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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Grimlock » Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:13 pm

ABED wrote:I don't like Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan because it's too long and redundant. It's like the Evil League of Evil or the American Dodgeball Association of America.
Redundant? If you take out the last "Super Saiyan", you have Super Saiyan God (red hair), but when you add it to the name, you have a (Super) Saiyan God that has transformed into a Super Saiyan... It's not the same thing and both "Super Saiyan" in the name mean something different.

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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:43 pm

The title just feels like a rush job that was made to slap on to toys they had to sell at the last minute.

Having Saiyan God and Super Saiyan God as the titles for the red and blue forms respectively would have been a much better decision, but then TOEI probably didn't have the foresight of another movie when Battle of Gods was being written.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:48 pm

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ABED wrote: I don't like Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan because it's too long and redundant. It's like the Evil League of Evil or the American Dodgeball Association of America.
The adjective American can describe someone from North, Central, South America.
I don't see how that relates to my point about redundancy.
Redundant? If you take out the last "Super Saiyan", you have Super Saiyan God (red hair), but when you add it to the name, you have a (Super) Saiyan God that has transformed into a Super Saiyan... It's not the same thing and both "Super Saiyan" in the name mean something different.
It's still a ridiculously redundant name. I know what it signifies but it's silly and it doesn't make sense. It's a Super Saiyan God that's turned Super Saiyan? Of course, hence SUPER SAIYAN God.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by SSJ Human » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:46 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:
ABED wrote: I don't like Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan because it's too long and redundant. It's like the Evil League of Evil or the American Dodgeball Association of America.
The adjective American can describe someone from North, Central, South America.
That was why I liked SSGSS since you knew what they were talking about. Granted there's only one blue form so the other name works as well but it's just a personal preference.

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Post by Anime Kitten » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:51 pm

SSJ Human wrote:That was why I liked SSGSS since you knew what they were talking about. Granted there's only one blue form so the other name works as well but it's just a personal preference.
I like it mostly for the abbreviation, SSGSS. It's miles better than SSJGSSJ in my opinion.
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Post by Bansho64 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:54 pm

The Soukidan is an underrated attack move. It was so cool :)

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Post by Trickster » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:29 pm

ABED wrote:It's not a deus ex machina. They set it up, we've seen versions of it before, and fusion doesn't lead to victory directly. Also, the fusion dance takes time to learn and there are consequences to getting it wrong.
That's true. But it's still "too much 'Digimon'", for me.
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Post by ABED » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:35 pm

I never watched Digimon so I don't know what that means.
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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:29 pm

I love Digimon so I take offense to that comment. I will assume that they meant to say "Too Deus Ex Machina" which is a common complaint lodged at Digimon. I doubt its deus ex machina since its stablished before and more importantly it doesnt magically solve or fix anything.

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Post by Bansho64 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:29 pm

Dragon Ball: Mystical Adventure should've been continued as it's own story. The blended elements from the manga were presented beautifully and I honestly think it had a lot potential to be it's own universe. It's what made me like Chaozu a lot :D
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Post by ABED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:47 pm

Bansho64 wrote:Dragon Ball: Mystical Adventure should've been a continued story. The blended elements from the manga were presented beautifully and I honestly think it had a lot potential. It's what made me like Chaozu a lot :D
I don't know how else to say it, but it was. Movie 3 blended a lot of stories together. The one big change was Chaozu was an emperor. I'm not sure what you're asking for.
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Post by Bansho64 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:53 pm

ABED wrote: I don't know how else to say it, but it was. Movie 3 blended a lot of stories together. The one big change was Chaozu was an emperor. I'm not sure what you're asking for.
I felt that they gave him a bit more personality and they made his relationship with Tenshinhan more interesting to me. It's probably my favorite Dragon Ball movie. What I meant is that I felt they could've made another movie, blended stories together, and added little things the same way they did Movie 3 as a sequel. Like an adaptation. It would be cool to me if they did an alternate universe, sort of. I edited my post so it would be more clear as to what I meant.

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Post by ABED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:41 pm

I felt that they gave him a bit more personality and they made his relationship with Tenshinhan more interesting to me.
That's there in the manga and anime. Plus Chaozu has more of a personality with quirks that unfortunately go away after the 22nd Budokai, but his relationship with Tenshinhan is the same as it is in the movie. Granted he doesn't work against Chaozu like he does in the movie, but he is fearcly protective of his best friend.
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Post by Bansho64 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:44 pm

ABED wrote: That's there in the manga and anime. Plus Chaozu has more of a personality with quirks that go away after the 22nd Budokai.
To me, I felt it more in Movie 3. I'm not saying it's not in the manga or the anime. I just liked it more in that particular material.

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Post by ABED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:46 pm

Bansho64 wrote:
ABED wrote: That's there in the manga and anime. Plus Chaozu has more of a personality with quirks that go away after the 22nd Budokai.
To me, I felt it more in Movie 3. I'm not saying it's not in the manga or the anime. I just liked it more in that particular material.
Probably because it was a bigger focus in the movie.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Danfun64 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:26 pm

I'd love a fan edit of DB Movie 3 that streamlined things and focused mainly on the Tenshinhan plot. Too much stuff goes on at the same time, so it would be nice if there were less distractions and the most original/interesting part of the movie became the main point. Reduce the number of cameos (cut out the appearances of the Pilaf Gang, Korin, and Arale for example. I would have said Blue as well but his dialogue is too important), try to reduce the importance and the length of the fight between Goku and Tao Pai Pai. Paired with the japanese tracks with subs, such an edit will probably make DB Movie 3 a lot better in my eyes...
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Post by ABED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:32 pm

Danfun64 wrote:I'd love a fan edit of DB Movie 3 that streamlined things and focused mainly on the Tenshinhan plot. Too much stuff goes on at the same time, so it would be nice if there were less distractions and the most original/interesting part of the movie became the main point. Reduce the number of cameos (cut out the appearances of the Pilaf Gang, Korin, and Arale for example. I would have said Blue as well but his dialogue is too important), try to reduce the importance and the length of the fight between Goku and Tao Pai Pai. Paired with the japanese tracks with subs, such an edit will probably make DB Movie 3 a lot better in my eyes...
Arale, fine, but it's not a cluttered film and I like the short Pilaf cameo. I don't like your idea at all. Other than the random cameo of Arale, it's a short film that ties together rather nicely. What you're asking for would turn a 40 minute movie into a 20 minute short film, if that. The movie weaves together many different story arcs and gives them enough room to develop. And why would you reduce the importance of the fight between Tao Pai Pai and Goku?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Danfun64 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:44 pm

I just think DB Movie 3 is too cluttered, things go by too quickly, and too many things happen at once. IMO the pacing is horrendous. Maybe I need to rewatch it...but I still remember thinking too much happened at too quick a time. DB Movie 1 isn't overcrowded like DB Movie 3 was, but I still say everything happens way to quickly, and if I were to watch a fanedit of that movie it would be one that replaced scenes from the movie with some from the TV series to slow things down, but only where its appropriate (meeting Oolong and Yamcha for example). DB Movie 2, like the rest of the trilogy, has bad pacing at times, but of the three I think its the best, since it isn't trying to rush through adapted versions of the various manga sagas, but is mostly original. IMO, of the trilogy, DB Movie 2> DB Movie 1>DB Movie 3 in terms of pacing and breathing space. Although I take back removing Korin and possibly the Pilaf Gang's cameo, as again, those scenes affect the plot.
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Post by ABED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:16 pm

Quick, yes, but not cluttered. Other than the brevity of the fights, it moves well. I do think you need to watch it again. The problem with movie 1 wasn't things moving too quickly is that it goes from one big moment to the next without much linking them so it feels rushed. Goku and Bulma find Oolong in the woods, a chase ensues and they wind up meeting Yamcha? Movie 2 is my least favorite because it's a plodding and boring story with a villain that doesn't feel like Dragon Ball at all. The only thing I would change in movie three is meeting Karin. It's very coincidental. Other than that, I think the movie works very well. It moves quick, but not too quick that the drama doesn't land and the story doesn't make sense.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:18 am

Nozawa is awesome at doing Bardock. Gohan as a kid was very brave and handled a LOT for a child his age.

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