"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[SansrivaaL]

Its quite sad tbh, Dragon Ball was once the prime example and core of base fighting shonen anime and now it cant even compete with Pokemon's animation. DB and Z's appeal were its fight scenes whereas Super's fight scenes are by far the worst in its current generation and competition. Here I thought most of the people in Japan respects and loves Dragon Ball, guess I was wrong, from what I can see the studio doesnt care if it looks good or bad anymore so long as they get to show DB and earn ratings. Its sad that Toriyama doesnt have the power to change studio's or if he can then I find it weird that he lets Toei continue with what they're doing with his work. Heck at least Toyotarou's doin a good job with DB, now if only he'd do a weekly release (which is impossible....) I wouldnt even watch the anime if the manga's ahead or at least releases weekly.

Before I was only upset with Toei's animation but now even with how they treat Goku, its like their making Goku Luffy, which is why I didnt like OP in the first place, because of how unbelievable stupid Luffy is.

[dbzfan7]

Before I was only upset with Toei's animation but now even with how they treat Goku, its like their making Goku Luffy, which is why I didnt like OP in the first place, because of how unbelievable stupid Luffy is.

DREAMING, DON'T GIVE IT UP GOKU! DREAMING, DON'T GIVE IT UP VEGETA! DREAMING, DON'T GIVE IT UP BEERUS!

[sintzu]

Here I thought most of the people in Japan respects and loves Dragon Ball, guess I was wrong.

from what I can see the studio doesn't care if it looks good or bad anymore so long as they get to show DB and earn ratings.

Its sad that Toriyama doesn't have the power to change studios.

If he can then I find it weird that he lets Toei continue with what they're doing with his work.

It's only doing good because it's on a kids morning block, if they aired it at night for adults like what Toonami does it wouldn't have lasted 10 episodes.

That's Toei.

He's the original author and its creator so he does have power over it but I think Shueisha does as well so they'd need to come to an agreement over it and that's assuming they didn't sell the rights to Toei.

There was some behind the scenes trouble between them to the point where he was thinking of walking away from it but considering he's still working on it and its production and writing are worse then the Champa arc, I doubt it was about its quality.

[JulieYBM]

Its quite sad tbh, Dragon Ball was once the prime example and core of base fighting shonen anime and now it cant even compete with Pokemon's animation. DB and Z's appeal were its fight scenes whereas Super's fight scenes are by far the worst in its current generation and competition. Here I thought most of the people in Japan respects and loves Dragon Ball, guess I was wrong, from what I can see the studio doesnt care if it looks good or bad anymore so long as they get to show DB and earn ratings. Its sad that Toriyama doesnt have the power to change studio's or if he can then I find it weird that he lets Toei continue with what they're doing with his work. Heck at least Toyotarou's doin a good job with DB, now if only he'd do a weekly release (which is impossible....) I wouldnt even watch the anime if the manga's ahead or at least releases weekly.

Before I was only upset with Toei's animation but now even with how they treat Goku, its like their making Goku Luffy, which is why I didnt like OP in the first place, because of how unbelievable stupid Luffy is.

Yuu Yuu Hakusho had far better animation than Dragon Ball did during the 1990s. It was hardly ever the top dog.

[Lord Beerus]

Its quite sad tbh, Dragon Ball was once the prime example and core of base fighting shonen anime and now it cant even compete with Pokemon's animation. DB and Z's appeal were its fight scenes whereas Super's fight scenes are by far the worst in its current generation and competition. Here I thought most of the people in Japan respects and loves Dragon Ball, guess I was wrong, from what I can see the studio doesnt care if it looks good or bad anymore so long as they get to show DB and earn ratings. Its sad that Toriyama doesnt have the power to change studio's or if he can then I find it weird that he lets Toei continue with what they're doing with his work. Heck at least Toyotarou's doin a good job with DB, now if only he'd do a weekly release (which is impossible....) I wouldnt even watch the anime if the manga's ahead or at least releases weekly.

Before I was only upset with Toei's animation but now even with how they treat Goku, its like their making Goku Luffy, which is why I didnt like OP in the first place, because of how unbelievable stupid Luffy is.

Yuu Yuu Hakusho had far better animation than Dragon Ball did during the 1990s. It was hardly ever the top dog.

And Yuu Yuu Hakusho had better fights, too.

[Doctor.]

And Yuu Yuu Hakusho had better fights, too.

Woah friend, I think you need to calm down.

If we're comparing the manga fights, DB easily tops it, like no chance.

[kinisking]

Here I thought most of the people in Japan respects and loves Dragon Ball, guess I was wrong.

from what I can see the studio doesn't care if it looks good or bad anymore so long as they get to show DB and earn ratings.

Its sad that Toriyama doesn't have the power to change studios.

If he can then I find it weird that he lets Toei continue with what they're doing with his work.

It's only doing good because it's on a kids morning block, if they aired it at night for adults like what Toonami does it wouldn't have lasted 10 episodes.

That's Toei.

He's the original author and its creator so he does have power over it but I think Shueisha does as well so they'd need to come to an agreement over it and that's assuming they didn't sell the rights to Toei.

There was some behind the scenes trouble between them to the point where he was thinking of walking away from it but considering he's still working on it and its production and writing are worse then the Champa arc, I doubt it was about its quality.

So a series aimed at kids is doing well because it's at a time where kids can watch it... Okay?

[Lord Beerus]

And Yuu Yuu Hakusho had better fights, too.

Woah friend, I think you need to calm down.

If we're comparing the manga fights, DB easily tops it, like no chance.

I'm talking about the anime. But fights in the manga were really good. It's just that the story fell apart in the final arc. That's why I love the anime adaptation of Yuu Yuu Hakusho so much. It manged to take everything great about the manga and make it even better, and when it came to the bullshit of the manga, like the ending, it re-imagined it into something really satisfying.

[sintzu]

So a series aimed at kids is doing well because it's at a time where kids can watch it... Okay?

That's the problem, they're only targeting one demographic even thought the franchise is enjoyed by all ages.

And to make things worse, they said they know so they make the movies with older viewers in mind so why not do that with the show as well ?

[Boo Machine]

So a series aimed at kids is doing well because it's at a time where kids can watch it... Okay?

That's the problem, they're only targeting one demographic even thought the franchise is enjoyed by all ages.

And to make things worse, they said they know so they make the movies with older viewers in mind so why not do that with the show as well ?

Even if I wish they'd do that for the show, they still have that target demographic to think about when it comes to the T.v. show.

Unfortunately, I don't think that them knowing how many adults watch the show gives them the absolute freedom to do what they want.

There are plenty of cartoons that are aimed at kids over here in the states that plenty of adults are into and the show creators know it. But that doesn't stop the show from being targeted at kids.

[Noah]

The Pokémon anime changed some of its staff and that's the result. The team behind it is full of people who understand the Pokémon brand and the result is a high quality series. Even the writing has improved.

How I wish Super had something like that, a team that understands what is the Dragon Ball brand and it's worldwide impact, because of course Dragon Ball is not only Japan and deserves only the best, and with the best they could profit even more, not talking about the animation, but the writting as well.

[sintzu]

Even if I wish they'd do that for the show, they still have that target demographic to think about when it comes to the T.v. show.

Unfortunately, I don't think that them knowing how many adults watch the show gives them the absolute freedom to do what they want.

There are plenty of cartoons that are aimed at kids over here in the states that plenty of adults are into and the show creators know it. But that doesn't stop the show from being targeted at kids.

Dragon Ball like other Shonen is aimed at a large demographic, not just children so they should've made Super like they made the 1st 2 anime and Once Piece, with multiple demographics in mind.

[sintzu]

How I wish Super had a team that understands what is the Dragon Ball brand and it's worldwide impact, because of course Dragon Ball is not only Japan and deserves only the best, and with the best they could profit even more, not talking about the animation, but the writing as well.

Dragon Ball is hands down the most popular anime franchise in the world (or maybe #2 after Pokemon) but for some unknown reason they're only taking Japanese children into account.

Does that make sense ? they have one of the biggest franchises in the world that multiple demographics worldwide have enjoyed for decades and they chose to only focus on one demographic in Japan ?

I'll never understand Toei's business mindset.

Imagine if Star Wars decided to do that ?

[Boo Machine]

Even if I wish they'd do that for the show, they still have that target demographic to think about when it comes to the T.v. show.

Unfortunately, I don't think that them knowing how many adults watch the show gives them the absolute freedom to do what they want.

There are plenty of cartoons that are aimed at kids over here in the states that plenty of adults are into and the show creators know it. But that doesn't stop the show from being targeted at kids.

Dragon Ball like other Shonen is aimed at a large demographic, not just children so they should've made Super like they made the 1st 2 anime and Once Piece, with multiple demographics in mind.

Fair. Just offering a perspective.

Though now I'm curious. What would some folk consider better/more mature writing and where do you draw that line? Is there already a discussion on this?

[sintzu]

Though now I'm curious. What would some folk consider better/more mature writing and where do you draw that line ?

Is there already a discussion on this?

I'd be more than happy if it was written like DB & Z.

I don't think so but I'm sure it's been brought up before.

[namekiansaiyan]

Here I thought most of the people in Japan respects and loves Dragon Ball, guess I was wrong.

from what I can see the studio doesn't care if it looks good or bad anymore so long as they get to show DB and earn ratings.

Its sad that Toriyama doesn't have the power to change studios.

If he can then I find it weird that he lets Toei continue with what they're doing with his work.

It's only doing good because it's on a kids morning block, if they aired it at night for adults like what Toonami does it wouldn't have lasted 10 episodes.

That's Toei.

He's the original author and its creator so he does have power over it but I think Shueisha does as well so they'd need to come to an agreement over it and that's assuming they didn't sell the rights to Toei.

There was some behind the scenes trouble between them to the point where he was thinking of walking away from it but considering he's still working on it and its production and writing are worse then the Champa arc, I doubt it was about its quality.

So a series aimed at kids is doing well because it's at a time where kids can watch it... Okay?

They said the films were made with older people in mind, so why not the show itself. They are probably forgetting about the international audience which is without doubt mainly adults and consequently they should move the target audience up.

They should have the best animators and writers on a show that has the potential to be the biggest and the most profitable. Also companies like Namco that support the show should be encouraging this as Super is going to increase their sales for everything especially for their Dragonball games. Xenoverse 1 has sold about 4 million units worldwide with a huge majority of them sales coming outside of Japan, so if Super becomes a great show for everyone to watch then the sales for Xenoverse 2 could easily be 7-8 million.

[sintzu]

They should have the best animators and writers on a show that has the potential to be the biggest and the most profitable.

The best is completely out of the question considering we can't even get anything acceptable.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Commercially from what I've heard Super is doing really well and I think Toei is satisfied with that.

- Travis

[sintzu]

Commercially from what I've heard Super is doing really well and I think Toei is satisfied with that.

- Travis

It's doing well in terms of selling merchandise but the show itself doesn't sell that much in Japan which is how mainstream anime works there, they're made to sell the manga or merchandise and that's how the company behind it makes their $$$ alongside whatever they get from the network the show is on.

Internationally though, they make their $$$ off the show itself through home releases, streaming & TV deals but most anime fans internationally are adults which isn't what this train wreck is aimed at so the chances of it doing well outside of Japan or at least in the west are slim to non.

[kinisking]

They should have the best animators and writers on a show that has the potential to be the biggest and the most profitable.

The best is completely out of the question considering we can't even get anything acceptable.

Anything outside of fights is definitely acceptable. Even the fights are most of the time. Are you going to ignore future trunks Vs black, goku Vs black, goku and vegeta Vs hit, cabba Vs vegeta and more? So quick to forget.