"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[GodKaio-Ken]

Only the chosen few such as you can guide us from our ignorance.

Funimation will do that when they ask you to pay 35$ for each 12 episode box set.

I think for the most part Super has done a great job at story telling.

Toriyama's story is the only thing keeping this mess together.

I don't really find it to be a mess personally. It's okay to like different things. BoG arc was fine, RoF was horrible I admit, Champa Arc was pretty well done actually and so far I'm enjoying the FT Arc.

I can't point to what exactly Toriyama has or hasnt done so I cant say you are right/wrong about his input making it what it is.

[ArchedThunder]

I don't really see how Goku getting pushy for a fight with someone he is told is a battle genius means the show has bad writing. This is only the second time he's even been pushy about something in this show, the first time was because he was excited to be trained by the strongest in the universe. I can't totally see Goku being excited in both cases, so I don't get why some people are acting like it's the end of the world.
This arc in particular has been doing a great job with how the story is playing out I think.

[sintzu]

RoF was horrible I admit.

I can't point to what exactly Toriyama has or hasnt done so I cant say you are right/wrong about his input making it what it is.

Surprisingly I'm one of the few who thinks Super improved ROF's story.

The basic plots are written by him but the actual writing like the dialogue is by Toei.

[GodKaio-Ken]

RoF was horrible I admit.

I can't point to what exactly Toriyama has or hasnt done so I cant say you are right/wrong about his input making it what it is.

Surprisingly I'm one of the few who thinks Super improved ROF's story.

The basic plots are written by him but the actual writing like the dialogue is by Toei.

Well I knew that much about the bottom part, I just mean I'm not sure if there are parts where his outline may have been more detailed due to importance where other parts may be written a lot more by TOEI.

It probably improved the ROF story from the movie but it was just hard to take Frieza seriously as a villain at this point without much build up.

[HeroR]

*sigh*, every time there is nothing new to talk about, the same circle of jerks complained about the animation. Which comes off as really shallow at this point since most fans actually like the animation now. Yeah, it could be better, but it is around the level of One Piece (although One Piece have more well-drawn scenes that are almost movie like in some places). It also comes off as shallow since we got a story arc that is widely received, yet the same argument about animation that have been going on for over a year keeps coming up.

Also, why is animation being argued in the Official Announcement thread anyway? Isn't there like several threads about this subject?

Well I knew that much about the bottom part, I just mean I'm not sure if there are parts where his outline may have been more detailed due to importance where other parts may be written a lot more by TOEI.

It probably improved the ROF story from the movie but it was just hard to take Frieza seriously as a villain at this point without much build up.

You can find and read Toriyama's official script on this site. It is basically the same as the movie and they even cleaned up some of Toriyama's plot holes. One different is that Freeza hired mercenaries to help in the invasion since his army are all third-rank soldiers. This was dropped in the official release.

[Michie]

For a 2016 anime, Dragon Ball Super looks extremely average.

Even if Super fixes the animation we still have to deal with the Toei writing.

I highly recommend that people who are defending Super Goku should read the manga.

It's hard to believe that it's part of the same franchise that was known and loved for its battles.

Their writing is on a whole new level of bad.

Not only do they defend him, they accuse people who don't like him of not understanding the character and the franchise.

Considering it's ratings I would say the animation is considered acceptable by most people.

Even on Kanzenshuu and other places, the animation is acceptable for the most part.

It's main demographic are children so of course it has high ratings.

By fanboys, not fans who have standards for the franchise and anime in general.

Then why do other childrens shows not get ratings as high? And I guess the majority of fans are fanboys then. Only the chosen few such as you can guide us from our ignorance.

Dragon Ball super has the best timeslot imaginable.
And even though it's bad people will still watch it because it's Dragon Ball.

[sintzu]

It was just hard to take Frieza seriously as a villain at this point without much build up.

It's hard to take any threat seriously when you have someone like Beerus and Whis on the heroes' side 24/7 but unlike the movie Freeza was equal to Goku's base in his 4th form and completely dominated SsjB Goku in his Golden form so they made him as big of a threat as they could.

The tournament had the same problem cause all that was on the line was earth's location so losing wouldn't have been a big deal.

Black could barely put up a fight against Ssj2 Goku who was holding back so he's an even lesser threat than Freeza was.

[Anime Kitten]

It's hard to take any threat seriously when you have someone like Beerus and Whis on the heroes' side 24/7 but unlike the movie Freeza was equal to Goku's base in his 4th form and completely dominated SsjB Goku in his Golden form so they made him as big of a threat as they could.

The tournament had the same problem cause all that was on the line was earth's location so losing wouldn't have been a big deal.

Black could barely put up a fight against Ssj2 Goku who was holding back so he's an even lesser threat than Freeza was.

Wasn't big enough, unfortunately.

And also Team Universe 7's lives *cough cough* Beerus.

He gets stronger every time, and if he went SSJB-level in his current base, he'd surpass Beerus.

[sintzu]

*sigh*, every time there is nothing new to talk about, the same circle of jerks complained about the animation.

Which comes off as really shallow at this point since most fans actually like the animation now.

It is around the level of One Piece (although One Piece have more well-drawn scenes that are almost movie like in some places and better writing, better stories and better characters).

The same argument about animation that have been going on for over a year keeps coming up.

Sorry for having standards.

We'll see how many fans like it when Funimation announces 12 episode box sets for 35$ each.

If people have been complaining for over a year then that means the problems haven't been fixed yet and chances are they'll never be.

[Michie]

It was just hard to take Frieza seriously as a villain at this point without much build up.

It's hard to take any threat seriously when you have someone like Beerus and Whis on the heroes' side 24/7 but unlike the movie Freeza was equal to Goku's base in his 4th form and completely dominated SsjB Goku in his Golden form so they made him as big of a threat as they could.

The tournament had the same problem cause all that was on the line was earth's location so losing wouldn't have been a big deal.

Black could barely put up a fight against Ssj2 Goku who was holding back so he's an even lesser threat than Freeza was.

I agree about there not being any stakes.
If Super doesn't move beyond the EoZ I'm afraid history isn't going to be kind to Super. The crappy animation and writing are on thing but right now Super feels like a Naruto filler arc.

[sintzu]

And also Team Universe 7's lives *cough cough* Beerus.

He gets stronger every time, and if he went SSJB-level in his current base, he'd surpass Beerus.

The Omni king would show up and prevent that like he did with U6's team.

If Goku went SsjB from the start and ripped his head off they wouldn't have to worry about that.

If Super doesn't move beyond the EoZ I'm afraid history isn't going to be kind to Super. The crappy animation and writing are on thing but right now Super feels like a Naruto filler arc.

Even if it does, there still won't be any major threats against anyone cause chances are Beerus and Whis will still be hanging around with them.

[Boo Machine]

Do Beerus and Whis really hinder any threats? Aside from Whis reversing time that one moment, They haven't seemed like they are ready to jump in anytime Goku or vegeta fails.

Black knew who beerus was and that didn't stop him from doing anything nor did Beerus lift a finger to help despite his complaints about black and all the time travel.

[FortuneSSJ]

Internationally though, they make their $$$ off the show itself through home releases, streaming & TV deals but most anime fans internationally are adults which isn't what this train wreck is aimed at so the chances of it doing well outside of Japan or at least in the west are slim to non.

You must be living on Namek or in other planet these days.
Super will do fine overseas, with a lot of kids joining the fandom and old fans come back for nostalgia. Some people not liking the show it won't make it flop.

People said that DB Kai, BOG and ROF Movie would flop overseas. None of them did it.

Maybe this is a shock for you, but most casual fans won't lose their shit over some animation/art problems, as long the show is entertaining, which it is.

It's not like people that like Super don't have standards, but they sit back and enjoy what they get.
People looking for off-model shots and stuff like that are minority out here.

At this point there are more people liking the show than hating it, and in that group of haters we still have people that don't accept the japanese cast, so when Super gets dubbed in their language and Goku gets his superman voice it will be miraculously better for them.

[Boo Machine]

We'll see how many fans like it when Funimation announces 12 episode box sets for 35$ each.

I'm unsure what this has to do with anything. Call me a sucker, but I'll probably get it like I do with any other anime I get.

[LightBing]

Why must this thread derail every so often? Normally it's a reaction to new information, this time it started with one of those empty posts:" look at this good animation, all of Super fights suck in comparison". Which makes it worse.
I'm sure there were threads before where people could have this type of discussion.

Could a mod please create one and sticky it? Maybe that can solve or diminish the problem of the classic "Super is bad vs Super is good". Which so often pollutes other threads and takes them over for multiple pages. We're about 3 pages in already in this one.

[namekiansaiyan]

Why must this thread derail every so often? Normally it's a reaction to new information, this time it started with one of those empty posts:" look at this good animation, all of Super fights suck in comparison". Which makes it worse.
I'm sure there were threads before where people could have this type of discussion.

Could a mod please create one and sticky it? Maybe that can solve or diminish the problem of the classic "Super is bad vs Super is good". Which so often pollutes other threads and takes them over for multiple pages. We're about 3 pages in already in this one.

This is the official discussion thread so anything can be discussed here.

[kinisking]

Why must this thread derail every so often? Normally it's a reaction to new information, this time it started with one of those empty posts:" look at this good animation, all of Super fights suck in comparison". Which makes it worse.
I'm sure there were threads before where people could have this type of discussion.

Could a mod please create one and sticky it? Maybe that can solve or diminish the problem of the classic "Super is bad vs Super is good". Which so often pollutes other threads and takes them over for multiple pages. We're about 3 pages in already in this one.

This is the official discussion thread so anything can be discussed here.

I thought that too, but then I re-read the title and it might just be about discussion on announcements.

[Anime Kitten]

Why must this thread derail every so often? Normally it's a reaction to new information, this time it started with one of those empty posts:" look at this good animation, all of Super fights suck in comparison". Which makes it worse.
I'm sure there were threads before where people could have this type of discussion.

Could a mod please create one and sticky it? Maybe that can solve or diminish the problem of the classic "Super is bad vs Super is good". Which so often pollutes other threads and takes them over for multiple pages. We're about 3 pages in already in this one.

General problems with the show, and animation discussion.

[Shin]

Why must this thread derail every so often? Normally it's a reaction to new information, this time it started with one of those empty posts:" look at this good animation, all of Super fights suck in comparison". Which makes it worse.
I'm sure there were threads before where people could have this type of discussion.

Could a mod please create one and sticky it? Maybe that can solve or diminish the problem of the classic "Super is bad vs Super is good". Which so often pollutes other threads and takes them over for multiple pages. We're about 3 pages in already in this one.

This is the official discussion thread so anything can be discussed here.

True, but constant no substance negative posts and borderline drive-by shitposting really make it difficult for some people to discuss the show here. And it's not just this thread either.

[Avok]

I know it's kinda off-topic, but:

I don't really see how Goku getting pushy for a fight with someone he is told is a battle genius means the show has bad writing. This is only the second time he's even been pushy about something in this show, the first time was because he was excited to be trained by the strongest in the universe. I can't totally see Goku being excited in both cases, so I don't get why some people are acting like it's the end of the world.
This arc in particular has been doing a great job with how the story is playing out I think.

Being excited is one thing, but acting like a 5 year old is a completely different matter.
Adult Goku was never like that in the manga. His excitemend to fight strong opponents and his innocence was portrayed in a subtle way, now he's like a completely different character most of the time.

This isn't new tho. Toriyama has said that they neved got Goku's character right because they made him too heroic. Now they're doing the polar opposite, and with this new wave that shonen main characters need to be goofy and dumb (Luffy, early Naruto, Hinata from Haikyuu, Asta from Black Clover) I can see why they feel like this is the right direction.