"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[GodKaio-Ken]

I know it's kinda off-topic, but:

I don't really see how Goku getting pushy for a fight with someone he is told is a battle genius means the show has bad writing. This is only the second time he's even been pushy about something in this show, the first time was because he was excited to be trained by the strongest in the universe. I can't totally see Goku being excited in both cases, so I don't get why some people are acting like it's the end of the world.
This arc in particular has been doing a great job with how the story is playing out I think.

Being excited is one thing, but acting like a 5 year old is a completely different matter.
Adult Goku was never like that in the manga. His excitemend to fight strong opponents and his innocence was portrayed in a subtle way, now he's like a completely different character most of the time.

This isn't new tho. Toriyama has said that they neved got Goku's character right because they made him too heroic. Now they're doing the polar opposite, and with this new wave that shonen main characters need to be goofy and dumb (Luffy, early Naruto, Hinata from Haikyuu, Asta from Black Clover) I can see why they feel like this is the right direction.

Its not just an anime. Watch an American Cartoon like Steven Universe and you will see basically the same thing. Adventure Time is the same.

[sintzu]

With this new wave that shonen main characters need to be goofy and dumb (Luffy, early Naruto, Hinata from Haikyuu, Asta from Black Clover) I can see why they feel like this is the right direction.

I don't because Goku was already liked the way he was so why fix something that isn't broken ?

[fadeddreams5]

The only original story we got was a Goku and Vegeta suck-a-thon disguised as a tournament.

Too soon to say anything about the current arc.

[SonsOfUlron21]

There's a Goku vs Black in Dragon Ball Heroes which looks awesome sad Dragon Ball Super won't be like that.

[sintzu]

Maybe this is a shock for you, but most casual fans won't lose their shit over some animation/art problems, as long the show is entertaining, which it is.

Anime in the US is marketed towards adults so will they spend 35$ on it every 2-3 months or buy it over something else ? will they chose to stay home every Saturday evening to watch it over going out or watching other things ?

[Boo Machine]

Maybe this is a shock for you, but most casual fans won't lose their shit over some animation/art problems, as long the show is entertaining, which it is.

Anime in the US is marketed towards adults so will they spend 35$ on it every 2-3 months or buy it over something else ? will they chose to stay home every Saturday evening to watch it over going out or watching other things ?

I can only speak for myself, but that what I've been doing.

It's not hard for me to imagine others doing the same.

This also sounds like a scenario where I have to choose DBS over something else, and I dont understand why I can't choose both.

[dbs fanboy]

So i came here searching for new information and what i find is a discussion about something pretty much off topic that began because one pokemon fight that is gorgeous?

What the hell people?, i thought that there were other places to talk about this.

Now I pretty much think that this discussion is pointless. If someone likes something and he/she has his/her reasons to do it what right would we have to think that they have no standards just because we don't like it? (or just disagree with their opinion).


I know that dbs has a lot of flaws (just look at the last episode with that Luffy 2.0 ), but I like it and i think that currently it's well written despite some flaws like that one in ep 53.
Because of that I have to be a fanboy with no standards that would love everything that has db on it's title? If so, why?

And I pretty much think that most of people here knows that db is not the best anime, and that dbs has a ton of flaws and that there are a lot of better anime out there.

So yeah, this is a pointless discussion in my opinion.

[Avok]

With this new wave that shonen main characters need to be goofy and dumb (Luffy, early Naruto, Hinata from Haikyuu, Asta from Black Clover) I can see why they feel like this is the right direction.

I don't because Goku was already liked the way he was so why fix something that isn't broken ?

Because, and to my disdain, they're appealing to a new audience. They want to attract the children so the franchise lives on for another 20 years. That's why there's no blood and shredded clothes, that's why there isn't a serious tone like the original series, that's why you have the Pilaf Gang forcibly added in every episode.
Back in the day you could show someone getting pierced by a blast in a kids show no problem. Times have changed.

It's not like I like it and I think they're doing it right, but sadly things wont change anytime soon.

[sintzu]

I like it and i think that currently it's well written despite some flaws like that one in ep 53 And I pretty much think that most of people here knows that dbs has a ton of flaws and that there are a lot of better anime out there.

I'm not talking about fans who admit it has flaws but enjoy it anyway, I'm talking about the fanboys who say there's nothing wrong with it, it's no different from the original and anyone who says otherwise is a hater.

If you enjoyed EP53 despite Goku being badly written I have no problem with you at all, my problem is with the fanboys who are saying Goku has always acted like that and fans who don't like it don't understand the character.

[ArchedThunder]

Nobody is saying Super is flawless.

[nite_jay]

Nobody is saying Super is flawless.

I've never seen anybody say that it's exactly the same as the original either.

Also, I've never really seen anybody on this forum say that they think DB Super as a whole is better than DB or DBZ. Just because somebody defends something about or disagrees with your opinion on it doesn't automatically make them an apologist.

[dbs fanboy]

I like it and i think that currently it's well written despite some flaws like that one in ep 53 And I pretty much think that most of people here knows that dbs has a ton of flaws and that there are a lot of better anime out there.

I'm not talking about fans who admit it has flaws but enjoy it anyway, I'm talking about the fanboys who say there's nothing wrong with it, it's no different from the original and anyone who says otherwise is a hater.

If you enjoyed EP53 despite Goku being badly written I have no problem with you at all, my problem is with the fanboys who are saying Goku has always acted like that and fans who don't like it don't understand the character.

Then I apologize for not understanding your point; however, who's saying that Super is flawless? (In this topic) i have seen people kinda defending the animators and related stuff, but it didn't look like they were being apologists, even when they talked about super's popularity and how would it be received and it's target.

[dbs fanboy]

With this new wave that shonen main characters need to be goofy and dumb (Luffy, early Naruto, Hinata from Haikyuu, Asta from Black Clover) I can see why they feel like this is the right direction.

I don't because Goku was already liked the way he was so why fix something that isn't broken ?

Because, and to my disdain, they're appealing to a new audience. They want to attract the children so the franchise lives on for another 20 years. That's why there's no blood and shredded clothes, that's why there isn't a serious tone like the original series, that's why you have the Pilaf Gang forcibly added in every episode.
Back in the day you could show someone getting pierced by a blast in a kids show no problem. Times have changed.

It's not like I like it and I think they're doing it right, but sadly things wont change anytime soon.

Huh?, i thought that censorship was due to different times .

I mean, look at Doraemon, it was more mature back then but now......... and it has been always a kid's shows, i hope that Shin Chan is safe without censorship, i would be pretty mad if they did that to this show .

[ArchedThunder]

Because, and to my disdain, they're appealing to a new audience. They want to attract the children so the franchise lives on for another 20 years. That's why there's no blood and shredded clothes, that's why there isn't a serious tone like the original series, that's why you have the Pilaf Gang forcibly added in every episode.
Back in the day you could show someone getting pierced by a blast in a kids show no problem. Times have changed.

It's not like I like it and I think they're doing it right, but sadly things wont change anytime soon.

Goku's clothes were shredded by the end of his fight with Beerus, Goku's clothes got more damaged in Super's F arc than in the movie and Goku and Vegeta came out of the RoSAT with shredded clothes. It hasn't happened often in Super, but I think that's more due to circumstance than anything.
We had a tiny bit of blood in two episodes of the Champa arc and a tiny bit in a recent episode, but obviously there is very little and there should be some more.
The tone gets serious when it needs to, the F arc had plenty of dark stuff, the Champa arc got serious at points and the current arc is pretty serious just with comic relief in between the dark stuff.
The Pilaf Gang is probably only there because Toriyama wants them there, I mean Toei didn't even include them in the Champa arc even though Toyotaro did.
Goku's been stabbed in the chest by Beerus and pierced by a blast from Sorbet, Tagoma had all of his joints blow out by Freeza, Gohan and Shisami has a blast shot through them by Tagoma, Gohan was basically made into swiss cheese by Freeza, Piccolo had a hole burned into his chest by Freeza, took a blast to the knee from Frost and then had a hole punched through his chest by him. That's a lot of people getting holes blown into them in a show that supposedly doesn't have that...

Super has more comic relief than Z, sure, and it certainly has a lot less blood, but the actual content of the serious moments isn't really any lighter than Z.

[sintzu]

Who's saying that Super is flawless ?

In 53's topic there were people saying that Goku has always acted like that which we know isn't true.

Some people will say the franchise has always had bad animation and art which like the above, we know isn't true.

Again, I have nothing against people who enjoy Super for what it is which I do as well but I don't see why Super's fanboys try to make the original look bad instead of asking for Super to be as good as the original.

I thought that censorship was due to different times .

One Piece airs right after Super and is just as serious and violent as its always been.

[ArchedThunder]

Who's saying that Super is flawless ?

In 53's topic there were people saying that Goku has always acted like that which we know isn't true.

Some people will say the franchise has always had bad animation and art which like the above, we know isn't true.

Again, I have nothing against people who enjoy Super for what it is which I do as well but I don't see why Super's fanboys try to make the original look bad instead of asking for Super to be as good as the original.

Neither of those are people saying the show is flawless though. It seems like you're getting mad for nothing.
Also Z wasn't exactly amazingly animated. It was typically better than Super, sure, but the animation wasn't great very often and many of the supervisors' art styles were awful. Admitting that Z wasn't an amazing looking show isn't saying Super is flawless, in fact that's admitting that Super could look a lot better if anything, they just don't expect amazing animation from Dragon Ball because of its history.

One Piece airs right after Super and is just as serious and violent as its always been.

One Piece has more blood than Super, but it's no more serious than Super and I would even say it's about as goofy as Super, if not more so.

[Avok]

Goku's clothes were shredded by the end of his fight with Beerus, Goku's clothes got more damaged in Super's F arc than in the movie and Goku and Vegeta came out of the RoSAT with shredded clothes. It hasn't happened often in Super, but I think that's more due to circumstance than anything.
We had a tiny bit of blood in two episodes of the Champa arc and a tiny bit in a recent episode, but obviously there is very little and there should be some more.
The tone gets serious when it needs to, the F arc had plenty of dark stuff, the Champa arc got serious at points and the current arc is pretty serious just with comic relief in between the dark stuff.
The Pilaf Gang is probably only there because Toriyama wants them there, I mean Toei didn't even include them in the Champa arc even though Toyotaro did.
Goku's been stabbed in the chest by Beerus and pierced by a blast from Sorbet, Tagoma had all of his joints blow out by Freeza, Gohan and Shisami has a blast shot through them by Tagoma, Gohan was basically made into swiss cheese by Freeza, Piccolo had a hole burned into his chest by Freeza, took a blast to the knee from Frost and then had a hole punched through his chest by him. That's a lot of people getting holes blown into them in a show that supposedly doesn't have that...

Super has more comic relief than Z, sure, and it certainly has a lot less blood, but the actual content of the serious moments isn't really any lighter than Z.

Do you really think those events you listed are portrayed as serious as DBZ?
I mean, I really dont wanna go back to all of those moments and make a super long post explaining their flaws, but I can't see how you think they have the same tone as the original series.
When you compare any of these with something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8211t_sZSwo the difference is quite clear.

Even the way they're shown is completely different because the different approach of both series.

[dbzfan7]

Lots of posts....oh it's just more fighting...lovely. Why there always got to be haters and apologists butting heads? It's never just "Oh you hate this, well good for you whatever." "You like this, well good for you I don't." Instead it's like some weird internet fight for the honor of a fictional tv show. "It's animation is dumb" "It's way better than that shit GT" "GT is better than this shit" "Goku is always like this you don't know the series" "Goku is really really childish more than ever before". Now some of that makes for an interesting discussion, but it all seems to fall back on fighting over the honor of a tv show in a franchise. Never really feels like varying viewpoints mixed into one bowl, but two sides trying to objectively prove one side is right.

Anyways 54 I really REALLY hope covers the process to SSJB. That should have been in the ROF arc, but I'll take it if we can get it here. Let's get maybe that fanon reasoning that gods can't participate in the ritual, so that's why no one uses it. It's a good theory. Let's see more maybe flashbacks of how Goku and Vegeta achieved the state while Vegeta trains Trunks. However I feel that since we saw that Pink Blacku without any sign of SSJB Trunks, he might not get that state at all. I'm all for SSJB Trunks as it gives us another character who can compete at the main event, as well as Vegeta already killed all specialty of god stuff for me anyways.

[VegettoEX]

"It's not you, it's those fans who _____."

Who exactly are these "fans" that you all keep setting up to shit talk?

No, really. Who are they? Name a name. Cite something.

I mean, I don't want us to devolve into actual personal shit-talking, but I'm not convinced these people exist. I think you're just making up a strawman to argue against. I think you're just looking to vent and it's easier to do so against an imaginary opponent.

If you're going to do that, fine. Just be honest with us (and yourself) about it.

[ArchedThunder]

Do you really think those events you listed are portrayed as serious as DBZ?
I mean, I really dont wanna go back to all of those moments and make a super long post explaining their flaws, but I can't see how you think they have the same tone as the original series.
When you compare any of these with something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8211t_sZSwo the difference is quite clear.

Even the way they're shown is completely different because the different approach of both series.

That list of scenes where characters getting holes blasted through them, something you said doesn't happen.