"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[dbs fanboy]

Too much Goku means not enough time for the rest of the cast. Dragon ball before would never have been popular if it was like Super. Every scene has Goku in it, he does all the fighting and all the speaking. He does everything, can't you see that as the worst thing in this show. It is not hard to give something for other characters to do.

Too much Goku is bad that's true, but are we forgetting about Trunks? I mean, he was the main focus of episodes 47,48 and 49.
He is the one having development, he had the same amount of fights as Goku did and in the next episode he'll be training with Vegeta.
I don't really see how is this arc the "Goku show".

Now about Black's defeat, i would love to see Goku beating him as he's my favourite and he has lost a lot of fights in Super .
But I think that it would be more interesting to see Goku, Vegeta and Trunks teaming up to beat Black/Zamasu.
Vegeta wants to avenge his son and Future Bulma, i don't think i need reasons to talk about Trunk's motivation and well, is Goku Black so it has connection with Goku (it would be interesting if Zeno aand other Gods tried to kill Goku thinking that he was Black)
Either that or make Trunks defeat Black alone after either getting stronger or giving the final shot to a weakened Black.

[SansrivaaL]

I would actually prefer Black to kick all their asses including Beerus, Goku's been way too confident lately. Have Whis or Zeno kill Black.

[buutenks]

Lol, i think some of you are expecting way to much out of super.

I never expected anything from super, nor dbz when i first saw it(nor will have). I just liked it cos people fought and the ssj forms looked cool and Goku was cool. Same in super now, lots of fighting and Goku looks cool. Its not to deep and Goku doesnt behave like he is some super hero who must banish all evil.

Its an adventure, where one can see new worlds, new characters and some nice action. So far i am loving it.

I liked the Gran Tour part of GT(lol) somewhat. Was a bit disappointing because there were no beings to truly challange Goku, plus Goku was turned into a kid...seriously who thought that would be nice? So, seeing in super how they go to new places around the universe and new beings who can challenge Goku makes me really happy.

[sintzu]

Every scene has Goku in it, he does all the fighting and all the speaking. He does everything, can't you see that as the worst thing in this show.

It is not hard to give something for other characters to do.

I fully agree with this, what I meant earlier is that it wouldn't be as bad if he was written better, it would still be bad but on a lower level.

2 of Goku's main scenes felt like they'd be Vegeta scenes but due to Goku being the main character he's the one who got them.

The 1st one was him testing Trunks, wouldn't it have made more sense for Vegeta to do that ?

The 2nd one was his fight with Black, after he killed Future Bulma and followed Trunks to kill him, wouldn't it have made more sense for Vegeta to fight him first ?

During that fight Vegeta was just watching and acting like nothing happened but in the next episode he was extremely mad about it so why didn't he do anything or act mad when Black was in front of him ?

Toriyama said Toei's staff helped him with the story so if those episode leaks are true then it looks like we might be going back to the GT days where it's all Goku 24/7.

The reason I say might is because there's a chance Goku won't have a role in the end and it'll focus on Vegeta and Trunks teaming up to take down Black.

Vegeta wants to avenge his son and Future Bulma.

Then why didn't he do anything when Black was in front of him ?

[namekiansaiyan]

Too much Goku means not enough time for the rest of the cast. Dragon ball before would never have been popular if it was like Super. Every scene has Goku in it, he does all the fighting and all the speaking. He does everything, can't you see that as the worst thing in this show. It is not hard to give something for other characters to do.

Dragon Ball was almost always like that before Piccolo Daimao, though. The first arc - Goku does most of the fighting. Red Ribbon Army - Goku does almost absolutely everything. The tournaments - always building up a confrontation between Goku and someone else.

In Super, Vegeta fights Freeza and is probably as strong as Goku, and gets to be in more fights than Goku in the tournament. In this arc, Future Trunks is the one getting all the character development and resolve, while Goku's just there for the ride. So far, at least.

I mean, it doesn't hold a candle to what the series did in the Z-era, but you can't say the original series has never been like this in some capacity.

Exacly, only the start was mainly Goku but for most the series other characters were involved. In Z he was missing at least half the time.

Too much Goku means not enough time for the rest of the cast. Dragon ball before would never have been popular if it was like Super. Every scene has Goku in it, he does all the fighting and all the speaking. He does everything, can't you see that as the worst thing in this show. It is not hard to give something for other characters to do.

Too much Goku is bad that's true, but are we forgetting about Trunks? I mean, he was the main focus of episodes 47,48 and 49.
He is the one having development, he had the same amount of fights as Goku did and in the next episode he'll be training with Vegeta.
I don't really see how is this arc the "Goku show".

Now about Black's defeat, i would love to see Goku beating him as he's my favourite and he has lost a lot of fights in Super .
But I think that it would be more interesting to see Goku, Vegeta and Trunks teaming up to beat Black/Zamasu.
Vegeta wants to avenge his son and Future Bulma, i don't think i need reasons to talk about Trunk's motivation and well, is Goku Black so it has connection with Goku (it would be interesting if Zeno aand other Gods tried to kill Goku thinking that he was Black)
Either that or make Trunks defeat Black alone after either getting stronger or giving the final shot to a weakened Black.

Trunks was just the set up for the arc, the rest seems to be about Goku 100%.

I would actually prefer Black to kick all their asses including Beerus, Goku's been way too confident lately. Have Whis or Zeno kill Black.

Yes, this would be good. I want Goku Black to develop a resistance to Saiyans so other characters have to deal with him.

[SansrivaaL]

Vegeta wants to avenge his son and Future Bulma.

Then why didn't he do anything when Black was in front of him ?

I took it as Vegeta wanted to see how strong and how Black fights first. Tho yeah maybe thats not enough of a reason why he let Goku fight Black first, I was weirded out at how he was so calm after seeing Black and lets Goku get to him first knowing how Vegeta's become pretty sensitive when it comes to his family.

[sintzu]

Why would they introduce an evil Goku, if not to give him a personal connection to Goku and make it more satisfying when they eventually fight?

Goku beating Black makes more sense than Goku beating Buu, or Goku beating Piccolo Daimao.

What personal connection ? he killed Vegeta's wife and wants to kill his son, if anyone has a connection to him it's Vegeta.

It makes more sense for Vegeta to beat him for the reasons I wrote above.

I took it as Vegeta wanted to see how strong and how Black fights first.

I'm thinking this as well but I won't believe it unless Vegeta and Trunks get the final battle with him and kill him if he's to die in this arc.

[LightBing]

Trunks was just the set up for the arc, the rest seems to be about Goku 100%.

That's not true at all, at least so far. See this thread: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=34595

This arc has been all Trunks, he moves the plot forward, he had as many fight's as Goku and appears in every episode alongside Goku, Whis and Beerus.
The next training episode, further emphasis this. Rarely does a character get a whole training episode for themselves, unless such character is very important.
He doesn't have to be even half as strong as Goku and Vegeta to matter.

[dbs fanboy]

Trunks was just the set up for the arc, the rest seems to be about Goku 100%.

And you're saying this when the next episode is going to be focused in both Trunks and Vegeta (it seems)

[MozillaVulpix]

What personal connection ? he killed Vegeta's wife and wants to kill his son, if anyone has a connection to him it's Vegeta.

It makes more sense for Vegeta to beat him for the reasons I wrote above.

I don't want to see Vegeta beat him, but that's mostly just because I personally do not care about revenge narratives and Vegeta revenge narratives. And it could also imply that Vegeta has always had this bottled-up resentment which can only be resolved by killing someone who looks sufficiently enough like Goku. Those are just incredibly personal reasons.

But Black looks like Goku and is probably using the body of Goku. Why would they do that, but not have any focus or exploration of Goku as a character because of it? There's an opportunity right in front of them, and making this "the story of Vegeta getting another kill he deserves" could squander all that.

And also I don't like Vegeta in Super, so the less of him the better for me

[namekiansaiyan]

Trunks was just the set up for the arc, the rest seems to be about Goku 100%.

That's not true at all, at least so far. See this thread: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=34595

This arc has been all Trunks, he moves the plot forward, he had as many fight's as Goku and appears in every episode alongside Goku, Whis and Beerus.
The next training episode, further emphasis this. Rarely does a character get a whole training episode for themselves, unless such character is very important.
He doesn't have to be even half as strong as Goku and Vegeta to matter.

Trunks was just the set up for the arc, the rest seems to be about Goku 100%.

And you're saying this when the next episode is going to be focused in both Trunks and Vegeta (it seems)

What is going to come out of that training session in such a small amount time.

[dbs fanboy]

What is going to come out of that training session in such a small amount time.

I don't know, but Trunks is getting stronger.
Trunks has been relevant so far without being very strong in comparison with Goku and Vegeta and your conclusion even after knowing that the next episode is going to be focused in him, is that he was just the setup of the arc and everything os going to be about Goku.
I still don't see it.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

What personal connection ? he killed Vegeta's wife and wants to kill his son, if anyone has a connection to him it's Vegeta.

Black is interested to learn more about Gokuu not Vegeta. His focus has shifted from Trunks to Gokuu that's what episode 50 implied.

Zamasu hates Gokuu not Vegeta so the connection is definitely there. Yes it isn't personal yet but in the future it might get personal who knows. I see it as a great opportunity to make Gokuu more interesting as a character.

- Travis

[Chuquita]

It still feels like "The Future Trunks arc" to me. The Gokû and Vegeta interaction/friendship from previous arcs spoiled me into thinking it'd always be that way in Super; they've barely spoken to one another or been in the same scenes together in this arc. This arc isn't about them imo, it's about Future Trunks.

I can see Gokû as a secondary protagonist in this arc to Future Trunks though. Having a villain who looks like Gokû automatically involves him more heavily.

[perucho1990]

I have the feeling someone is gonna interfere if Goku vs Black 2 happens(Zamasu most likely), then Trunks and Vegeta show up to save Goku setting up:

Goku vs Zamasu
Vegeta and Trunks vs Black

From story standpoint, these fights are the most logical.

Add a plot-twist like the U10 Hakaishin showing up out of nowhere.

[Shoryuken]

An okay episode. Animation was below average as always. Had some fun moments such as Goku once more trying to be polite, but botchering it badly i.e.
おっおっ…どうぞ喜んで戦ってくださいです、ます (Ah ah... Douzo yorokon de tatakatte kudasai desu, masu - Kindly with pleasure would you please fight me, please, sir!).
Looking forward to seeing the fight between SSB Vegeta and Trunks, sincerely hope for some better quality of animation for this though.

[namekiansaiyan]

What is going to come out of that training session in such a small amount time.

I don't know, but Trunks is getting stronger.
Trunks has been relevant so far without being very strong in comparison with Goku and Vegeta and your conclusion even after knowing that the next episode is going to be focused in him, is that he was just the setup of the arc and everything os going to be about Goku.
I still don't see it.

So basically Trunks getting stronger will be added to the list of bullshit power ups.

Vegeta also does not seem to be needed in this arc currently. We also know that Trunks training with Vegeta is not the only focus in this episode.

[SansrivaaL]

What pulls me more into believing this show will focus on Goku/Trunks/Black and Zamasu is because of the shot right before the ending of the OP song then again Mai is there but she barely had any appearance and lines, I find it weird that Vegeta isnt in the shot as well, but heck maybe Toei's keeping it a secret.

[sintzu]

An interesting way they could defeat him is by not doing it at all but instead telling Trunks that he needs to depend on himself so they'll train him on how to do that.

When Black shows up Goku or Vegeta could temporarily hold him off while Trunks does the ritual so he can fight and defeat him as a Ssjg.

I see it as a great opportunity to make Gokuu more interesting as a character.

They would have to completely change the way he's written for that to happen.

[Dbzfan94]

I don't want Goku to beat Black because frankly he's becoming unlikable in Super. His way over the top antics have gotten to the point now where I want him to get his ass beat if it means getting some resemblance of his Z self ack (or at least how he was and imho should be like in ep43)