How fast is Goku?

[Black Hawk]

But that brings up another issue I was talking about in another thread - namely that while IT (Shunkan Idou) seems to get you anywhere in the same amount of time regardless of distance, there seems to be a slight delay between the disappearance and reappearance.

While this may not be the best explanation, I'd always interpreted that slight delay, both in the manga and the anime, as something to the effect of:

Step 1: Gokū uses Shunkan Idō (Instantaneous Movement/Instant Transmission).
Step 2: The scene, if applicable, cuts back to where Gokū seeks to go, in the moments leading up to Gokū actually using Shunkan Idō, not as or after he uses it.
Step 3: Gokū is suddenly where he sought to go in the same instance in which he used Shunkan Idō.

I'll admit, though, that this doesn't exactly work for every scenario, as this theory kind of falls apart when applied to the scene in which Gohan powers up to his maximum so that Gokū and Vegeta could join the battle against Freeza. Gokū and Vegeta didn't appear until after Gohan had used up all his power and Freeza fired his Death Beam at Gohan.

[Captain Strawberry]

Goku's body was unaffected by time because of his sheer speed of Bluper x10

[dragonballer]

i just remebered,how would majin buu be a treat to the universe if he isn't FTL?

[gregclark44]

Goku is well beyond speed of light especially since hit's time stop ability, beerus went directly to another planet in under 5 second while whis transcend from Earth ( which location is near the end of the universe) towards the center of both universe 6 & 7 plus recently in episode 53 travels to universe 10 ( distant between the two is extremely huge).

[Polyphase Avatron]

I'm not sure that conventional notions of distance apply when you're talking about different universes.

[gregclark44]

I'm not sure that conventional notions of distance apply when you're talking about different universes.

Considering the distance of different universes does apply when highlightning character's particular speed (similar to silver surfer flying from one galaxy to another within a second which place his overall speed above the speed of light).

[Polyphase Avatron]

Galaxies are separated by actual physical distance. Universes aren't because they are sets of spacetime themselves. You can't measure the physical distance from one universe to another because you can't leave a universe by just travelling in 3 dimensions. You'll only end up back where you started. You have to go through higher dimensions to travel to another universe. So it really doesn't have anything to do with speed. If you say that Whis can travel from one part of the universe to another, that's a distance that can actually be measured, and correlates to speed. But travelling to an entirely different universe can't be measured like that; rather it means that he can travel through dimensions.

[gregclark44]

Galaxies are separated by actual physical distance. Universes aren't because they are sets of spacetime themselves. You can't measure the physical distance from one universe to another because you can't leave a universe by just travelling in 3 dimensions. You'll only end up back where you started. You have to go through higher dimensions to travel to another universe. So it really doesn't have anything to do with speed. If you say that Whis can travel from one part of the universe to another, that's a distance that can actually be measured, and correlates to speed. But travelling to an entirely different universe can't be measured like that; rather it means that he can travel through dimensions.

I guess these excuses only apply towards DB while other series gets a pass.

[Speedster]

Galaxies are separated by actual physical distance. Universes aren't because they are sets of spacetime themselves. You can't measure the physical distance from one universe to another because you can't leave a universe by just travelling in 3 dimensions. You'll only end up back where you started. You have to go through higher dimensions to travel to another universe. So it really doesn't have anything to do with speed. If you say that Whis can travel from one part of the universe to another, that's a distance that can actually be measured, and correlates to speed. But travelling to an entirely different universe can't be measured like that; rather it means that he can travel through dimensions.

No. A fourth spatial dimension is orthogonal to the other 3 much like the ‘conventional’ three are orthogonal to each other. And just because humans cannot perceive more than 3 dimensions it doesn’t mean that basic geometric terms like distance between 2 points change or lose their meaning. In any case the entire multiverse can be visualised as a loaf of bread and individual universes can be visualised like 3D slices of this bread. Moving across universes in the 4th dimension is therefore like moving perpendicular to the slices across the length of the loaf of bread. So yeah, there IS distance to be travelled in pretty much the conventional sense. We just don't know the distance between those universes in Dragonball. It is worth noting that theories like the string/M theory predict an incredibly small distance between parallel branes (1.6*10^-35m) – yet again there are 10^500 different branes instead of 12 like in Dragonball.

[Cipher]

Base 160 speed.

Insanely fast. Run Naive on a mixed set so you can at least speed tie in mirror matches.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Galaxies are separated by actual physical distance. Universes aren't because they are sets of spacetime themselves. You can't measure the physical distance from one universe to another because you can't leave a universe by just travelling in 3 dimensions. You'll only end up back where you started. You have to go through higher dimensions to travel to another universe. So it really doesn't have anything to do with speed. If you say that Whis can travel from one part of the universe to another, that's a distance that can actually be measured, and correlates to speed. But travelling to an entirely different universe can't be measured like that; rather it means that he can travel through dimensions.

I guess these excuses only apply towards DB while other series gets a pass.

I don't know what you're talking about. I've never heard of anyone successfully measuring distances that aren't distances, like between dimensions.

No. A fourth spatial dimension is orthogonal to the other 3 much like the ‘conventional’ three are orthogonal to each other. And just because humans cannot perceive more than 3 dimensions it doesn’t mean that basic geometric terms like distance between 2 points change or lose their meaning. In any case the entire multiverse can be visualised as a loaf of bread and individual universes can be visualised like 3D slices of this bread. Moving across universes in the 4th dimension is therefore like moving perpendicular to the slices across the length of the loaf of bread. So yeah, there IS distance to be travelled in pretty much the conventional sense. We just don't know the distance between those universes in Dragonball. It is worth noting that theories like the string/M theory predict an incredibly small distance between parallel branes (1.6*10^-35m) – yet again there are 10^500 different branes instead of 12 like in Dragonball.

But we don't know how the universes are arranged here, so the distance could be anywhere from a single Planck length to some enormous amount. That was my point, that we can't measure it.

[shaun2306]

Goku has been mftlspeed in combat since Freeza saga, Manga has proven and shown it. Snakeway is travel speed not combat speed. Manga is consistent actually. Stop spreading lies and bullshit in saying they arent mftlspeed in combat. Travel speed isnt same as combat speed. By your logic bolt solos Bruce Lee then.
Ki blasts increases speed and power when the characters get stronger and faster. Akira did say db universe is same as our universe and db moon is same as our moon. Showing different angles of both pictures prove nothing. Dbz characters know if the characters are lying or making shit up they call it out thus Manga even proved it.
If you read the Manga you would know goku is MFTL speed in combat since Freeza saga. Manga states legend says it one million that not a fact it's a myth.

You do not need to be light speed or faster than light speed to dodge attacks that are at light speed of faster then light speed though. You just need to be able to react faster than the attack. I've talked about this before but say the attack was travelling at 30 metres per second and the attack is as wide as 1 metre. If Goku was at a distance of 60 metres and he could only move at 1 metre a second he would have more than an ample amount of time to sidestep the attack. The attack takes 2 seconds to reach him and assuming that the attack was directly aimed at him he would only need to move half a metre. So in less than a second he would be out of harms way.

LOL Just stop dude, go read the manga plz

[shaun2306]

i have them millions of times faster than light honestly. If you power scale it's feasible especially with ssj forms and being able to make your self go faster.

but we need to remember there are 2 types of speed

travel speed and combat speed

for travel speed i have them at the speed of light or so.

For combat speed i have them much much much faster than that, obviously using power scaling and ssj forms and other strength factors.

we have to remember that the fights are written from a characters perspective meaning time for them is slower than what the average human sees. If fights were written from our perspective then every page would be a bunch of scribbles indicating movement has taken place.

thank you

[shaun2306]

Goku is well beyond speed of light especially since hit's time stop ability, beerus went directly to another planet in under 5 second while whis transcend from Earth ( which location is near the end of the universe) towards the center of both universe 6 & 7 plus recently in episode 53 travels to universe 10 ( distant between the two is extremely huge).

goku has been massively ftl in combat since dragonball, plz read the manga of db,dbz. hit is aslo massively ftl

[shaun2306]

The series is inconsistent. The audience couldn't see Roshi and Krillin, yet years later, they could follow Super Saiyan Goten and Trunks.

Honestly, if I were you, I wouldn't even bother. It'll just give you a headache.

ok first of all everything is slowed down for us to see and enjoy the show
2. if they show fighting always invisible it ould be boring as fuck thus why they show us the fight.
3. manga infact shows the fight (mostly) then the anime does

[shaun2306]

I'm not seeing any evidence that anyone short of Whis and Beerus is faster than light. Otherwise they wouldn't need spaceships and teleportation to travel to other planets.

LOL you realize traveling to planet to planet is travel speed plz know the difference in travel speed and combat speed.
db characters have been massivley FTl in combat since dragonball and travel speed doesnt mean shit.

[shaun2306]

stop lowballing goku speed i debated lowaballers like you many times

[Polyphase Avatron]

I'm not seeing any evidence that anyone short of Whis and Beerus is faster than light. Otherwise they wouldn't need spaceships and teleportation to travel to other planets.

LOL you realize traveling to planet to planet is travel speed plz know the difference in travel speed and combat speed.
db characters have been massivley FTl in combat since dragonball and travel speed doesnt mean shit.

Technically there is no difference. Speed is speed. The other factor involved is reaction time, and that usually correlates with speed.

At the speed of light it would take only about 0.13 seconds to circle the Earth. We've never seen that kind of speed pre-Super. The scene that really reinforces this is when Goku first demonstrates Shunkan Idou, and everyone is amazed that he was able to grab Roshi's glasses in a second or two, with his house being thousands of km away.

Of course, with a series like this, there are a bunch of inconsistencies, so you could take some scenes from very early in the series and come to the conclusion that they are lightspeed. But on the flip side, you can take scenes from much later in the series (as far as the Tournament of Power) and come to the conclusion that they are slower than sound speed (like Anilaza tracking them by sound).

IMO it makes the most sense to stick with what is most consistently established by the narrative, which seems to be that characters of SSJG tier and above are faster than light.

[Hugo Boss]

IMO it makes the most sense to stick with what is most consistently established by the narrative, which seems to be that characters of SSJG tier and above are faster than light.

Dyspo can also track Hit and SSGod Goku by sound, so they are probably at that level too. His full power being called “Light Speed Mode” can also be an indication that Dyspo can literally move at light speed level, which is too much for Freeza and Gohan to keep up.

[The Monkey King]

IMO it makes the most sense to stick with what is most consistently established by the narrative, which seems to be that characters of SSJG tier and above are faster than light.

Dyspo can also track Hit and SSGod Goku by sound, so they are probably at that level too. His full power being called “Light Speed Mode” can also be an indication that Dyspo can literally move at light speed level, which is too much for Freeza and Gohan to keep up.

SSJG Goku being slower than the speed of sound contradicts every stated/quantifiable speed feat in all of Dragon Ball history, they'd be slower than Tao Pai Pai and not even be able to dodge bullets like DB low tiers

Also Toppo stated Dyspo long since surpassed light speed, before his 'light-speed mode' was even introduced, that form boosts his speed by thousands of times according to Dyspo

At anyrate, Kamicollo got it right years ago, you can't have a solid stance on stuff like this in Dragon Ball because other instances flat out contradict themselves

The series is inconsistent. The audience couldn't see Roshi and Krillin, yet years later, they could follow Super Saiyan Goten and Trunks.

Honestly, if I were you, I wouldn't even bother. It'll just give you a headache.