.
To be fair, Beerus and Whis seemed to be unaware that Time Rings could do that as well, since they directly stated they can only be used to travel forward in time. It was never stated or implied Goku Black didn't know what a Time Ring actually was.
I thought Beerus said that, paraphrased here, "Even Gods are only allowed to travel forward in time except under special circumstances" or something like that. I may be 100% wrong here but I thought something to that effect was said.
I don't remember him actually saying the Time Ring can only go forward. You'd be stuck in the future every time you used it if that were the case right?
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My reasoning on why Zamasu is Black: They both view mortals as more or less inferior, they both have an instinct for fighting, they have similar ki which should have been brought up to Gowasu if he were Black. Black also knew who Goku was and he couldn't have originated in Trunks timeline if it's because he met Goku and stole his body because Goku is dead in Trunk's timeline, so how did he know of Goku? I believe this very moment of when Goku fought Zamasu is when he decided to create Black, a future Zamasu if you will.
My reasoning on why Zamasu is not Black: Why the heck would a kaioshin from universe 10 send Black to universe 7 in future Trunk's timeline, when he said at the end of the latest episode he wanted to pay Goku back?
It's really hard to gain evidence on Zamasu without his future counterpart coming into play, which would make sense of everything. BUT if that's the case, why would he send Black to Trunks timeline instead of going to destroy Goku? One could argue he did that and he stole Goku's body and traveled to Trunks timeline but Goku's still alive so it wouldn't make sense!
My conclusion/Theory: There has to be a future Zamasu and a 2nd alternate timeline different from Trunks's in play here.
